Sue Romer wrote:

>(snip)

*plonk*

Sue Romer wrote:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20071017/...itLafU9IUjtBAF
>
> While Linux is well established in the data center and as an embedded OS in
> devices, it has never gained much traction on the desktop. Even Apple's 5
> percent share of the desktop is miles beyond Linux adoption, which Net
> Applications ranks at less than 1 percent.

In other news: Porsche Carrera GT market share still lags that of the
Ford Pinto.

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In article <471CEAE5.2F78F25A@seanet.com>, paulh@seanet.com says...
> Sue Romer wrote:
> >
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20071017/...itLafU9IUjtBAF
> >
> > While Linux is well established in the data center and as an embedded OS in
> > devices, it has never gained much traction on the desktop. Even Apple's 5
> > percent share of the desktop is miles beyond Linux adoption, which Net
> > Applications ranks at less than 1 percent.
>
> In other news: Porsche Carrera GT market share still lags that of the
> Ford Pinto.

....despite the fact that new Porsche Carrera GTs are available free at
all Porsche dealers. Or is there a possible flaw in your analogy?
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"Paul Hovnanian P.E." wrote in message
news:471CEAE5.2F78F25A@seanet.com...
> Sue Romer wrote:
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20071017/...itLafU9IUjtBAF
>>
>> While Linux is well established in the data center and as an embedded OS
>> in
>> devices, it has never gained much traction on the desktop. Even Apple's 5
>> percent share of the desktop is miles beyond Linux adoption, which Net
>> Applications ranks at less than 1 percent.
>
> In other news: Porsche Carrera GT market share still lags that of the
> Ford Pinto.
>
You seem to have a limited repetoire. Pintos have been discontinued for
some 25 to 30 years now, IIRC.

Triteness seems to be the mark of OSS.

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." wrote in message
news:471CEAE5.2F78F25A@seanet.com...
> Sue Romer wrote:
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20071017/...itLafU9IUjtBAF
>>
>> While Linux is well established in the data center and as an embedded OS
>> in
>> devices, it has never gained much traction on the desktop. Even Apple's 5
>> percent share of the desktop is miles beyond Linux adoption, which Net
>> Applications ranks at less than 1 percent.
>
> In other news: Porsche Carrera GT market share still lags that of the
> Ford Pinto.



If any car was 100% free then it would have nearly 100% market share no
matter how aggressive Toyota was.

If any beer was 100% free then it would have nearly 100% market share no
matter how aggressive Budweiser was.

If any game console was 100% free then it would have nearly 100% market
share no matter how aggressive MS pushed the XBox.

If any brand of gasoline was 100% free then it would have nearly 100% market
share no matter how aggressive Exxon marketed their product.

If any brand of toothpaste was 100% free then it would have nearly 100%
market share no matter how aggressive Crest marketed their product.

The only way this wouldn't be true is if the 'free car' exploded randomly or
if the 'free beer' tasted like dog piss or if the 'free gas' destroyed your
engine or if the 'free toothpaste' destroyed your teeth. In other words, the
'free product' would have to be a total piece of crap not to take over the
market from a more expensive one.


Yet after 10 years of being 100% free and Windows being claimed as being so
very expensive most everybody uses Windows and nobody uses linux. Says a lot
about what average people think about linux don't it? They would rather pay
hundreds of $$$ than use something that is available in abundance for free.









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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Dan D. Lyons

wrote
on Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:19:32 -0400
<471cf9ec$0$26428$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>
> "Paul Hovnanian P.E." wrote in message
> news:471CEAE5.2F78F25A@seanet.com...
>> Sue Romer wrote:
>>>
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20071017/...itLafU9IUjtBAF
>>>
>>> While Linux is well established in the data center
>>> and as an embedded OS in devices, it has never gained
>>> much traction on the desktop. Even Apple's 5 percent share
>>> of the desktop is miles beyond Linux adoption, which Net
>>> Applications ranks at less than 1 percent.
>>
>> In other news: Porsche Carrera GT market share still lags
>> that of the Ford Pinto.
>

[snip for brevity]

> Yet after 10 years of being 100% free and Windows being
> claimed as being so very expensive most everybody uses
> Windows and nobody uses linux. Says a lot about what
> average people think about linux don't it? They would
> rather pay hundreds of $$$ than use something that is
> available in abundance for free.
>

[1] $50 or so, depending on OEM licensing prices.
I'd frankly have to delve deep.

[2] That cost is not published in OEM sales quotes,
though one might see deltas between Windows Vista
Basic and Winows Vista Ultimate in such places
as Dell's configuration window. (Since Dell
does not put Linux distros in that same window,
one cannot get an accurate fix.)

[2] People like Windows; it works for them. It doesn't
work as well as it could, but it does work.

