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  1. [News] [Rival] Apple's Leopard Lacks Polish... Gets BSoDs

    Some Leopard upgraders see 'blue screen of death'

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | A significant number of Mac owners upgrading to Leopard on Friday reported
    | that after installing the new operating system, their machines locked up,
    | showing only an interminable -- and very Windows-like -- "blue screen of
    | death."
    `----

    http://www.computerworld.com/action/...icleId=9044378

    Many Mac users would argue that Linux is half-cooked and Mac OS is just
    perfect.


    Recent:

    New iMacs plagued by interface freezing issues

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | A growing number of users have reported that Apple's aluminum all-in-one
    | computers suffer from a flaw that locks up the interface, rendering the
    | system all but inert until a reboot. ¬*
    `----

    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ng_issues.html


    Apple Arrogance Unleashed!

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | But the only problem with Apple is that it has no gratitude. Or humility. Or
    | generosity. Or manners.
    |
    | I'm a big fan of Apple products. But there's no escaping the fact that Apple
    | has always been, well, arrogant. Which was fine -- their superiority complex
    | has always been both partially deserved and one of the company's motivations
    | to strive for better things. But in the past few months, the company seems to
    | have crossed some kind of invisible line, now brazenly pissing off not just
    | competitors, but its most devoted fans, closest partners and industry
    | supporters.
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  2. Re: [News] [Rival] Apple's Leopard Lacks Polish... Gets BSoDs

    On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:28:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

    > Some Leopard upgraders see 'blue screen of death'
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    > | A significant number of Mac owners upgrading to Leopard on Friday
    > reported | that after installing the new operating system, their
    > machines locked up, | showing only an interminable -- and very
    > Windows-like -- "blue screen of | death."
    > `----

    (snip)
    I think its a little early for the Leopard bashing to start.

    --
    Rick

  3. Re: [News] [Rival] Apple's Leopard Lacks Polish... Gets BSoDs

    "Rick" stated in post 13i7srvghnh36ca@news.supernews.com
    on 10/27/07 7:27 PM:

    > On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:28:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    >> Some Leopard upgraders see 'blue screen of death'
    >>
    >> ,----[ Quote ]
    >> | A significant number of Mac owners upgrading to Leopard on Friday
    >> reported | that after installing the new operating system, their
    >> machines locked up, | showing only an interminable -- and very
    >> Windows-like -- "blue screen of | death."
    >> `----

    > (snip)
    > I think its a little early for the Leopard bashing to start.


    Are you planning in waiting a week? A month?

    Just want to be prepared.


    --
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments
    that take our breath away.




  4. Re: [News] [Rival] Apple's Leopard Lacks Polish... Gets BSoDs

    Rick wrote:

    > On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:28:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    >> Some Leopard upgraders see 'blue screen of death'
    >>
    >> ,----[ Quote ]
    >> | A significant number of Mac owners upgrading to Leopard on Friday
    >> reported | that after installing the new operating system, their
    >> machines locked up, | showing only an interminable -- and very
    >> Windows-like -- "blue screen of | death."
    >> `----

    > (snip)
    > I think its a little early for the Leopard bashing to start.
    >


    Why? Whenever MS botches an update, they get the deserved flak immedeately.
    Why spare apple?
    They have shown that their attendance to detail is not better than that of
    MS. The often mentioned "quality" of apple software is just a myth, and it
    has shown again
    --
    Modern man is the missing link between apes and human beings.


  5. Re: [News] [Rival] Apple's Leopard Lacks Polish... Gets BSoDs

    Roy Schestowitz wrote:

    > ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Sunday 28 October 2007 07:53 : \____
    >
    >> Rick wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:28:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Some Leopard upgraders see 'blue screen of death'
    >>>>
    >>>> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>>> | A significant number of Mac owners upgrading to Leopard on Friday
    >>>> reported | that after installing the new operating system, their
    >>>> machines locked up, | showing only an interminable -- and very
    >>>> Windows-like -- "blue screen of | death."
    >>>> `----
    >>> (snip)
    >>> I think its a little early for the Leopard bashing to start.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Why? Whenever MS botches an update, they get the deserved flak
    >> immedeately. Why spare apple?
    >> They have shown that their attendance to detail is not better than that
    >> of MS. The often mentioned "quality" of apple software is just a myth,
    >> and it has shown again

    >
    > Peoplw whom I know where left stuck with only the command-line after
    > rotten updates from Apple. It does not make that Mac so easy to use.


