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  1. OSS Kualitee Committee: asleep on the job

    Add some data to an Excel or OO Calc spreadsheet: just fill in something in
    the first 50 rows in columns A and B.

    Now highlight the column headers in Excel and copy/paste into an Outlook or
    Outlook Express message and it will paste only the 50 rows that have data.

    But highlight the column headers in OpenOffice Calc and copy/paste into a
    KNode message and it will paste in every row in the spreadsheet: all 65536,
    whether there's any data in them or not. And it will lock up your system
    for 10 seconds while it pastes the blank rows.

    God help you when OO clones the 1,000,000+ rows of Excel 2007.

    Go Linux! Go Open Source! Most Tested! Best Kualitee!



  2. Re: OSS Kualitee Committee: asleep on the job

    On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:17:32 -0500
    DFS wrote:

    > Add some data to an Excel or OO Calc spreadsheet: just fill in
    > something in the first 50 rows in columns A and B.
    >
    > Now highlight the column headers in Excel and copy/paste into an
    > Outlook or Outlook Express message and it will paste only the 50 rows
    > that have data.
    >
    > But highlight the column headers in OpenOffice Calc and copy/paste
    > into a KNode message and it will paste in every row in the
    > spreadsheet: all 65536, whether there's any data in them or not. And
    > it will lock up your system for 10 seconds while it pastes the blank
    > rows.
    >
    > God help you when OO clones the 1,000,000+ rows of Excel 2007.
    >
    > Go Linux! Go Open Source! Most Tested! Best Kualitee!


    I'd favour a 10 second lock rather than 850 * 77.1... Copying 65535 in
    excel sometimes gives 100,000.

    Go corporate. Run spot, run!

  3. Re: OSS Kualitee Committee: asleep on the job

    On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:17:32 -0500, DFS wrote:

    > Add some data to an Excel or OO Calc spreadsheet: just fill in
    > something in the first 50 rows in columns A and B.
    >
    > Now highlight the column headers in Excel and copy/paste into an
    > Outlook or Outlook Express message and it will paste only the 50
    > rows that have data.
    >
    > But highlight the column headers in OpenOffice Calc and copy/paste
    > into a KNode message and it will paste in every row in the
    > spreadsheet: all 65536, whether there's any data in them or not.
    > And it will lock up your system for 10 seconds while it pastes the
    > blank rows.


    Just did it with oocalc and knode on kubuntu. Pasted only the 50 rows
    that I had entered data into.

    > God help you when OO clones the 1,000,000+ rows of Excel 2007.


    What problem should I expect?

    > Go Linux! Go Open Source! Most Tested! Best Kualitee!


    Seems good enough for me. What did you do wrong? Are you sure you
    should be using computers?

  4. Re: OSS Kualitee Committee: asleep on the job

    p5000011 wrote:

    > On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:17:32 -0500, DFS wrote:
    >
    >> Add some data to an Excel or OO Calc spreadsheet: just fill in
    >> something in the first 50 rows in columns A and B.
    >>
    >> Now highlight the column headers in Excel and copy/paste into an
    >> Outlook or Outlook Express message and it will paste only the 50
    >> rows that have data.
    >>
    >> But highlight the column headers in OpenOffice Calc and copy/paste
    >> into a KNode message and it will paste in every row in the
    >> spreadsheet: all 65536, whether there's any data in them or not.
    >> And it will lock up your system for 10 seconds while it pastes the
    >> blank rows.

    >
    > Just did it with oocalc and knode on kubuntu. Pasted only the 50 rows
    > that I had entered data into.
    >
    >> God help you when OO clones the 1,000,000+ rows of Excel 2007.

    >
    > What problem should I expect?
    >
    >> Go Linux! Go Open Source! Most Tested! Best Kualitee!

    >
    > Seems good enough for me. What did you do wrong? Are you sure you
    > should be using computers?


    He said he used Outlook and Outlook Express, so it suggests the problem only
    applies if you are using OO on a Microsoft platform using bloat wear
    outlook.

    Jem..
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  5. Re: OSS Kualitee Committee: asleep on the job

    On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:08:33 +0000, Jeremy Fisher wrote:

    > p5000011 wrote:
    >
    >> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:17:32 -0500, DFS wrote:
    >>
    >>> Add some data to an Excel or OO Calc spreadsheet: just fill in
    >>> something in the first 50 rows in columns A and B.
    >>>
    >>> Now highlight the column headers in Excel and copy/paste into an
    >>> Outlook or Outlook Express message and it will paste only the 50
    >>> rows that have data.
    >>>
    >>> But highlight the column headers in OpenOffice Calc and copy/paste
    >>> into a KNode message and it will paste in every row in the
    >>> spreadsheet: all 65536, whether there's any data in them or not.
    >>> And it will lock up your system for 10 seconds while it pastes the
    >>> blank rows.

    >>
    >> Just did it with oocalc and knode on kubuntu. Pasted only the 50 rows
    >> that I had entered data into.
    >>
    >>> God help you when OO clones the 1,000,000+ rows of Excel 2007.

    >>
    >> What problem should I expect?
    >>
    >>> Go Linux! Go Open Source! Most Tested! Best Kualitee!