[3] Windows is the default solution on the x86 desktop, both
because of its monopoly and because of its high
visibility. Linux tends not to crash; kernel panics,
freezes, and other such are rare (though not unknown).
Windows, by contrast, malfunctions rather too often,
showing its trademark "stop screen" (aka BSOD) in very
public places. While such is slightly embarrassing
to Microsoft, presumably, it also shows prospective
clients that Windows is in use everywhere -- or at
least everywhere that is visible. Bad press is better
than no press, especially during a full-court press...

[4] The x86 desktop is the default solution hardware-wise.
I'm not sure how much of this is Intel/Windows synergy,
how much of it is backward-compatibility, how much
of it is Intel dirty tricks, and how much of it is
Intel actually being *better* (or at least quicker
and/or cheaper to market), but it's clear that a vast
majority of desktops are now x86-based.

[5] People don't know about Linux, as Linux has no
marketing budget. It is far from clear that Linux
ever will, though IBM in particular might push it some
in order to further sell their z-series hardware.
Of course Linux does get reasonably good press,
though one might ask for how long that will continue.
Microsoft, after all, isn't going to sit back and let
Linux soak up the limelight for that long, is it?

[6] Application developers look for the most likely
solution. That solution, for the most part, is
Windows, although a fair number will do porting work
to Linux (e.g., Unreal Tournament 2004, Quake 4).

[7] Desktops eventually wear out.

[C] Therefore, Windows Vista wins. It's an unfortunate mess.

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On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:33:40 -0400, Sue Romer wrote:

> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20071017/
bs_nf/56073;_ylt=Ag8nNmACRlCEbAitLafU9IUjtBAF
>
>
> While Linux is well established in the data center and as an embedded OS
> in devices, it has never gained much traction on the desktop. Even
> Apple's 5 percent share of the desktop is miles beyond Linux adoption,
> which Net Applications ranks at less than 1 percent.

Does stating this make you feel good?



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"Rick" wrote in message
news:13hq3vsmog4tb3c@news.supernews.com...
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:33:40 -0400, Sue Romer wrote:
>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20071017/
> bs_nf/56073;_ylt=Ag8nNmACRlCEbAitLafU9IUjtBAF
>>
>>
>> While Linux is well established in the data center and as an embedded OS
>> in devices, it has never gained much traction on the desktop. Even
>> Apple's 5 percent share of the desktop is miles beyond Linux adoption,
>> which Net Applications ranks at less than 1 percent.
>

> Does stating this make you feel good?

Reading it gave me a boner.



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Rick wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:33:40 -0400, Sue Romer wrote:
>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20071017/
> bs_nf/56073;_ylt=Ag8nNmACRlCEbAitLafU9IUjtBAF
>>
>>
>> While Linux is well established in the data center and as an embedded OS
>> in devices, it has never gained much traction on the desktop. Even
>> Apple's 5 percent share of the desktop is miles beyond Linux adoption,
>> which Net Applications ranks at less than 1 percent.

> Does stating this make you feel good?

Funny then that Blammer stated *Linux* was the #1 threat to M$ & *not*
Apple. Funny too, that the M$ shills & trolls spend their time trying to
put *Linux* down & NOT Apple.... Go figure.

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William Poaster wrote:
> Rick wrote:
>> Sue Romer AKA 1st Lt Jean Poole, Barb Dwyer, Capt. James
>> Pike, Capt. Morgan, Captain Commando, Colonel Ichabod Conk,
>> Cpl. Kronk, Dr Gang Green, Dr. Disco, Dr. Fafoofnik, Dr.
>> Feelgood, Dr. GroundAxe, Dr. Hungwell, Dr. Hurt, Dr.
>> Livingston, Dr. McGillicudy, Dr. Pain, Dr. Seymour Butts,
>> Dr. Shlongwell, Dr. Shlongwell (aka your Boss), Dr. Smooth,
>> Dr. Zhivago, Gordon Glover, Lintard Luser, Lt. Stardust, Mr.
>> X, Ms. Polly Ester, Ofc. Michael Clayton, rafael (note the
>> nym-thief couldn't even leave poor Rafael alone), Randy
>> Oaks, Sgt. Wannacker, SgtMajor Gansevoort and Sir Michael
>> Clayton wrote:
>>
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20071017/
>>> bs_nf/56073;_ylt=Ag8nNmACRlCEbAitLafU9IUjtBAF
>>>
>>> While Linux is well established in the data center and as
>>> an embedded OS in devices, it has never gained much
>>> traction on the desktop. Even Apple's 5 percent share of
>>> the desktop is miles beyond Linux adoption, which Net
>>> Applications ranks at less than 1 percent.
>
>> Does stating this make you feel good?
>
> Funny then that Blammer stated *Linux* was the #1 threat to M$
> & *not* Apple. Funny too, that the M$ shills & trolls spend
> their time trying to put *Linux* down & NOT Apple.... Go
> figure.