    I guess it doesn't. After all, the apple users are even more addicted to
    their GUI than windows users. Most would certainly be totally lost when
    faced with the unspeakable "horrors" of a CLI

    > We need to eliminate the perception that Mac is like a prettier Linux
    > (Compiz-fusion+Plasma+AWN looks better) which is easier to use and more
    > reliable.


    Well, that myth certainly still prevails, although totally without reason.
    Apple have botched software often enough.
    Not to mention that their hardware is shiny, but way too often badly
    designed and failing because of that

    > When Linux is packaged and preloaded properly, it's an excellent
    > system that /anyone/ can use without requiring help.
    >


    Tell that Scott Nudds. Or DFS. Or flatfish. They certainly seem to lack the
    smarts.
    --
    I doubt, therefore I might be.


  6. Re: [News] [Rival] Apple's Leopard Lacks Polish... Gets BSoDs

    On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:45:37 -0700, Snit wrote:

    > "Rick" stated in post
    > 13i7srvghnh36ca@news.supernews.com on 10/27/07 7:27 PM:
    >
    >> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:28:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>
    >>> Some Leopard upgraders see 'blue screen of death'
    >>>
    >>> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>> | A significant number of Mac owners upgrading to Leopard on Friday
    >>> reported | that after installing the new operating system, their
    >>> machines locked up, | showing only an interminable -- and very
    >>> Windows-like -- "blue screen of | death." `----

    >> (snip)
    >> I think its a little early for the Leopard bashing to start.

    >
    > Are you planning in waiting a week? A month?
    >
    > Just want to be prepared.


    Not funny, no matter how much you think it was.

    --
    Rick

  7. Re: [News] [Rival] Apple's Leopard Lacks Polish... Gets BSoDs

    On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:53:03 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote:

    > Rick wrote:
    >
    >> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:28:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>
    >>> Some Leopard upgraders see 'blue screen of death'
    >>>
    >>> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>> | A significant number of Mac owners upgrading to Leopard on Friday
    >>> reported | that after installing the new operating system, their
    >>> machines locked up, | showing only an interminable -- and very
    >>> Windows-like -- "blue screen of | death." `----

    >> (snip)
    >> I think its a little early for the Leopard bashing to start.
    >>
    >>

    > Why? Whenever MS botches an update, they get the deserved flak
    > immedeately. Why spare apple?
    > They have shown that their attendance to detail is not better than that
    > of MS. The often mentioned "quality" of apple software is just a myth,
    > and it has shown again


    Yes, there have been some problems with the Leopard update, but how big
    of problems aren't yet known. These "BSODs" may effect a very few people
    with obscure setups, or they may be common occurrences.

    --
    Rick

  8. Re: [News] [Rival] Apple's Leopard Lacks Polish... Gets BSoDs

    On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:45:32 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

    > ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Sunday 28 October 2007 07:53 : \____
    >
    >> Rick wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:28:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Some Leopard upgraders see 'blue screen of death'
    >>>>
    >>>> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>>> | A significant number of Mac owners upgrading to Leopard on Friday
    >>>> reported | that after installing the new operating system, their
    >>>> machines locked up, | showing only an interminable -- and very
    >>>> Windows-like -- "blue screen of | death." `----
    >>> (snip)
    >>> I think its a little early for the Leopard bashing to start.
    >>>
    >>>

    >> Why? Whenever MS botches an update, they get the deserved flak
    >> immedeately. Why spare apple?
    >> They have shown that their attendance to detail is not better than that
    >> of MS. The often mentioned "quality" of apple software is just a myth,
    >> and it has shown again

    >
    > People whom I know where left stuck with only the command-line after
    > rotten updates from Apple. It does not make that Mac so easy to use.


    That is not good. And yes, I think that Apples quality of hardware and
    software is over somewhat rated.