    >>
    >> Seems good enough for me. What did you do wrong? Are you sure you
    >> should be using computers?

    >
    > He said he used Outlook and Outlook Express, so it suggests the
    > problem only applies if you are using OO on a Microsoft platform
    > using bloat wear outlook.


    No he starts off saying create a spreadsheet in excel or oocalc. He
    then says highlight the 50 rows in oocalc and paste in knode. Does
    knode run under windows? Either way it worked fine for me.

  6. Re: OSS Kualitee Committee: asleep on the job

    On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:17:44 +0000 (UTC)
    p5000011 wrote:

    > No he starts off saying create a spreadsheet in excel or oocalc. He
    > then says highlight the 50 rows in oocalc and paste in knode. Does
    > knode run under windows? Either way it worked fine for me.


    I tried in excel and got a random number of rows. Perhaps its because i
    started with 65535.

  7. Re: OSS Kualitee Committee: asleep on the job

    Jeremy Fisher wrote:

    > He said he used Outlook and Outlook Express, so it suggests the problem
    > only applies if you are using OO on a Microsoft platform using bloat wear
    > outlook.


    I used Excel 2000 and 2003 and Outlook and Outlook Express on Windows
    I used OO Calc 2.0.4 and KNode 0.10.4 on Linux (StartCom EL5)

    Outlook is bloatware. It's also far superior to any OSS email (cr)app.



  8. Re: OSS Kualitee Committee: asleep on the job

    On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:41:55 -0500
    DFS wrote:

    > Jeremy Fisher wrote:
    >
    > > He said he used Outlook and Outlook Express, so it suggests the
    > > problem only applies if you are using OO on a Microsoft platform
    > > using bloat wear outlook.

    >
    > I used Excel 2000 and 2003 and Outlook and Outlook Express on Windows
    > I used OO Calc 2.0.4 and KNode 0.10.4 on Linux (StartCom EL5)
    >
    > Outlook is bloatware. It's also far superior to any OSS email
    > (cr)app.
    >


    No, it's not.

    Unless you like it running arbitrary programs from buffer overflows in
    headers.

    Also, if you like all your mail marked as important, based on incorrect
    header parsing too.

    Also, if you don't like the ability to view the message source.

    Also if you like being confined to a single editor, last time i looked
    it's not possible to set external editors.

    Also, if you like only HTML messages, it REALLY cannot quote messages
    very well when working as text.

    So. yes, outlook is OK, if all the above suits your way of working. For
    most of the people on the internet they just put up with it.

    Also (I forgot this), if you want to write messages to people, and have
    them think you're who you say you are, just GPG/Mime it, Outlook stamps
    a rosette next to the message, as if to say it's done some checking.
    Give it ago, mail someone and claim to be their boss, the end user will
    think you actually are (why not give them a raise at the same time).

  9. Re: OSS Kualitee Committee: asleep on the job

    DFS did eloquently scribble:
    > I used Excel 2000 and 2003 and Outlook and Outlook Express on Windows
    > I used OO Calc 2.0.4 and KNode 0.10.4 on Linux (StartCom EL5)


    Then you have no reason to complain moron.
    Might not've occurred to you, but OOOrg is now at version 2.3
    Even if it WAS a bug (which I dount, cos you're the one reporting it), so
    what?
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  10. Re: OSS Kualitee Committee: asleep on the job

    After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:

    > Jeremy Fisher wrote:
    >
    >> He said he used Outlook and Outlook Express, so it suggests the problem
    >> only applies if you are using OO on a Microsoft platform using bloat wear
    >> outlook.

    >
    > I used Excel 2000 and 2003 and Outlook and Outlook Express on Windows
    > I used OO Calc 2.0.4 and KNode 0.10.4 on Linux (StartCom EL5)
    >
    > Outlook is bloatware. It's also far superior to any OSS email (cr)app.


    To me, that is a real laffer.

    I totally /hate/ Outlook.

    --
    Tux rox!

  11. Re: OSS Kualitee Committee: asleep on the job

    Linonut wrote:

    > I totally /hate/ Outlook.


    I like it OK. It's extremely powerful and featureful, but confusing to
    administer, and I noticed when they recently moved my mail store to the
    Exchange server it got sluggish ((previously I had it local).

    But the Office Object Model, especially in Access, Excel and Outlook, is
    very useful for business stuff: data analysis, reporting, employee
    scheduling, etc.




  12. Re: OSS Kualitee Committee: asleep on the job

    After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:

    > Linonut wrote:
    >
    >> I totally /hate/ Outlook.

    >
    > I like it OK. It's extremely powerful and featureful, but confusing to
    > administer, and I noticed when they recently moved my mail store to the
    > Exchange server it got sluggish ((previously I had it local).
    >
    > But the Office Object Model, especially in Access, Excel and Outlook, is
    > very useful for business stuff: data analysis, reporting, employee
    > scheduling, etc.


    Yeah, probably. But I'd rather have fetchmail grab all my mail from
    various sources and have it all collected in one place, at home, where I
    can connect more reliably than the dual corp/mil infrastructure I have
    to deal with at work.

    And I would much rather use mutt. Mail GUIs, especially web mail, are
    too @$##@$#&*( slow.

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    Tux rox!

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