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  1. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

    * Jim Richardson fired off this tart reply:

    > yeah, too bad the temp increases were not correlating with the C02
    > increases. Instead, temp leads C02 increases, rather than the following.


    So what? That in no way rules out carbon dioxide's properties as a
    greenhouse gas, and certainly doesn't give us the go-ahead to keep
    dumping it into the air unchecked.

    >> Where do you get this "1/3%" number? It's more like 25%.

    >
    > 25% of what? Atmos C02 levels are at about 0.03% of the air. Of that,
    > far less that 25% is "man made"
    >
    > - From Wikipedia
    >
    >
    > Thus, the human civilization is still not a global factor in the carbon
    > cycle currently producing per year about 1/75 = 1.3 % of atmospheric
    > carbon dioxide, while only near 0.025 % of the amount in the ocean.
    >


    Oh, I thought you were talking about the temperature change.

    Still, 1.3% isn't 1/3%

    > Agreed, and both are far greater swings than even the most idiotic of
    > the AGW crowd make. Yet they occured "naturally". Looking at a
    > temperature chart and saying "look! man did it!" is bad science.


    Well, as I've said, I don't care what any "crowd" said. I more
    interested in the scientific readings.

    > Exactly, Which is why Kyoto was bull**** and everyone knew it, and why
    > crippling ourselves is a bad idea. Conserve? yes, take calculated
    > rational steps ? yes, chicken little? no.


    As a member of the most resource-intensive society on Earth, I'm still
    inclined toward the Kyoto view.

    --
    Tux rox!

  2. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

    * chrisv fired off this tart reply:

    > Linonut wrote:
    >
    >>* William Poaster fired off this tart reply:
    >>
    >>> chrisv wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> amicus_curious wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>"Linonut" wrote in message
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> As chrisv notes, you can be a real piece of ****.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>Vis'-a-vis' chrisv, that can happen to anyone.
    >>>>
    >>>> Only if it's well-deserved.
    >>>
    >>> As far as amicus_curious aka billwg aka Bill Weisgerber, it is *well* deserved.

    >>
    >>He's one of those wankers that gets his jollies by keeping the
    >>"conversation" going as long as possible, by irritating you with his
    >>always getting in the last word.

    >
    > Worse yet, he's a genuinely bad person, or at least plays one on
    > USENET. Someone has to be more than just a run-of-the-mill troll or
    > idiot to get me to use the rather-severe "POS" epitaph - they have to
    > show genuine immorality.


    He reminds me of this guy:

    http://cortopolis.spaces.live.com/Pe...berprofiletile

    who is the subject of this:

    http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic....51018035144954

    A Microsoft employee, Cort Fritz, wrote what he later apologetically
    described as a "low quality and low tone" blog entry in reply, in
    which he called Doctorow some unbelievably unpleasant names, such as
    "liar" and "Communist".

    . . .

    The employee is not a worker bee, by the way. This page says he is
    "lead Architect Evangelist for Microsoft's Media and Entertainment
    group". There are no readers on Groklaw who can hold a candle to his
    display of overbearing, nasty, and inappropriate ad hominem language.

    --
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  3. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

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    On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:32:50 -0500,
    Linonut wrote:
    > * Jim Richardson fired off this tart reply:
    >
    >> yeah, too bad the temp increases were not correlating with the C02
    >> increases. Instead, temp leads C02 increases, rather than the following.

    >
    > So what? That in no way rules out carbon dioxide's properties as a
    > greenhouse gas, and certainly doesn't give us the go-ahead to keep
    > dumping it into the air unchecked.


    If the costs of reducing anthropogenic production of GG (esp C02) were
    Zero, then there'd be no debate about it. But it isn't. The cost is
    huge, and worse for emerging economies like India and China, but plenty
    bad for us too. So, the question remains, is the cake worth the candle?
    What are the costs associated with AGW and what evidence do we have to
    show that reducing the C02 production we have, will benefit us? It is in
    these areas that the AGW crowd is failing.

    The salient questions are:

    Does anthropogenic sources contribute to a change in climate, and if so,
    how much?

    What reduction in climate change is desirable, how much of a reduction
    in anthropogenic sources is required to meet that reduction in climate
    change, and how much will it cost. (and the cost isn't just in $$, it's
    also measured in lives, and lost economic growth)

    >
    >>> Where do you get this "1/3%" number? It's more like 25%.

