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  1. [News] Microsoft Under Fire Over E-mail Mess, Windows Zombie Spewage, Broken Filtering

    Admins accuse Microsoft of Draconian Hotmail cap

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | Life can be tough when you're one of the globe's biggest email providers.
    | Just ask Hotmail. Users get upset enough when come-ons for Viagra slip
    | through the cracks of the Microsoft-owned service. But there's just as much
    | hell to pay when its war on spam snuffs out legitimate emails.
    `----

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10...ts_on_hotmail/


    Related:

    It’s ME vs. MICROSOFT - Who Will Win ?

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | Now, the only problem with #1 is that IT DOES NOT WORK. When Microsoft
    | blackholes your email, or bounces it with “550 Your e-mail was rejected for
    | policy reasons on this gateway.“, no amount of client whitelisting is going
    | to help (I tried it). This leaves me with option #2 - well I say “F-You
    | Microsoft, I’m not paying for YOUR STUPID MISTAKES!” * *
    `----

    http://success.grownupgeek.com/index...-who-will-win/


    If Intent Can Be Proven, Microsoft Could Face Millions Of Mail Fraud Charges

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | The final results bore out the "conventional wisdom." If emails were donuts,
    | Hotmail would be HomerSimpsonMail. I don't need to reiterate the figures,
    | there they are in blue and red. But for a Hotmail account to destroy up to
    | 81% of all emails with attachments prior to their delivery to a "generic" ISP
    | email account is nothing short of absurd, as these Hotmail accounts were not
    | the free variety, but the fully paid ones. Compare those figures to the ones
    | where the generic ISP email accounts exchanged emails with attachments and
    | you will clearly see the difference. The worst performance was in making 2%
    | Vanish.
    `----

    http://hubpages.com/hub/Hotmail_Fail...achment_Emails


    Botnet army' behind tenfold rise in 'attachment' spam

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | "No one but the spam group knows how many PCs they can control with this
    | spambot, it is assumed to be a high five figure number. If each of the PCs is
    | instructed to send 200-300 spam messages containing a PDF attachment the
    | spammers can send hundreds or millions of spam messages in a day - equivalent
    | to 25 percent of all spam sent on a given day." * *
    `----

    http://www.itwire.com/index.php?opti...66&Itemid=1054


    Hotmail engine overhaul

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | The redesign effort, even its more ambitious aspects, is not
    | a total wash, however.
    |
    | [...]
    |
    | With Hotmail, Microsoft was at the end of its development rope.
    | Every new feature basically had to be "hacked" into the code.
    `----

    http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6...ml?tag=st.next


    A Hybrid Approach to E-Mail: The Best of Both Worlds

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | Given corporations' existing investments and their potential need to
    | support additional Microsoft Exchange-compatible applications in the
    | future, this hybrid open/proprietary approach will only work if it
    | allows users to drop in an e-mail server without making changes to
    | desktops or infrastructure.
    |
    | [...]
    |
    | A better approach employs a product that is compatible at the
    | network-protocol level with the existing infrastructure. Outlook
    | on the desktop will "think" it is talking to Exchange when it is
    | really talking to the new Linux e-mail server, and end users do
    | not know they are on a different server. IT professionals get a
    | Linux e-mail server with higher performance, that uses lower-cost
    | storage, and that works with existing datacenter applications such
    | as Active Directory.
    `----

    http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/57232.html


    Hotmail's antispam measures snuff out legit emails, too

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | Hotmail users and email server admins, beware: you may be unknowingly
    | caught in the crossfire of Microsoft's war on spam. Unintended
    | casualties include legitimate emails from domains with
    | well-established reputations, which are systematically blocked
    | with absolutely no notice and little recourse.
    `----

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05...friendly_fire/


    Hotmail still riddled with spam

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | Microsoft has admitted that up to 98 per cent of messages sent to
    | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    | Hotmail addresses are spam.
    | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    |
    | [...]
    |
    | The findings will disappoint Microsoft chairman Bill Gates, who
    | predicted at the 2004 Davos World Economic Forum that spam would
    | be "eliminated" within two years.
    `----

    http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21...ed-spam-admits


    Vista: What To Do When You Cannot Delete a Message in Windows Mail

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | A number of users are experiencing problems with Windows Mail and
    | deleting messages from the Inbox and Outbox. The message will first
    | become unviewable in the reading pane and will then generate an
    | error when you try to delete it.
    `----

    http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2270/...n_windows_mail


    Microsoft looking into Hotmail, Messenger problems

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | Microsoft engineers were looking into problems with Windows Live
    | Hotmail and Live Messenger on Thursday after users reported
    | problems getting onto the services.
    `----

    http://news.com.com/2061-10805_3-6175597.html


    Microsoft shipped OneCare unfinished?