    >
    > We need to eliminate the perception that Mac is like a prettier Linux
    > (Compiz-fusion+Plasma+AWN looks better) which is easier to use and more
    > reliable. When Linux is packaged and preloaded properly, it's an
    > excellent system that /anyone/ can use without requiring help.


    When Linux is properly packaged and properly loaded...

    How many distros have been distributed with 0 problems? And while Compiz
    Fusion is getting very easy to turn on, there still seem to be a large
    number of people with problems.

    OS X IS a nice looking OS. It IS user friendly. BUT ... Macs are fairly
    expensive, and the Apple software that makes them attractive (iLife and
    the commercial stuff) is all proprietary, and closed source. The
    commercial software is also expensive.

    It is a shame the commercial developers haven't figured out how to do
    decent ports of MacOS software to Linux and BSD.

    --
    Rick

  9. Re: [News] [Rival] Apple's Leopard Lacks Polish... Gets BSoDs

    Rick wrote:

    > On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:45:32 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    >> ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Sunday 28 October 2007 07:53 : \____
    >>
    >>> Rick wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:28:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Some Leopard upgraders see 'blue screen of death'
    >>>>>
    >>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>>>> | A significant number of Mac owners upgrading to Leopard on Friday
    >>>>> reported | that after installing the new operating system, their
    >>>>> machines locked up, | showing only an interminable -- and very
    >>>>> Windows-like -- "blue screen of | death." `----
    >>>> (snip)
    >>>> I think its a little early for the Leopard bashing to start.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> Why? Whenever MS botches an update, they get the deserved flak
    >>> immedeately. Why spare apple?
    >>> They have shown that their attendance to detail is not better than that
    >>> of MS. The often mentioned "quality" of apple software is just a myth,
    >>> and it has shown again

    >>
    >> People whom I know where left stuck with only the command-line after
    >> rotten updates from Apple. It does not make that Mac so easy to use.

    >
    > That is not good. And yes, I think that Apples quality of hardware and
    > software is over somewhat rated.
    >
    >>
    >> We need to eliminate the perception that Mac is like a prettier Linux
    >> (Compiz-fusion+Plasma+AWN looks better) which is easier to use and more
    >> reliable. When Linux is packaged and preloaded properly, it's an
    >> excellent system that /anyone/ can use without requiring help.

    >
    > When Linux is properly packaged and properly loaded...
    >
    > How many distros have been distributed with 0 problems? And while Compiz
    > Fusion is getting very easy to turn on, there still seem to be a large
    > number of people with problems.
    >
    > OS X IS a nice looking OS. It IS user friendly. BUT ... Macs are fairly
    > expensive, and the Apple software that makes them attractive (iLife and
    > the commercial stuff) is all proprietary, and closed source. The
    > commercial software is also expensive.
    >
    > It is a shame the commercial developers haven't figured out how to do
    > decent ports of MacOS software to Linux and BSD.


    *BSDs work *very* well without being tainted by any MacOS crap, IMO. It's
    because Apple have buggered about with BSD, & added their own software that
    their machines crash.

    --
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    Testing: FreeBSD 7.0-BETA1.5
    Linux systems: Debian 4.0, PCLinuxOS 2007,
    Kubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy"

  10. Re: [News] [Rival] Apple's Leopard Lacks Polish... Gets BSoDs

    On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:39:43 +0000, William Poaster wrote:

    > Rick wrote:
    >
    >> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:45:32 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>
    >>> ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Sunday 28 October 2007 07:53 : \____
    >>>
    >>>> Rick wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:28:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Some Leopard upgraders see 'blue screen of death'
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>>>>> | A significant number of Mac owners upgrading to Leopard on Friday
    >>>>>> reported | that after installing the new operating system, their
    >>>>>> machines locked up, | showing only an interminable -- and very
    >>>>>> Windows-like -- "blue screen of | death." `----
    >>>>> (snip)
    >>>>> I think its a little early for the Leopard bashing to start.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>> Why? Whenever MS botches an update, they get the deserved flak
    >>>> immedeately. Why spare apple?
    >>>> They have shown that their attendance to detail is not better than
    >>>> that of MS. The often mentioned "quality" of apple software is just a
    >>>> myth, and it has shown again
    >>>
    >>> People whom I know where left stuck with only the command-line after
    >>> rotten updates from Apple. It does not make that Mac so easy to use.