    >>
    >> 25% of what? Atmos C02 levels are at about 0.03% of the air. Of that,
    >> far less that 25% is "man made"
    >>
    >> - From Wikipedia
    >>
    >>
    >> Thus, the human civilization is still not a global factor in the carbon
    >> cycle currently producing per year about 1/75 = 1.3 % of atmospheric
    >> carbon dioxide, while only near 0.025 % of the amount in the ocean.
    >>

    >
    > Oh, I thought you were talking about the temperature change.
    >
    > Still, 1.3% isn't 1/3%
    >


    agreed. and even less that 1/3% when you look at the global carbon
    cycle. A damn site closer to 1/3% than it is to 25%

    >> Agreed, and both are far greater swings than even the most idiotic of
    >> the AGW crowd make. Yet they occured "naturally". Looking at a
    >> temperature chart and saying "look! man did it!" is bad science.

    >
    > Well, as I've said, I don't care what any "crowd" said. I more
    > interested in the scientific readings.
    >


    Agreed, science deals in facts, and numbers, not consensus, and not
    opinion. Science can, and is often, wrong, but that is a different
    issue.

    >> Exactly, Which is why Kyoto was bull**** and everyone knew it, and why
    >> crippling ourselves is a bad idea. Conserve? yes, take calculated
    >> rational steps ? yes, chicken little? no.

    >
    > As a member of the most resource-intensive society on Earth, I'm still
    > inclined toward the Kyoto view.
    >



    Why? when even the supporters of Kyoto admit that it won't do anything
    to reduce AGW even if AGW were a proven scientific hypothesis, which it
    isn't.

    Since Kyoto exempts the places like China, India, And other rapidly
    expanding economies, it's ****ing useless.


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  4. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

    * Jim Richardson fired off this tart reply:

    > Why? when even the supporters of Kyoto admit that it won't do anything
    > to reduce AGW even if AGW were a proven scientific hypothesis, which it
    > isn't.


    Ach. Scientific hypotheses are never "proven". The evidence simply
    becomes ponderous.

    > Since Kyoto exempts the places like China, India, And other rapidly
    > expanding economies, it's ****ing useless.


    Sounds like it.

    On the other hand, I don't think the U.S. helps much by keeping out of
    it.

    --
    Tux rox!

  5. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

    Hadron wrote:

    > Kier writes:
    >
    >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:25:04 +0100, Hadron wrote:
    >>
    >>> Kier writes:
    >>>
    >>>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:46:29 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> ____/ Kier on Sunday 25 November 2007 13:05 : \____
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:00:10 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> It never ceases to amaze me how many people blindly accept, defend
    >>>>>>> and even encourage some of the most broken, corrupt, and unethical
    >>>>>>> things that we have ruining our **world** (not just the human race,
    >>>>>>> aka "society"). And you know
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I'm not defending it. Please stop putting words in my mouth, Roy. Of
    >>>>>> course it's bad and should be stopped. Just not by the methods
    >>>>>> described in the original post, which helps no one.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Sorry, Kier, if I misinterpreted or misrepresented. I wasn't my
    >>>>> intention.
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks, Roy. Apology accepted :-)
    >>>
    >>> Oh boy....

    >>
    >> You're a real prick, aren't you? Roy has the decency to apologise, and
    >> all you can do is sneer because I have the manners to thank him.
    >>
    >> And somehow, you're supposed to be superior to all of us?

    >
    > You seem to think I think I am superior. And yet William Poaster
    > boastnig about his filters and how it "all works for him" isn't? Chrisv
    > calling people "****wits" and *plonk*ing them isn't? Roy telling us all
    > how we should recognise how MS are evil isn't? Peter calling people
    > "Dumb **** Windows Users" isn't?
    >
    > You need to recalibrate your paranoia meter. Remember the "COLA
    > advocates" all think you are a troll too.
    >


    Actually, no, they do not *all* think he is a troll.
    In fact, nobody thought that Kier is a troll.
    His only misdemeanor had been to /entertain/ other trolls

    Seems that the famous "Hadron Quark reading comprehension meter" has to be
    calibrated once again. To an all time low
    --
    Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
    -- Henry Spencer


  6. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

    ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Monday 26 November 2007 17:11 : \____

