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  1. Re: Report shows linux desktop use - far less than 1%

    Rex Ballard wrote:
    > On Oct 23, 3:11 am, Gregory Shearman wrote:
    >> Dan D. Lyons wrote:
    >>> If any car was 100% free then it would have nearly 100% market
    >>> share no matter how aggressive Toyota was.

    >
    >
    >> But windows is free when you purchase a computer.

    >
    > Actually, Windows is part of the price of the computer whether it's
    > installed or not. The OEMs pay for the licenses, and the price they
    > pay is based on minimum commitments made. For example, a small
    > retailer might have to charge $120/copy for OEM licenses installed on
    > custom configured computers. A company like Dell or HP makes a
    > minimum commitment of 120% of their previous years sales to get
    > discounted prices that can be as low as $30 per PC. A minumum
    > commitment of 119% would bring the price to $60 per PC. As a result,
    > if they sold 10 million computers the previous year, they could get 10
    > million licenses for $600 million, or they could get 12 million
    > licenses for $360 million. It's not hard to figure out which deal to
    > go with.


    You made up every number here...


    > The problem is that these licenses can't be sold to other OEMs, can't
    > be sold at retail, and can't be sold to customer who haven't purchased
    > that computer. Secondly, the software has to preinstalled on the
    > computer as provided by Microsoft. Any alterations in the
    > configuration must be approved in writing by Microsoft. Until the
    > Antitrust ruling, the only way an OEM could sell a PC without
    > preinstalling Windows, was to sell it without a hard drive.


    ....you made up every claim here...


    > Microsoft hopes to replace 100 million copies of Office 2000 and
    > Office XP with Office 2007. Open Office has picked up 300 million NEW
    > users in the last year. Microsoft hopes to replace 100 million
    > existing copies of IE 6 with IE7 this year. Last year, FireFox was
    > installed on the desktops of nearly 500 million NEW users.


    ....and you made up every number here.



    > We know there are over 100 Linux distributions, so there must be SOME
    > kind of market.


    There are more than 500 droppings listed on distrowatch.




  2. Re: Report shows linux desktop use - far less than 1%

    DFS did eloquently scribble:
    > Rex Ballard wrote:
    >> On Oct 23, 3:11 am, Gregory Shearman wrote:
    >>> Dan D. Lyons wrote:
    >>>> If any car was 100% free then it would have nearly 100% market
    >>>> share no matter how aggressive Toyota was.

    >>
    >>
    >>> But windows is free when you purchase a computer.

    >>
    >> Actually, Windows is part of the price of the computer whether it's
    >> installed or not. The OEMs pay for the licenses, and the price they
    >> pay is based on minimum commitments made. For example, a small
    >> retailer might have to charge $120/copy for OEM licenses installed on
    >> custom configured computers. A company like Dell or HP makes a
    >> minimum commitment of 120% of their previous years sales to get
    >> discounted prices that can be as low as $30 per PC. A minumum
    >> commitment of 119% would bring the price to $60 per PC. As a result,
    >> if they sold 10 million computers the previous year, they could get 10
    >> million licenses for $600 million, or they could get 12 million
    >> licenses for $360 million. It's not hard to figure out which deal to
    >> go with.


    > You made up every number here...


    Let's have the real ones then.

    >> Microsoft hopes to replace 100 million copies of Office 2000 and
    >> Office XP with Office 2007. Open Office has picked up 300 million NEW
    >> users in the last year. Microsoft hopes to replace 100 million
    >> existing copies of IE 6 with IE7 this year. Last year, FireFox was
    >> installed on the desktops of nearly 500 million NEW users.


    > ...and you made up every number here.


    Let's have the real ones then.

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  3. Re: Report shows linux desktop use - far less than 1%

    On Oct 19, 9:33 am, "Sue Romer" wrote:
    > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20071017/...8nNmACRlCEbAit...
    >
    > While Linux is well established in the data center and as an embedded OS in
    > devices, it has never gained much traction on the desktop. Even Apple's 5
    > percent share of the desktop is miles beyond Linux adoption, which Net
    > Applications ranks at less than 1 percent.



    Here are some actual numbers:
    >From http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp (a Windows

    site).