    >>
    >> That is not good. And yes, I think that Apples quality of hardware and
    >> software is over somewhat rated.
    >>
    >>
    >>> We need to eliminate the perception that Mac is like a prettier Linux
    >>> (Compiz-fusion+Plasma+AWN looks better) which is easier to use and
    >>> more reliable. When Linux is packaged and preloaded properly, it's an
    >>> excellent system that /anyone/ can use without requiring help.

    >>
    >> When Linux is properly packaged and properly loaded...
    >>
    >> How many distros have been distributed with 0 problems? And while
    >> Compiz Fusion is getting very easy to turn on, there still seem to be a
    >> large number of people with problems.
    >>
    >> OS X IS a nice looking OS. It IS user friendly. BUT ... Macs are fairly
    >> expensive, and the Apple software that makes them attractive (iLife and
    >> the commercial stuff) is all proprietary, and closed source. The
    >> commercial software is also expensive.
    >>
    >> It is a shame the commercial developers haven't figured out how to do
    >> decent ports of MacOS software to Linux and BSD.

    >
    > *BSDs work *very* well without being tainted by any MacOS crap, IMO.
    > It's because Apple have buggered about with BSD, & added their own
    > software that their machines crash.



    That may well be true.
    --
    Rick

  11. Re: [News] [Rival] Apple's Leopard Lacks Polish... Gets BSoDs

    ____/ Rick on Sunday 28 October 2007 10:53 : \____

    > On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:45:32 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    >> ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Sunday 28 October 2007 07:53 : \____
    >>
    >>> Rick wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:28:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Some Leopard upgraders see 'blue screen of death'
    >>>>>
    >>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>>>> | A significant number of Mac owners upgrading to Leopard on Friday
    >>>>> reported | that after installing the new operating system, their
    >>>>> machines locked up, | showing only an interminable -- and very
    >>>>> Windows-like -- "blue screen of | death." `----
    >>>> (snip)
    >>>> I think its a little early for the Leopard bashing to start.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> Why? Whenever MS botches an update, they get the deserved flak
    >>> immedeately. Why spare apple?
    >>> They have shown that their attendance to detail is not better than that
    >>> of MS. The often mentioned "quality" of apple software is just a myth,
    >>> and it has shown again

    >>
    >> People whom I know where left stuck with only the command-line after
    >> rotten updates from Apple. It does not make that Mac so easy to use.

    >
    > That is not good. And yes, I think that Apples quality of hardware and
    > software is over somewhat rated.


    From my experience (I had a Mac in my office for 3.5 years), the hardware is
    decent, but people whom I helped had some hardware issues and support
    nightmares (it took Apple a lot of time to send replacement, but that's what
    you get _WHEN SUPPORT IS A MONOPOLY_).

    >> We need to eliminate the perception that Mac is like a prettier Linux
    >> (Compiz-fusion+Plasma+AWN looks better) which is easier to use and more
    >> reliable. When Linux is packaged and preloaded properly, it's an
    >> excellent system that /anyone/ can use without requiring help.

    >
    > When Linux is properly packaged and properly loaded...
    >
    > How many distros have been distributed with 0 problems? And while Compiz
    > Fusion is getting very easy to turn on, there still seem to be a large
    > number of people with problems.


    No O/S is perfect. That's just my point. Apple is not heavenly either, but it
    does a decent job when it comes to polish (so do OpenSUSE and RHEL
    developers).

    Dell is doing quite a poor job packaging Linux to be honest with you, but it
    can be done properly. With a production-line-type setup, many excellent
    machines can be dispatched for a low price. Even the eSys PC that I last
    bought seems to have been in better shape than those Dells everyone raves
    about.

    > OS X IS a nice looking OS. It IS user friendly. BUT ... Macs are fairly
    > expensive, and the Apple software that makes them attractive (iLife and
    > the commercial stuff) is all proprietary, and closed source. The
    > commercial software is also expensive.