    > Hadron wrote:
    >
    >> Kier writes:
    >>
    >>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:46:29 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> ____/ Kier on Sunday 25 November 2007 13:05 : \____
    >>>>
    >>>>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:00:10 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> It never ceases to amaze me how many people blindly accept, defend and
    >>>>>> even encourage some of the most broken, corrupt, and unethical things
    >>>>>> that we have ruining our **world** (not just the human race, aka
    >>>>>> "society"). And you know
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I'm not defending it. Please stop putting words in my mouth, Roy. Of
    >>>>> course it's bad and should be stopped. Just not by the methods
    >>>>> described in the original post, which helps no one.
    >>>>
    >>>> Sorry, Kier, if I misinterpreted or misrepresented. I wasn't my
    >>>> intention.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks, Roy. Apology accepted :-)

    >>
    >> Oh boy....

    >
    > Yes, Hadron, you see actions of people you will never understand.
    > People who apologize, and who accept apologies.
    >
    > *That* is something you will never be able to do


    Trolls like Hadron want to see people who argue and fight. If he had pet dogs,
    he'd probably abuse them do little tournaments (encouragement) to see them
    fight or at least bark at one another. I can't imagine him having a healthy
    marriage either and I feel bad for his children (if he has/will have any).

    --
    ~~ Best of wishes

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  7. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

    ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Monday 26 November 2007 18:19 : \____

    > chrisv wrote:
    >
    >> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
    >>
    >>>Hadron snotted:
    >>>>
    >>>> Almost certainly that nutter "Oldtech" again. Waving his Ubuntu CDs
    >>>> around in Shopping malls. "Linux processes are 50000 time faster than
    >>>> Windows. Where does COLA get them from?!?!?!?
    >>>
    >>>Another fine "true linux advocacy post" from the
    >>>"true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert",
    >>>"X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger
    >>>professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven" and "time
    >>>coordinator" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian
    >>>O'Leary

    >>
    >> Hehe. Getting to be quite a list.

    >
    > Well, at some time in the future one has to massivly shorten that list. To
    > the things Hadron actually knows something about.
    > Problem with that approach is: Until now he hasn't yet revealed what exactly
    > those things might be
    >
    > Instead he used a new nym ("Richard") in the Ubuntu group


    Heh. So he essentially ruined the word 'Hadron' and puts a new gown on.

    --
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  8. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

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    On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:21:14 -0500,
    Linonut wrote:
    > * Jim Richardson fired off this tart reply:
    >
    >> Why? when even the supporters of Kyoto admit that it won't do anything
    >> to reduce AGW even if AGW were a proven scientific hypothesis, which it
    >> isn't.

    >
    > Ach. Scientific hypotheses are never "proven". The evidence simply
    > becomes ponderous.
    >


    they can certainly be *dis* proven.

    >> Since Kyoto exempts the places like China, India, And other rapidly
    >> expanding economies, it's ****ing useless.

    >
    > Sounds like it.
    >
    > On the other hand, I don't think the U.S. helps much by keeping out of
    > it.
    >



    Doesn't matter either way, it's bull****.

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  9. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

    chrisv writes:

    > Peter Köhlmann wrote:
    >
    >>Hadron snotted:
    >>>
    >>> Almost certainly that nutter "Oldtech" again. Waving his Ubuntu CDs
    >>> around in Shopping malls. "Linux processes are 50000 time faster than
    >>> Windows. Where does COLA get them from?!?!?!?

    >>
    >>Another fine "true linux advocacy post" from the
    >>"true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X
    >>specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger
    >>professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven" and "time
    >>coordinator" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian
    >>O'Leary

    >
    > Hehe. Getting to be quite a list.
    >


    I am still as bemused as some others as to Peter's sanity. I have no
    idea who these people are. Unless it's Peter himself nym shifting to add
    weight to his flimsy opinions.

    --
    BOFH excuse #189:

    SCSI's too wide.

  10. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

    Hadron wrote:

    > chrisv writes:
    >
    >> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
    >>
    >>>Hadron snotted:
    >>>>
    >>>> Almost certainly that nutter "Oldtech" again. Waving his Ubuntu CDs
    >>>> around in Shopping malls. "Linux processes are 50000 time faster than
    >>>> Windows. Where does COLA get them from?!?!?!?
    >>>
    >>>Another fine "true linux advocacy post" from the
    >>>"true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert",
    >>>"X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger
    >>>professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven" and "time
    >>>coordinator" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian
    >>>O'Leary

    >>
    >> Hehe. Getting to be quite a list.
    >>

    >
    > I am still as bemused as some others as to Peter's sanity. I have no
    > idea who these people are.