Perhaps it is because Apple is in their back pocket?

http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles...7244.html?Ad=1

August 19, 1997
DOJ exploring Microsoft's Apple investment
Paul Thurrott

In addition to the investigation reported yesterday in WinInfo,
the U.S. Department of Justice is also looking into the
investment Microsoft made in Apple Computer two weeks ago. Though
Microsoft publicly committed to purchasing $150 million in
non-voting Apple stock, the company also paid Apple Computer an
undisclosed sum, thought to be in the hundreds of millions of
dollars range, to settle possible patent infringements and get a
cross-licensing deal with the Cupertino company.

Apple Computer has not yet responded to the DOJ investigation,
though Microsoft thought enough of it to issue a press release
yesterday. Officially, Microsoft is unconcerned.

--
HPT

"High Plains Thumper" wrote in message
news:ffjccn$ag9$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> William Poaster wrote:
>> Rick wrote:

> [quote]
> August 19, 1997


Wow - The troll found an article that's over 10 years old. Linux users -
we'll give you yesterdays news tomorrow. Kinda like linux and that new "Fast
user switching" innovation that XP has had for about 6 years now.




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High Plains Thumper wrote:
> William Poaster wrote:
>> Rick wrote:
>>> Sue Romer AKA 1st Lt Jean Poole, Barb Dwyer, Capt. James
>>> Pike, Capt. Morgan, Captain Commando, Colonel Ichabod
>>> Conk, Cpl. Kronk, Dr Gang Green, Dr. Disco, Dr. Fafoofnik,
>>> Dr. Feelgood, Dr. GroundAxe, Dr. Hungwell, Dr. Hurt, Dr.
>>> Livingston, Dr. McGillicudy, Dr. Pain, Dr. Seymour Butts,
>>> Dr. Shlongwell, Dr. Shlongwell (aka your Boss), Dr.
>>> Smooth, Dr. Zhivago, Gordon Glover, Lintard Luser, Lt.
>>> Stardust, Mr. X, Ms. Polly Ester, Ofc. Michael Clayton,
>>> rafael (note the nym-thief couldn't even leave poor Rafael
>>> alone), Randy Oaks, Sgt. Wannacker, SgtMajor Gansevoort
>>> and Sir Michael Clayton wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20071017/
>>>> bs_nf/56073;_ylt=Ag8nNmACRlCEbAitLafU9IUjtBAF
>>>>
>>>> While Linux is well established in the data center and
>>>> as an embedded OS in devices, it has never gained much
>>>> traction on the desktop. Even Apple's 5 percent share of
>>>> the desktop is miles beyond Linux adoption, which Net
>>>> Applications ranks at less than 1 percent.

Oh, I wanted to add:

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

Web Statistics and Trends

Statistics are important information. From the statistics below,
collected from W3Schools' log-files over a period of five years,
you can extract the long and medium-term trends of operating
system usage.

OS Platform Statistics

Windows XP is the most popular operating system. The windows
family counts for nearly 90%:

2007 WinXP W2000 Win98 Vista W2003 Linux Mac
Sep. 74.3% 5.4% 0.9% 4.5% 2.0% 3.4% 3.8%

Linux is shown neck and neck with Apple, which is greater than
the troll's less than 1% it quotes.

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Simon Templar AKA Sue Romer, 1st Lt Jean Poole, Barb Dwyer, Capt.
James Pike, Capt. Morgan, Captain Commando, Colonel Ichabod Conk,
Cpl. Kronk, Dr Gang Green, Dr. Disco, Dr. Fafoofnik, Dr.
Feelgood, Dr. GroundAxe, Dr. Hungwell, Dr. Hurt, Dr. Livingston,
Dr. McGillicudy, Dr. Pain, Dr. Seymour Butts, Dr. Shlongwell, Dr.
Shlongwell (aka your Boss), Dr. Smooth, Dr. Zhivago, Gordon
Glover, Lintard Luser, Lt. Stardust, Mr. X, Ms. Polly Ester, Ofc.
Michael Clayton, rafael (note the nym-thief couldn't even leave
poor Rafael alone), Randy Oaks, Sgt. Wannacker, SgtMajor
Gansevoort and Sir Michael Clayton wrote:
> "High Plains Thumper" wrote...
>> William Poaster wrote:
>>> Rick wrote:
>
>> [quote] August 19, 1997
>
> Wow - The troll found an article that's over 10 years old.
> Linux users - we'll give you yesterdays news tomorrow. Kinda
> like linux and that new "Fast user switching" innovation that
> XP has had for about 6 years now.

