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  1. Yell if Microsoft's Live.com Spammed You Too


    ....this post presents evidence indicating that Microsoft is spamming
    websites. A big claim, I know, but I can't find a better explanation.
    You'll have to decide.

    The summary: IP addresses belonging to Microsoft are requesting pages
    from eKstreme.com and blogSci.com (my science blog) with HTTP referer
    headers suggesting that the hits were from live.com searches. These
    referer headers are spoofed as the keywords from these supposed
    searches are sometimes in no way related to the requested page.
    Additionally, for most of the other supposed searches, the requested
    pages do not rank in the top 10 (first page of results) in a way to
    send this traffic.


    http://ekstreme.com/thingsofsorts/bl...ammed-you-too/


  2. Re: Yell if Microsoft's Live.com Spammed You Too

    ____/ nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu on Wednesday 14 November 2007 22:47 : \____

    >
    > ...this post presents evidence indicating that Microsoft is spamming
    > websites. A big claim, I know, but I can't find a better explanation.
    > You'll have to decide.
    >
    > The summary: IP addresses belonging to Microsoft are requesting pages
    > from eKstreme.com and blogSci.com (my science blog) with HTTP referer
    > headers suggesting that the hits were from live.com searches. These
    > referer headers are spoofed as the keywords from these supposed
    > searches are sometimes in no way related to the requested page.
    > Additionally, for most of the other supposed searches, the requested
    > pages do not rank in the top 10 (first page of results) in a way to
    > send this traffic.
    >

    >
    >

    http://ekstreme.com/thingsofsorts/bl...ammed-you-too/

    [me yelling /]

    They have been referrer-spamming several of my sites for months. It must have
    started around the time when they introduced those 'games' (as in gaming the
    system and breaking stats methods).

    This one I received by E-mail:

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | [...]
    |
    | Live.com has been pinging people's sites with what appears to be referrer
    | spam. There is a thread about it here:
    | http://www.webmasterworld.com/msn_mi...ch/3424476.htm
    |
    | I posted a summary here -- I suspect that it's just old fashioned referrer
    | spam: http://pocketseo.com/analytics/146
    |
    | Some other takes on it:
    |
    |
    http://andrewu.co.uk/webtech/comment...from_microsoft
    |
    |
    http://www.bitworm.com/search/2007/i...our-log-files/
    |
    | I thought you might be interested. I attached a sample excerpt from one of
    | my sites' logs in case you haven't seen it before. [...]
    `----


    See:

    How Microsoft Clubs to Search Gains

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | We checked with Hitwise, and they explained that June gains include “searches
    | automatically generated from a promotion on club.live.com,” up to June 9, *
    | 2007. After that they stopped counting the data.
    `----

    http://gigaom.com/2007/07/27/how-mic...-search-gains/


    Tracking Internet Use Remains Difficult

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | For example, this month Nielsen said search-engine queries for No. 3-ranked
    | Microsoft Corp. jumped about 80 percent in June, a curious development for a
    | search engine that had been continuously losing market share. *
    |
    | Microsoft said the gains were the result of a word game promotion, in which
    | players had to form words out of a jumble of letters. As part of the game,
    | Microsoft's search engine automatically hunted for Web pages that contained
    | the word being guessed at. *
    |
    | The promotion raises the question of whether these clicks were the result of
    | using automated means, and therefore shouldn't be counted.
    |
    | Nielsen product manager Scott Ross said the company sees no need to change
    | the June search-engine rankings. Yet, he conceded that critics -- including
    | Yahoo, operator of the world's second most popular search engine -- may also
    | have a point about Microsoft using questionable means to spark the surge in
    | popularity. * *
    `----

    http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070725/track...sage.html?.v=1



    Microsoft’s Club Live fiasco

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | People were using the macro on more than 3 games at a time, on more than 2
    | accounts at a time, why Microsoft didn’t pick up on the fact that in the
    | first few days some people had accumulated enough for 3 Zunes each is beyond
    | us. Some were lucky, others, not so much. *
    |
    | [...]
    |
    | So far no one has been banned from using their accounts, which they needed to
    | sign up, probably because they did not break any laws, or probably because
    | Microsoft didn’t want that hassle and liked their new found traffic. *
    `----

    http://www.blogthe.net/2007/07/16/mi...b-live-fiasco/


    Bots Helped To Boost Microsoft Live Search Gains

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | In a blog post, Compete analyst Steve Willis attributed Microsoft's
    | search gains to prizes awarded to users participating in Live Search
    | Club, which features games that post queries to Microsoft's search
    | engine.
    |
    | [...]
    |
    | Microsoft is essentially being DDoSed by thousands of people hundreds
    | of times per minute, but they are mistaking this rise in traffic for
    | people actually using Live Search."
    `----

    http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=201001092


    Despite this, Live.com continue to lose market share:

    Live Search's High Dive

    ,----[ Quote
    | Microsoft's August and September declines clearly show that gimmicks aren't
    | enough to gain and maintain relevant search market share.
    `----

    http://www.microsoft-watch.com/conte...129TX1K0000535

    Here are figures from a survey. They will be out of date in the future(dynamic
    content in the URL), but Google has 85% market share in search.

    http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php

    Microsoft is merely nonexistent... like in the world's biggest PCs, where
    Microsoft has a minuscule market share of 1%. Worry not however, because
    Microsoft has already bought the media, so it'll find some propaganda-like
    methods to hide these true facts.

    --
    ~~ Best of wishes

    Roy S. Schestowitz | Play Othello: http://othellomaster.com
    http://Schestowitz.com | GNU/Linux | PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E
    Mem: 515500k total, 444508k used, 70992k free, 3576k buffers
    http://iuron.com - next generation of search paradigms

  3. Re: Yell if Microsoft's Live.com Spammed You Too

    ____/ [H]omer on Friday 16 November 2007 09:17 : \____

    > Verily I say unto thee, that nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu spake thusly:
    >
    >> ...this post presents evidence indicating that Microsoft is
    >> spamming websites.

    >
    > Not mine ... any more, since I block everything from the "65.55." netblock.


    If only you saw the amount of sh*t Microsoft shoves into the logs (about 6000
    SPAM per month). It makes them unreadable. It's a total mess.

    Thank you, Microsoft, for once again sabotaging other people's work, even if
    they use Linux on the server and the desktop. Microsoft uses zombies to SPAM
    Web sites, but this time the zombies do exactly what they are supposed to do.

    There are other examples that go a long way back, e.g.

    http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archiv...linux-servers/

    Is Microsoft *trying* to make people hate them? It's like a type A
    pesonality/entity < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_A_personality >. Vain as
    hell. Thinks it owns the Web.

    --
    ~~ Best of wishes

    Roy S. Schestowitz | GPL - Global Programmer's Law
    http://Schestowitz.com | GNU is Not UNIX | PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E
    http://iuron.com - proposing a non-profit search engine

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