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | Since shipping in May, OneCare has failed industry tests and exposed
    | users to attack because of a security flaw in the antivirus engine.
    | The application also incorrectly flagged Gmail as a virus and in some
    | cases quarantined or even deleted complete in-boxes when a single
    | e-mail was laden with a virus.
    `----

    http://news.com.com/2061-10789_3-616...0-20&subj=news


    Microsoft is the world's biggest cause of zombie remailers

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | In China, it would take about one and one-half years wages (for the
    | average Chinese) to buy a legitimate copy of Windows Vista. If you
    | could find it here.
    |
    | Microsoft is the biggest cause of zombie remailers in the world,
    | because they make noises, but do not do anything to address the
    | real digital inequities in the world.
    `----

    http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38202

  2. Re: Microsoft Under Fire Over E-mail Mess, Windows Zombie Spewage, Broken Filtering

    On Oct 17, 7:42 am, Roy Schestowitz
    wrote:
    > Admins accuse Microsoft of Draconian Hotmail cap
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    > | Life can be tough when you're one of the globe's biggest email providers.
    > | Just ask Hotmail. Users get upset enough when come-ons for Viagra slip
    > | through the cracks of the Microsoft-owned service. But there's just as much
    > | hell to pay when its war on spam snuffs out legitimate emails.
    > `----
    >
    > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10...ts_on_hotmail/
    >
    > Related:
    >
    > It's ME vs. MICROSOFT - Who Will Win ?
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    > | Now, the only problem with #1 is that IT DOES NOT WORK. When Microsoft
    > | blackholes your email, or bounces it with "550 Your e-mail was rejected for
    > | policy reasons on this gateway.", no amount of client whitelisting is going
    > | to help (I tried it). This leaves me with option #2 - well I say "F-You
    > | Microsoft, I'm not paying for YOUR STUPID MISTAKES!"
    > `----
    >
    > http://success.grownupgeek.com/index...-me-vs-microso...
    >
    > If Intent Can Be Proven, Microsoft Could Face Millions Of Mail Fraud Charges
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    > | The final results bore out the "conventional wisdom." If emails were donuts,
    > | Hotmail would be HomerSimpsonMail. I don't need to reiterate the figures,
    > | there they are in blue and red. But for a Hotmail account to destroy up to
    > | 81% of all emails with attachments prior to their delivery to a "generic" ISP
    > | email account is nothing short of absurd, as these Hotmail accounts were not
    > | the free variety, but the fully paid ones. Compare those figures to the ones
    > | where the generic ISP email accounts exchanged emails with attachments and
    > | you will clearly see the difference. The worst performance was in making 2%
    > | Vanish.
    > `----
    >
    > http://hubpages.com/hub/Hotmail_Fail...81_Of_All_Atta...
    >
    > Botnet army' behind tenfold rise in 'attachment' spam
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    > | "No one but the spam group knows how many PCs they can control with this
    > | spambot, it is assumed to be a high five figure number. If each of the PCs is
    > | instructed to send 200-300 spam messages containing a PDF attachment the
    > | spammers can send hundreds or millions of spam messages in a day - equivalent
    > | to 25 percent of all spam sent on a given day."
    > `----
    >
    > http://www.itwire.com/index.php?opti...=view&id=13866...
    >
    > Hotmail engine overhaul
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    > | The redesign effort, even its more ambitious aspects, is not
    > | a total wash, however.
    > |
    > | [...]
    > |
    > | With Hotmail, Microsoft was at the end of its development rope.
    > | Every new feature basically had to be "hacked" into the code.
    > `----
    >
    > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6...ml?tag=st.next
    >
    > A Hybrid Approach to E-Mail: The Best of Both Worlds
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    > | Given corporations' existing investments and their potential need to
    > | support additional Microsoft Exchange-compatible applications in the
    > | future, this hybrid open/proprietary approach will only work if it
    > | allows users to drop in an e-mail server without making changes to
    > | desktops or infrastructure.
    > |
    > | [...]
    > |
    > | A better approach employs a product that is compatible at the
    > | network-protocol level with the existing infrastructure. Outlook
    > | on the desktop will "think" it is talking to Exchange when it is
    > | really talking to the new Linux e-mail server, and end users do
    > | not know they are on a different server. IT professionals get a
    > | Linux e-mail server with higher performance, that uses lower-cost
    > | storage, and that works with existing datacenter applications such
    > | as Active Directory.
    > `----
    >
    > http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/57232.html
    >
    > Hotmail's antispam measures snuff out legit emails, too
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    > | Hotmail users and email server admins, beware: you may be unknowingly
    > | caught in the crossfire of Microsoft's war on spam. Unintended
    > | casualties include legitimate emails from domains with
    > | well-established reputations, which are systematically blocked
    > | with absolutely no notice and little recourse.
    > `----
    >
    > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05...friendly_fire/
    >
    > Hotmail still riddled with spam
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    > | Microsoft has admitted that up to 98 per cent of messages sent to
    > | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    > | Hotmail addresses are spam.
    > | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    > |
    > | [...]
    > |
    > | The findings will disappoint Microsoft chairman Bill Gates, who
    > | predicted at the 2004 Davos World Economic Forum that spam would
    > | be "eliminated" within two years.
    > `----
    >
    > http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21...ed-spam-admits
    >
    > Vista: What To Do When You Cannot Delete a Message in Windows Mail
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    > | A number of users are experiencing problems with Windows Mail and
    > | deleting messages from the Inbox and Outbox. The message will first
    > | become unviewable in the reading pane and will then generate an
    > | error when you try to delete it.
    > `----
    >
    > http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2270/...en_you_cannot_...
    >
    > Microsoft looking into Hotmail, Messenger problems
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    > | Microsoft engineers were looking into problems with Windows Live
    > | Hotmail and Live Messenger on Thursday after users reported
    > | problems getting onto the services.
    > `----
    >
    > http://news.com.com/2061-10805_3-6175597.html
    >
    > Microsoft shipped OneCare unfinished?
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    > | Since shipping in May, OneCare has failed industry tests and exposed
    > | users to attack because of a security flaw in the antivirus engine.
    > | The application also incorrectly flagged Gmail as a virus and in some
    > | cases quarantined or even deleted complete in-boxes when a single
    > | e-mail was laden with a virus.
    > `----
    >
    > http://news.com.com/2061-10789_3-616...tag=2547-1_3-0...
    >
    > Microsoft is the world's biggest cause of zombie remailers
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    > | In China, it would take about one and one-half years wages (for the
    > | average Chinese) to buy a legitimate copy of Windows Vista. If you
    > | could find it here.
    > |
    > | Microsoft is the biggest cause of zombie remailers in the world,
    > | because they make noises, but do not do anything to address the
    > | real digital inequities in the world.
    > `----
    >
    > http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38202