    OS Platform Statistics

    Windows XP is the most popular operating system. The windows family
    counts for nearly 90%:
    2007 WinXP W2000 Win98 Vista W2003 Linux Mac Other Total Linux
    September 74.30% 5.40% 0.90% 4.50% 2.00% 3.40% 3.80% 5.70% 7.70%
    August 74.40% 5.70% 0.90% 4.00% 2.00% 3.40% 3.90% 5.70% 7.70%
    July 74.60% 6.00% 0.90% 3.60% 2.00% 3.40% 4.00% 5.50% 7.50%
    June 74.60% 6.20% 0.90% 3.20% 2.00% 3.40% 4.00% 5.70% 7.70%
    May 75.00% 6.50% 0.90% 2.80% 1.90% 3.40% 3.90% 5.60% 7.50%
    April 75.80% 6.80% 0.90% 2.60% 1.90% 3.40% 3.90% 4.70% 6.60%
    March 76.00% 7.20% 0.90% 1.90% 1.90% 3.40% 3.80% 4.90% 6.80%
    February 76.10% 7.40% 0.90% 1.20% 1.90% 3.50% 3.80% 5.20% 7.10%
    January 76.10% 7.70% 1.00% 0.60% 1.90% 3.60% 3.80% 5.30% 7.20%

    Remember, that Linux browsers make up about 90% of the "other"
    catagory because they use generic OS signatures.
    Apple gained 1/10th of a percent of the installed base. Linux gained
    almost 1.1%

    Yet, Apple sold 2 million Macs this quarter, - about 12% of the total
    market.

    A bit of algebra - looks like Linux added about 20 million units this
    year - about 110% of the market.
    And Vista - also up 1%. Looks like Linux is beating everybody.



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  4. Re: Report shows linux desktop use - far less than 1%


    "Rex Ballard" wrote in message
    news:1193149335.150873.61820@q3g2000prf.googlegrou ps.com...
    > On Oct 19, 9:33 am, "Sue Romer" wrote:
    >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20071017/...8nNmACRlCEbAit...
    >>
    >> While Linux is well established in the data center and as an embedded OS
    >> in
    >> devices, it has never gained much traction on the desktop. Even Apple's 5
    >> percent share of the desktop is miles beyond Linux adoption, which Net
    >> Applications ranks at less than 1 percent.

    >
    >
    > Here are some actual numbers:
    >>From http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp (a Windows

    > site).
    >
    >
    > OS Platform Statistics
    >
    > Windows XP is the most popular operating system. The windows family
    > counts for nearly 90%:
    > 2007 WinXP W2000 Win98 Vista W2003 Linux Mac Other Total Linux
    > September 74.30% 5.40% 0.90% 4.50% 2.00% 3.40% 3.80% 5.70% 7.70%
    > August 74.40% 5.70% 0.90% 4.00% 2.00% 3.40% 3.90% 5.70% 7.70%
    > July 74.60% 6.00% 0.90% 3.60% 2.00% 3.40% 4.00% 5.50% 7.50%
    > June 74.60% 6.20% 0.90% 3.20% 2.00% 3.40% 4.00% 5.70% 7.70%
    > May 75.00% 6.50% 0.90% 2.80% 1.90% 3.40% 3.90% 5.60% 7.50%
    > April 75.80% 6.80% 0.90% 2.60% 1.90% 3.40% 3.90% 4.70% 6.60%
    > March 76.00% 7.20% 0.90% 1.90% 1.90% 3.40% 3.80% 4.90% 6.80%
    > February 76.10% 7.40% 0.90% 1.20% 1.90% 3.50% 3.80% 5.20% 7.10%
    > January 76.10% 7.70% 1.00% 0.60% 1.90% 3.60% 3.80% 5.30% 7.20%
    >



    > Remember, that Linux browsers make up about 90% of the "other"
    > catagory because they use generic OS signatures.


    Says who - you? So according to you this "other" category is 90% linux. I
    guess all those smart-phones, Blackberry's, Palm Pilots, iPhones, Windows CE
    based PDA's, WebTV and everything else doesn't add up to much of anything.
    It's (of course) all linux.

    Yeah, right.





    > Apple gained 1/10th of a percent of the installed base. Linux gained
    > almost 1.1%
    >
    > Yet, Apple sold 2 million Macs this quarter, - about 12% of the total
    > market.
    >



    > A bit of algebra - looks like Linux added about 20 million units this
    > year - about 110% of the market.
    > And Vista - also up 1%. Looks like Linux is beating everybody.


    The algebra is correct. Your assumptions are not.