    Ah, the "flatfish defense". How original

    > Unless it's Peter himself nym shifting to add
    > weight to his flimsy opinions.
    >


    Certainly, Hadron, certainly

    Idiot
    --
    The PROPER way to handle HTML postings is to cancel the article, then
    hire a hitman to kill the poster, his wife and kids, and **** his dog and
    smash his computer into little bits. Anything more is just extremism.


  11. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

    Peter Köhlmann wrote:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >
    >> chrisv writes:
    >>
    >>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Hadron snotted:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Almost certainly that nutter "Oldtech" again. Waving his Ubuntu CDs
    >>>>> around in Shopping malls. "Linux processes are 50000 time faster than
    >>>>> Windows. Where does COLA get them from?!?!?!?
    >>>>
    >>>>Another fine "true linux advocacy post" from the
    >>>>"true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert",
    >>>>"X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger
    >>>>professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven" and "time
    >>>>coordinator" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian
    >>>>O'Leary
    >>>
    >>> Hehe. Getting to be quite a list.
    >>>

    >>
    >> I am still as bemused as some others as to Peter's sanity. I have no
    >> idea who these people are.

    >
    > Ah, the "flatfish defense". How original
    >
    >> Unless it's Peter himself nym shifting to add
    >> weight to his flimsy opinions.
    >>

    >
    > Certainly, Hadron, certainly


    OOps! Careful now, you'll have the moron mistaking sarcasm for a confession!

    > Idiot


    "Idiots 'r Us" are on line 1, protesting about associating him with them, &
    giving them a bad name...

    --
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    Testing: FreeBSD 7.0-BETA 3
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    Debian 4.0, PCLinuxOS 2007.

  12. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

    On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:30:13 +0100, Hadron wrote:

    > Kier writes:
    >
    >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:25:04 +0100, Hadron wrote:
    >>
    >>> Kier writes:
    >>>
    >>>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:46:29 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> ____/ Kier on Sunday 25 November 2007 13:05 : \____
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:00:10 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> It never ceases to amaze me how many people blindly accept, defend and even
    >>>>>>> encourage some of the most broken, corrupt, and unethical things that we
    >>>>>>> have ruining our **world** (not just the human race, aka "society"). And you
    >>>>>>> know
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I'm not defending it. Please stop putting words in my mouth, Roy. Of
    >>>>>> course it's bad and should be stopped. Just not by the methods described
    >>>>>> in the original post, which helps no one.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Sorry, Kier, if I misinterpreted or misrepresented. I wasn't my intention.
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks, Roy. Apology accepted :-)
    >>>
    >>> Oh boy....

    >>
    >> You're a real prick, aren't you? Roy has the decency to apologise, and all
    >> you can do is sneer because I have the manners to thank him.
    >>
    >> And somehow, you're supposed to be superior to all of us?

    >
    > You seem to think I think I am superior. And yet William Poaster


    No, I don't. Far from it. But the way you lord it about in here,
    proclaiming how inferior we're all supposed to be suggests you think
    you're better than we are.

    > boastnig about his filters and how it "all works for him" isn't? Chrisv


    What does that have to do with my having manners enough to thank someone
    when he apologises to me?

    > calling people "****wits" and *plonk*ing them isn't? Roy telling us all
    > how we should recognise how MS are evil isn't? Peter calling people
    > "Dumb **** Windows Users" isn't?


    Show me where I ever agreed with chrisv. I've disagreed with Roy's
    attitudes on many occasions, and with Peter.

    >
    > You need to recalibrate your paranoia meter. Remember the "COLA
    > advocates" all think you are a troll too.


    I am not paranoid, so you assertion is foolish. And not all the advocates
    think any such thing about me. And you're still a prick for sneering.