    As Linux grows (also in terms of userbase) it will mature further. I can't
    think of a single proprietary application that would serve me better now. Some
    people have specialised software that does not run on Linux, and that's
    understandable.

    > It is a shame the commercial developers haven't figured out how to do
    > decent ports of MacOS software to Linux and BSD.


    From what I've read some months ago, companies confess that porting to Linux
    is /far/ easier than people imagine. My C/OpenGL project was actually quite
    easy to port from Linux to Windows as well. The main question is, what tools
    (P/Ls) were used to build the software?

    --
    ~~ Best of wishes

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  12. Re: [News] [Rival] Apple's Leopard Lacks Polish... Gets BSoDs

    ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Sunday 28 October 2007 09:33 : \____

    > Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    >> ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Sunday 28 October 2007 07:53 : \____
    >>
    >>> Rick wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:28:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Some Leopard upgraders see 'blue screen of death'
    >>>>>
    >>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>>>> | A significant number of Mac owners upgrading to Leopard on Friday
    >>>>> reported | that after installing the new operating system, their
    >>>>> machines locked up, | showing only an interminable -- and very
    >>>>> Windows-like -- "blue screen of | death."
    >>>>> `----
    >>>> (snip)
    >>>> I think its a little early for the Leopard bashing to start.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Why? Whenever MS botches an update, they get the deserved flak
    >>> immedeately. Why spare apple?
    >>> They have shown that their attendance to detail is not better than that
    >>> of MS. The often mentioned "quality" of apple software is just a myth,
    >>> and it has shown again

    >>
    >> Peoplw whom I know where left stuck with only the command-line after
    >> rotten updates from Apple. It does not make that Mac so easy to use.

    >
    > I guess it doesn't. After all, the apple users are even more addicted to
    > their GUI than windows users. Most would certainly be totally lost when
    > faced with the unspeakable "horrors" of a CLI
    >
    >> We need to eliminate the perception that Mac is like a prettier Linux
    >> (Compiz-fusion+Plasma+AWN looks better) which is easier to use and more
    >> reliable.

    >
    > Well, that myth certainly still prevails, although totally without reason.
    > Apple have botched software often enough.
    > Not to mention that their hardware is shiny, but way too often badly
    > designed and failing because of that
    >
    >> When Linux is packaged and preloaded properly, it's an excellent
    >> system that /anyone/ can use without requiring help.
    >>

    >
    > Tell that Scott Nudds. Or DFS. Or flatfish. They certainly seem to lack the
    > smarts.


    I think they just hammer on the stereotypes over and over again. It's
    effective, but it won't last if people judge by personal experience.

    In 7+ years of using Linux (even on multiple PCs) I never faces a situation
    where I had to wipe & reinstall. Forced reboots happen just a few times a
    year, so they can be assumped to be non existent (unless there's a power cut,
    which is rare here).

    Linux (KDE is my preference) is an excellent desktop and it's hard to
    understand why people listen to the myths rather than take time to draw their
    conclusions. I rarely ever use the CLI (unless I run scripts that automate
    complicated things) and I barely ever open the file manager. No popups, no
    obligatory software like AV hogware... it's great.

    --
    ~~ Best of wishes

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  13. Re: [News] [Rival] Apple's Leopard Lacks Polish... Gets BSoDs