Except that by GUI, Linux preceded that several years prior to XP
and since the inception of Linux. I was doing "switch user" on
Computervision Unix workstations in the mid 1980's. It is odd
how that over 20 years later, now we have innovation because
Microsoft decided to add that to XP.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/

7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics

When your tactics are turned on you, call you opponents trolls.
Do not accept the fact that by calling someone using your tactics
a troll that makes you the real troll.

--
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"Dan D. Lyons" wrote:
>
[snip]

> Yet after 10 years of being 100% free and Windows being claimed as being so
> very expensive most everybody uses Windows and nobody uses linux. Says a lot
> about what average people think about linux don't it? They would rather pay
> hundreds of $$$ than use something that is available in abundance for free.

Its not so much a question of cost as it is skill level. I'm willing to
concede that there is a high learning curve to switch from Windows to
Linux. Less so now than in the past, but those with very low demands on
an O/S aren't going to invest the time needed. Even if the cost and
performance are higher after the switch is made.

IMO, Linux is growing in exactly the correct markets. Those who need
higher performance, more reliable systems are more likely to switch,
leaving the rest behind.

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On 2007-10-22, High Plains Thumper wrote:
> Perhaps it is because Apple is in their back pocket?
>
> http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles...7244.html?Ad=1

Seven year old article, fails to back your claim (non-voting shares),
and Microsoft sold those shares a long time ago. Are you trying to do
an impression of Daeron?

Tim Smith wrote:
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> Perhaps it is because Apple is in their back pocket?
>>
>> http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles...7244.html?Ad=1
>
> Seven year old article, fails to back your claim (non-voting
> shares), and Microsoft sold those shares a long time ago. Are
> you trying to do an impression of Daeron?

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/st...8/smallb6.html

Con: These ancillary arrangements mean that Gates will have a
significant, albeit nonvoting, role in future Apple directions.

Con: The agreement between Apple and Microsoft calls for Apple to
package Internet Explorer with all-new computers made by Apple.
Netscape has already complained that Microsoft engages in unfair
competition, so it's almost certain that the DOJ will challenge
this deal. Obviously, it violates antitrust legislation.

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On Oct 22, 7:58 pm, High Plains Thumper
wrote:
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
> > William Poaster wrote:
> >> Rick wrote:
> >>> Sue Romer AKA 1st Lt Jean Poole, Barb Dwyer, Capt. James
> >>> Pike, Capt. Morgan, Captain Commando, Colonel Ichabod
> >>> Conk, Cpl. Kronk, Dr Gang Green, Dr. Disco, Dr. Fafoofnik,
> >>> Dr. Feelgood, Dr. GroundAxe, Dr. Hungwell, Dr. Hurt, Dr.
> >>> Livingston, Dr. McGillicudy, Dr. Pain, Dr. Seymour Butts,
> >>> Dr. Shlongwell, Dr. Shlongwell (aka your Boss), Dr.
> >>> Smooth, Dr. Zhivago, Gordon Glover, Lintard Luser, Lt.
> >>> Stardust, Mr. X, Ms. Polly Ester, Ofc. Michael Clayton,
> >>> rafael (note the nym-thief couldn't even leave poor Rafael
> >>> alone), Randy Oaks, Sgt. Wannacker, SgtMajor Gansevoort
> >>> and Sir Michael Clayton wrote:
>
> >>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20071017/
> >>>> bs_nf/56073;_ylt=Ag8nNmACRlCEbAitLafU9IUjtBAF
>
> >>>> While Linux is well established in the data center and
> >>>> as an embedded OS in devices, it has never gained much
> >>>> traction on the desktop. Even Apple's 5 percent share of
> >>>> the desktop is miles beyond Linux adoption, which Net
> >>>> Applications ranks at less than 1 percent.
>
> Oh, I wanted to add:
>
> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
>
>

> Web Statistics and Trends
>
> Statistics are important information. From the statistics below,
> collected from W3Schools' log-files over a period of five years,
> you can extract the long and medium-term trends of operating
> system usage.
>
> OS Platform Statistics
>
> Windows XP is the most popular operating system. The windows
> family counts for nearly 90%:
>
> 2007 WinXP W2000 Win98 Vista W2003 Linux Mac
> Sep. 74.3% 5.4% 0.9% 4.5% 2.0% 3.4% 3.8%
>

>
> Linux is shown neck and neck with Apple, which is greater than
> the troll's less than 1% it quotes.
>

So those stats are legit now?

Dan D. Lyons wrote:

> If any car was 100% free then it would have nearly 100% market share no
> matter how aggressive Toyota was.

But windows is free when you purchase a computer.

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Dan D. Lyons wrote:

>(snip)

Don't you know you're stupid?

*plonk*