    --
    Kier


  13. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

    Kier writes:

    > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:30:13 +0100, Hadron wrote:
    >
    >> Kier writes:
    >>
    >>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:25:04 +0100, Hadron wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Kier writes:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:46:29 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> ____/ Kier on Sunday 25 November 2007 13:05 : \____
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:00:10 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> It never ceases to amaze me how many people blindly accept, defend and even
    >>>>>>>> encourage some of the most broken, corrupt, and unethical things that we
    >>>>>>>> have ruining our **world** (not just the human race, aka "society"). And you
    >>>>>>>> know
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I'm not defending it. Please stop putting words in my mouth, Roy. Of
    >>>>>>> course it's bad and should be stopped. Just not by the methods described
    >>>>>>> in the original post, which helps no one.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Sorry, Kier, if I misinterpreted or misrepresented. I wasn't my intention.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Thanks, Roy. Apology accepted :-)
    >>>>
    >>>> Oh boy....
    >>>
    >>> You're a real prick, aren't you? Roy has the decency to apologise, and all
    >>> you can do is sneer because I have the manners to thank him.
    >>>
    >>> And somehow, you're supposed to be superior to all of us?

    >>
    >> You seem to think I think I am superior. And yet William Poaster

    >
    > No, I don't. Far from it. But the way you lord it about in here,
    > proclaiming how inferior we're all supposed to be suggests you think
    > you're better than we are.


    Kier, you seem to think I am. You keep repeating that. But I will let
    you into a little secret. I do think I know more about SW than a lot of
    the "advocates here". Just a little mind you.

    >
    >> boastnig about his filters and how it "all works for him" isn't? Chrisv

    >
    > What does that have to do with my having manners enough to thank someone
    > when he apologises to me?


    Because Roy's apologies was as shallow as 7s IQ.

    >
    >> calling people "****wits" and *plonk*ing them isn't? Roy telling us all
    >> how we should recognise how MS are evil isn't? Peter calling people
    >> "Dumb **** Windows Users" isn't?

    >
    > Show me where I ever agreed with chrisv. I've disagreed with Roy's
    > attitudes on many occasions, and with Peter.


    Quite the little loner aren't you?

    >
    >>
    >> You need to recalibrate your paranoia meter. Remember the "COLA
    >> advocates" all think you are a troll too.

    >
    > I am not paranoid, so you assertion is foolish. And not all the advocates
    > think any such thing about me. And you're still a prick for sneering.


    I'm not sneering. I am laughing. There is a big difference.


    --
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  14. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

    On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:29:02 +0100, Hadron wrote:

    > Kier writes:
    >
    >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:30:13 +0100, Hadron wrote:
    >>
    >>> Kier writes:
    >>>
    >>>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:25:04 +0100, Hadron wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Kier writes:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:46:29 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> ____/ Kier on Sunday 25 November 2007 13:05 : \____
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:00:10 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> It never ceases to amaze me how many people blindly accept, defend and even
    >>>>>>>>> encourage some of the most broken, corrupt, and unethical things that we
    >>>>>>>>> have ruining our **world** (not just the human race, aka "society"). And you
    >>>>>>>>> know
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I'm not defending it. Please stop putting words in my mouth, Roy. Of
    >>>>>>>> course it's bad and should be stopped. Just not by the methods described
    >>>>>>>> in the original post, which helps no one.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Sorry, Kier, if I misinterpreted or misrepresented. I wasn't my intention.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Thanks, Roy. Apology accepted :-)
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Oh boy....
    >>>>
    >>>> You're a real prick, aren't you? Roy has the decency to apologise, and all
    >>>> you can do is sneer because I have the manners to thank him.
    >>>>
    >>>> And somehow, you're supposed to be superior to all of us?
    >>>
    >>> You seem to think I think I am superior. And yet William Poaster

    >>
    >> No, I don't. Far from it. But the way you lord it about in here,
    >> proclaiming how inferior we're all supposed to be suggests you think
    >> you're better than we are.

    >
    > Kier, you seem to think I am. You keep repeating that. But I will let


    Wrong again. *YOU* think you are. I think you're dickhead.

    > you into a little secret. I do think I know more about SW than a lot of
    > the "advocates here". Just a little mind you.


    So what? By the standards of some advocates here, you are dumber than a
    stump.

    >
    >>
    >>> boastnig about his filters and how it "all works for him" isn't? Chrisv

    >>
    >> What does that have to do with my having manners enough to thank someone
    >> when he apologises to me?

    >
    > Because Roy's apologies was as shallow as 7s IQ.


    At least he made one. That's more than you can do.

    >
    >>
    >>> calling people "****wits" and *plonk*ing them isn't? Roy telling us all
    >>> how we should recognise how MS are evil isn't? Peter calling people
    >>> "Dumb **** Windows Users" isn't?