    My wife, who refuses to get off her hotmail account, has emails from
    me and friends dropped, seemingly randomly. I can never reliably
    communicate with her. Also, they make you pay if you want to export
    the address book. There may be ways around this---I am trying to
    research it---but certainly you can't cut and paste out of the address
    book. It was obviously a deliberate decision not to allow this. And
    my wife does not want to type in all her email addresses again. With
    the latest troubles, she may be ready to switch, however.


  3. Re: Microsoft Under Fire Over E-mail Mess, Windows Zombie Spewage, Broken Filtering

    ____/ nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu on Wednesday 17 October 2007 21:54 : \____

    > My wife, who refuses to get off her hotmail account, has emails from
    > me and friends dropped, seemingly randomly. *I can never reliably
    > communicate with her. * Also, they make you pay if you want to export
    > the address book. *There may be ways around this---I am trying to
    > research it---but certainly you can't cut and paste out of the address
    > book. *It was obviously a deliberate decision not to allow this. *And
    > my wife does not want to type in all her email addresses again. *With
    > the latest troubles, she may be ready to switch, however.


    Yes, I know the feeling. My communications with my grandpa led to tension
    because Hotmail, which he uses, keeps killing E-mails (no indication of this
    when it happens).

    As for the letter part (lockin), that's just nasty and brutal. Schmidy has
    openly protested against lockin in such services. And only a week or so ago
    some pig was telling an audience in London that Google is reading people's
    E-mails... not talking about his own product... not about the qualities of
    it... let alone the ditry little secrets, such as the lockin you describe.

    Horrible.

    --
    ~~ Best of wishes

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  4. Re: Microsoft Under Fire Over E-mail Mess, Windows Zombie Spewage, Broken Filtering

    nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu wrote:

    > My wife, who refuses to get off her hotmail account, has emails from
    > me and friends dropped, seemingly randomly. I can never reliably
    > communicate with her.


    She's from Venus. What do you expect?



    > Also, they make you pay if you want to export
    > the address book.


    How do they do that again? Where's that option on the Hotmail screen?



    > There may be ways around this---I am trying to
    > research it---but certainly you can't cut and paste out of the address
    > book.


    Not only can you cut and paste (at least using Windows Live Hotmail), on the
    main email mgmt screen there's an Options button. Click it, then choose
    Export Contacts and another screen comes up that says:

    "You can export your contacts to a CSV file format. This allows you to save
    them to your computer or transfer them to other e-mail services."