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  5. Re: Report shows linux desktop use - far less than 1%


    "Rex Ballard" wrote in message
    news:1193142965.674763.74350@v23g2000prn.googlegro ups.com...
    > On Oct 23, 3:11 am, Gregory Shearman wrote:
    >> Dan D. Lyons wrote:
    >> > If any car was 100% free then it would have nearly 100% market share no
    >> > matter how aggressive Toyota was.

    >
    > Remember, for almost 20 years Ford ONLY offered the Model T and you
    > could only get it in black. If Ford had mandated that all car dealers
    > sold ONLY Model Ts, demanded that they be sold ONLY "AS IS", with
    > absolutely no modifications allowed, required special tools for the
    > mechanics, and jailed any mechanic who attempted to alter or modify a
    > Model T in any way, it would have had a chilling effect on the
    > industry.


    More likely that it would have had a chilling effect on Ford and Willys
    would be in much better shape.

    But Ford, being an astute businessman, continued to give the public what it
    wanted, even as the public's tastes changed over time. Microsoft does the
    very same thing. It is the FOSS advocates, with their whining about
    standards and strict adherence to them that cause the progress of man to
    stutter and shake. If it is always standard, it will never get any better.


  6. Re: Report shows linux desktop use - far less than 1%

    amicus_curious wrote:

    >But Ford, being an astute businessman, continued to give the public what it
    >wanted, even as the public's tastes changed over time.


    He had to - he did not have the larket power to control what was being
    offered for sale, and it was easy for customers to switch to the
    competing product.

    >Microsoft does the very same thing.


    Liar.

    Micro$oft only gives the customer what Micro$oft thinks is best for
    Micro$oft. They can get away with this, because they have the market
    power to control what's being offered for sale, and it is not easy for
    customers to switch to the competing products.

    > It is the FOSS advocates, with their whining about
    >standards and strict adherence to them that cause the progress of man to
    >stutter and shake.


    LOL You disgusting piece of ****.

    >If it is always standard, it will never get any better.


    Again in English?


  7. Re: Report shows linux desktop use - far less than 1%

    spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:
    > DFS did eloquently scribble:
    >> Rex Ballard wrote:


    >>> Actually, Windows is part of the price of the computer whether it's
    >>> installed or not. The OEMs pay for the licenses, and the price they
    >>> pay is based on minimum commitments made. For example, a small
    >>> retailer might have to charge $120/copy for OEM licenses installed
    >>> on custom configured computers. A company like Dell or HP makes a
    >>> minimum commitment of 120% of their previous years sales to get
    >>> discounted prices that can be as low as $30 per PC. A minumum
    >>> commitment of 119% would bring the price to $60 per PC. As a
    >>> result, if they sold 10 million computers the previous year, they
    >>> could get 10 million licenses for $600 million, or they could get
    >>> 12 million licenses for $360 million. It's not hard to figure out
    >>> which deal to go with.

    >
    >> You made up every number here...

    >
    > Let's have the real ones then.


    Nobody but Microsoft and the licensing/contract personnel at each OEM knows
    the real numbers. Rex sure doesn't. I sure don't.



    >>> Microsoft hopes to replace 100 million copies of Office 2000 and
    >>> Office XP with Office 2007. Open Office has picked up 300 million
    >>> NEW users in the last year. Microsoft hopes to replace 100 million
    >>> existing copies of IE 6 with IE7 this year. Last year, FireFox was
    >>> installed on the desktops of nearly 500 million NEW users.

    >
    >> ...and you made up every number here.

    >
    > Let's have the real ones then.


    Only MS knows how many existing Office seats they want to upgrade, and
    nobody knows how many new OpenOffice or Firefox users there were.

    Rex certainly has NO idea, but since he's a self-proclaimed Visionary For
    The Linux Community the figures must have come to him in a vision (though my
    guess is his pantyhose were too tight, and he got lightheaded and imagined
    it all).




  8. Re: Report shows linux desktop use - far less than 1%

    On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:51:44 -0400, amicus_curious wrote:

    > But Ford, being an astute businessman, continued to give the public what
    > it wanted, even as the public's tastes changed over time.



    That's an ass backwards explanation for competition in the market place.



    -Thufir

  9. Re: Report shows linux desktop use - far less than 1%

    Tim Smith wrote:

    > are you trying to do an impression of Daeron?


    **** off winTROLL ...

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