    >>
    >> Show me where I ever agreed with chrisv. I've disagreed with Roy's
    >> attitudes on many occasions, and with Peter.

    >
    > Quite the little loner aren't you?


    Are you cracked? You accuse me of ignoring other posters bad behaviour, I
    point out I have many times disagreed with said bad behaviour, and you
    make a stupid remark about me. HOw does that make you smart in any way?

    >
    >>
    >>>
    >>> You need to recalibrate your paranoia meter. Remember the "COLA
    >>> advocates" all think you are a troll too.

    >>
    >> I am not paranoid, so you assertion is foolish. And not all the advocates
    >> think any such thing about me. And you're still a prick for sneering.

    >
    > I'm not sneering. I am laughing. There is a big difference.


    See, there you go again acting like you think you're soooo superior. Which
    you are not. Just a sneering prick.

    --
    Kier


  15. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

    Kier wrote regarding "Hadron" Quirk:

    >I think you're dickhead.


    >you are dumber than a stump.


    >Just a sneering prick.


    See? We *do* agree on *some* things, Kier.


  16. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista


    "Linonut" wrote in message
    news:0oq2j.2841$k27.1245@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
    >* amicus_curious fired off this tart reply:
    >
    >>> You are as honest as a Tammany politician.
    >>>

    >> More hand-waving, obviously. Any case on point?

    >
    > No, from past experience, I've found you aren't worth the effort.
    >

    "No" says it all, of course. You don't need to go on and on with any
    excuse. If you have nothing just say it.


  17. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

    Kier wrote:

    >Show me where I ever agreed with chrisv.


    Kier may not be aware of the fact that he and I agree on many issues.

    We just don't like each other's methods.


  18. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

    On Nov 20, 12:20 pm, "amicus_curious" wrote:
    > wrote in message
    >
    > news:ec365bd0-f901-4b24-9b48-1c8ed40b90c1@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
    >
    > >
    > > The majority of IT professionals worry that migrating to Windows Vista
    > > will make their networks less stable and more complex, according to a
    > > new survey....

    >
    > > The survey, echoing one from Forrester last week, shows most IT
    > > professionals are worried about Vista and that 44% have considered non-
    > > Windows operating systems, such as Linux and Macintosh, to avoid the
    > > Microsoft migration.
    > >

    >
    > >http://www.computerworlduk.com/manag...e/applications...

    >
    > There is always a faint hope glimmering in the minds of the Linux faithful
    > and they take great comfort from the thought that Mr. Softee has indeed
    > screwed the pooch with Vista, but, at the end of the day on the way to the
    > bank, MS is richer and richer and Internet click-through stats show next to
    > no use of Linux clients and conventional market surveys show Linux in 4th
    > place behind Windows, Unix, and IBM mainframe OS as the choice of those who
    > actually pay for anything. In short, Linux is still losing badly regardless
    > of how many Linux fans you survey.


    What happens though when M$'s riches fail it?

  19. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

    On Nov 20, 4:31 pm, "amicus_curious" wrote:
    > "chrisv" wrote in message
    >
    > news:kgf6k35s76ftmbkgcpavdjuu90001hepp2@4ax.com...> amicus_curious wrote:
    >
    > >>MS is richer

    >
    > > We know that M$ market power assures them steady income, you slimey
    > > POS. All the more ironic that the crapware they produce is inferior
    > > to that produced by what lying assholes like you call "amateurs".

    >
    > So you actually agree with me that Linux is a loser? Nevermind if the game
    > is fair or not, it is the winning and the losing that matters, eh?


    Nonononono he's saying that Microsoft software is crap. Which
    a lot of it seems to be.

  20. Re: Microsoft struggling to convince about Vista

    On Nov 21, 6:35 am, chrisv wrote:
    > amicus_curious wrote:
    > >"chrisv" wrot:

    >
    > >> We know that M$ market power assures them steady income, you slimey
    > >> POS. All the more ironic that the crapware they produce is inferior
    > >> to that produced by what lying assholes like you call "amateurs".

    >
    > >So you actually agree with me that Linux is a loser?

    >
    > Not unless your name is "Linux", loser.
    >
    > >Nevermind if the game
    > >is fair or not, it is the winning and the losing that matters, eh?

    >
    > For greedy, immoral scum, like you and your masters? Of course!


    Complaining about someone being immoral and using words
    like "a**holes"???

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