    ____/ Rick on Sunday 28 October 2007 11:55 : \____

    > On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:39:43 +0000, William Poaster wrote:
    >
    >> Rick wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:45:32 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Sunday 28 October 2007 07:53 : \____
    >>>>
    >>>>> Rick wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:28:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Some Leopard upgraders see 'blue screen of death'
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>>>>>> | A significant number of Mac owners upgrading to Leopard on Friday
    >>>>>>> reported | that after installing the new operating system, their
    >>>>>>> machines locked up, | showing only an interminable -- and very
    >>>>>>> Windows-like -- "blue screen of | death." `----
    >>>>>> (snip)
    >>>>>> I think its a little early for the Leopard bashing to start.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> Why? Whenever MS botches an update, they get the deserved flak
    >>>>> immedeately. Why spare apple?
    >>>>> They have shown that their attendance to detail is not better than
    >>>>> that of MS. The often mentioned "quality" of apple software is just a
    >>>>> myth, and it has shown again
    >>>>
    >>>> People whom I know where left stuck with only the command-line after
    >>>> rotten updates from Apple. It does not make that Mac so easy to use.
    >>>
    >>> That is not good. And yes, I think that Apples quality of hardware and
    >>> software is over somewhat rated.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> We need to eliminate the perception that Mac is like a prettier Linux
    >>>> (Compiz-fusion+Plasma+AWN looks better) which is easier to use and
    >>>> more reliable. When Linux is packaged and preloaded properly, it's an
    >>>> excellent system that /anyone/ can use without requiring help.
    >>>
    >>> When Linux is properly packaged and properly loaded...
    >>>
    >>> How many distros have been distributed with 0 problems? And while
    >>> Compiz Fusion is getting very easy to turn on, there still seem to be a
    >>> large number of people with problems.
    >>>
    >>> OS X IS a nice looking OS. It IS user friendly. BUT ... Macs are fairly
    >>> expensive, and the Apple software that makes them attractive (iLife and
    >>> the commercial stuff) is all proprietary, and closed source. The
    >>> commercial software is also expensive.
    >>>
    >>> It is a shame the commercial developers haven't figured out how to do
    >>> decent ports of MacOS software to Linux and BSD.

    >>
    >> *BSDs work *very* well without being tainted by any MacOS crap, IMO.
    >> It's because Apple have buggered about with BSD, & added their own
    >> software that their machines crash.

    >
    >
    > That may well be true.


    Since many Apple Mac users prefer OSS to escape lockin (Thunderbird, Firefox,
    NeOffice, etc), one must wonder why they go ga-ga after Aqua (proprietary).
    When it comes to virtualisation (Parallels), they can use VMWare on Free
    software (free in terms of cost also) and the same goes for their
    applications. If they like Apple hardware, they can install/dual-boot Linux on
    it. Well-designed laptops will come... and not just from Apple, which
    admittedly employs creative people

    I've used Mac OS X and it's good looking, but I can't see how it outperforms
    Linux in any way. In fact, it lacks a lot of great stuff that exists in KDE
    (not just applications). When it comes to looks, if that's a concern, Linux
    can be put on 'steroids' that make it mimic OS X _PLUS_ a whole variety of
    other things that suit one's personal taste (and are free... and available in
    large numbers).

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  14. Re: [News] [Rival] Apple's Leopard Lacks Polish... Gets BSoDs

    "Rick" stated in post 13i8ptok2b9vt8b@news.supernews.com
    on 10/28/07 3:43 AM:

    > On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:45:37 -0700, Snit wrote:
    >
    >> "Rick" stated in post
    >> 13i7srvghnh36ca@news.supernews.com on 10/27/07 7:27 PM:
    >>
    >>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:28:39 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Some Leopard upgraders see 'blue screen of death'
    >>>>
    >>>> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>>> | A significant number of Mac owners upgrading to Leopard on Friday
    >>>> reported | that after installing the new operating system, their
    >>>> machines locked up, | showing only an interminable -- and very
    >>>> Windows-like -- "blue screen of | death." `----
    >>> (snip)
    >>> I think its a little early for the Leopard bashing to start.

    >>
    >> Are you planning in waiting a week? A month?
    >>
    >> Just want to be prepared.

    >
    > Not funny, no matter how much you think it was.


    Have someone explain the joke to you.


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    BU__SH__




  15. Re: [News] [Rival] Apple's Leopard Lacks Polish... Gets BSoDs

    Peter KŲhlmann wrote:
    > Roy Schestowitz wrote:


    >> When Linux is packaged and preloaded properly, it's an excellent
    >> system that /anyone/ can use without requiring help.
    >>

    >
    > Tell that Scott Nudds. Or DFS. Or flatfish. They certainly seem to lack
    > the smarts.


    Signed
    Linux "Advocate" And Windows Developer For Life
    Peter Kohlmann



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