    Click the button and it generates a .csv file of all your contacts and all
    the data fields:

    Title,First Name,Middle Name,Last Name,Suffix,Company,Department,Job
    Title,Business Street,Business City,Business State,Business Postal
    Code,Business Country,Home Street,Home City,Home State,Home Postal Code,Home
    Country,Business Fax,Business Phone,Business Phone 2,Callback,Car
    Phone,Company Main Phone,Home Fax,Home Phone,Home Phone 2,ISDN,Mobile
    Phone,Other Fax,Other Phone,Pager,Primary Phone,Radio Phone,TTY/TDD
    Phone,Telex,Account,Anniversary,Assistant's Name,Billing
    Information,Birthday,Business Address PO Box,Categories,Children,Company
    Yomi,Directory Server,E-mail Address,E-mail Type,E-mail Display Name,E-mail
    2 Address,E-mail 2 Type,E-mail 2 Display Name,E-mail 3 Address,E-mail 3
    Type,E-mail 3 Display Name,Gender,Given Yomi,Government ID Number,Hobby,Home
    Address PO Box,Initials,Internet Free
    Busy,Keywords,Language,Location,Manager's Name,Mileage,Notes,Office
    Location,Organizational ID Number,Other Address PO
    Box,Priority,Private,Profession,Referred By,Sensitivity,Spouse,Surname
    Yomi,User 1,User 2,Web Page
    ,test,,contact,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,test.contact@hotmail.com,SMTP,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ,test2,,contact,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,test2,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,




    > It was obviously a deliberate decision not to allow this.


    Obviously you're wrong, like all "advocates" are when they blame MS every
    time they stub their toe.





  5. Re: Microsoft Under Fire Over E-mail Mess, Windows Zombie Spewage, Broken Filtering

    On Oct 17, 7:26 pm, "DFS" wrote:
    > ness...@wigner.berkeley.edu wrote:
    > > My wife, who refuses to get off her hotmail account, has emails from
    > > me and friends dropped, seemingly randomly. I can never reliably
    > > communicate with her.

    >
    > She's from Venus. What do you expect?
    >
    > > Also, they make you pay if you want to export
    > > the address book.

    >
    > How do they do that again? Where's that option on the Hotmail screen?
    >
    > > There may be ways around this---I am trying to
    > > research it---but certainly you can't cut and paste out of the address
    > > book.

    >
    > Not only can you cut and paste (at least using Windows Live Hotmail), on the
    > main email mgmt screen there's an Options button. Click it, then choose
    > Export Contacts and another screen comes up that says:
    >
    > "You can export your contacts to a CSV file format. This allows you to save
    > them to your computer or transfer them to other e-mail services."
    >
    > Click the button and it generates a .csv file of all your contacts and all
    > the data fields:
    >
    > Title,First Name,Middle Name,Last Name,Suffix,Company,Department,Job
    > Title,Business Street,Business City,Business State,Business Postal
    > Code,Business Country,Home Street,Home City,Home State,Home Postal Code,Home
    > Country,Business Fax,Business Phone,Business Phone 2,Callback,Car
    > Phone,Company Main Phone,Home Fax,Home Phone,Home Phone 2,ISDN,Mobile
    > Phone,Other Fax,Other Phone,Pager,Primary Phone,Radio Phone,TTY/TDD
    > Phone,Telex,Account,Anniversary,Assistant's Name,Billing
    > Information,Birthday,Business Address PO Box,Categories,Children,Company
    > Yomi,Directory Server,E-mail Address,E-mail Type,E-mail Display Name,E-mail
    > 2 Address,E-mail 2 Type,E-mail 2 Display Name,E-mail 3 Address,E-mail 3
    > Type,E-mail 3 Display Name,Gender,Given Yomi,Government ID Number,Hobby,Home
    > Address PO Box,Initials,Internet Free
    > Busy,Keywords,Language,Location,Manager's Name,Mileage,Notes,Office
    > Location,Organizational ID Number,Other Address PO
    > Box,Priority,Private,Profession,Referred By,Sensitivity,Spouse,Surname
    > Yomi,User 1,User 2,Web Page
    > ,test,,contact,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,test.cont...@hotmail.com,SMTP,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    > ,test2,,contact,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,test2,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    >
    > > It was obviously a deliberate decision not to allow this.

    >
    > Obviously you're wrong, like all "advocates" are when they blame MS every
    > time they stub their toe.


    I may be wrong, but what I said was based on some research I did on
    trying to find out how to export the address book on hotmail. Like I
    said, I don't use hotmail, my wife does (and she's a technophobe).
    The references I looked at said that in a free hotmail account it's
    not so easy to export the address book, you have to upgrade to a pay
    account. That's what I meant by having to pay. The information may
    be wrong, but that's the information I had. If there's no button on
    the hotmail page to upgrade the account, that's not my fault, but I
    can tell you that you can't just cut and paste, because I tried it.
    And that has to be deliberate.


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