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  1. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

    On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:45:12 -0500, Stephan Rose
    wrote:

    >On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:16:30 -0600, Oxford wrote:
    >
    >> ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote:
    >>
    >>> > Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
    >>> >
    >>> > If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have
    >>> > done so already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has
    >>> > absolutely zero mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will
    >>> > continue to dominate.
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>> Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
    >>> together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master distro.
    >>> If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and OSX
    >>> guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer (and
    >>> computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled dreck
    >>> that it's been floating in for a while now.

    >>
    >> yes, and I've told them SEVERAL times they need to concentrate on just
    >> one or two distros and let the others die off. they just can't compete
    >> until they take this advice.
    >>
    >> chances are now zero that they can't rally around and heed this advice.
    >> they are mostly young kids with no skills outside of playing games or
    >> hacking.
    >>
    >> linux had a chance during the late 90's but blew it. now OSX is the main
    >> UNIX distro by a 7 to 1 margin... all because Apple knew about design
    >> and understood high quality computing.
    >>
    >> linux is a total mess now, and it's very sad. I thought at least they
    >> would have 1% of the market, but it still hovers around .76 percent. Not
    >> good when Apple has jumped to 6.4% in recent months.
    >>

    >
    >I find it funny how everyone takes the statistic of one irrelevant web-
    >server of any actual value.


    When does it become rlevant then? 10 servers, 100? 1'000?
    What about 40'000?

    http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2

    0.8% after 15 years of free availability? Linux will never make it.
    Face it.

    Meanwhile:

    http://marketshare.hitslink.com/repo...=Windows+Vista

  2. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

    In article <1191792966.660220.310560@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
    Rex Ballard wrote:
    > Not necessarily. Remember, Linux competes with a company who blocks
    > all access to the retail display space. A Linux customer must
    > purchase and install Linux without the benefit of an OEM preinstalled
    > system.


    Nice fantasy. Exactly what mechanism prevents you from leasing space,
    and opening a store there selling Linux computers? (Just like Apple
    does to sell Macintosh computers).

    Answer: absolutely nothing.

    --
    --Tim Smith

  3. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distrofor the general computer/device market.

    On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 01:07:42 +0200, OK wrote:

    > On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:45:12 -0500, Stephan Rose
    > wrote:
    >
    >>On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:16:30 -0600, Oxford wrote:
    >>
    >>> ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> > Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the
    >>>> > kitchen."
    >>>> >
    >>>> > If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have
    >>>> > done so already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has
    >>>> > absolutely zero mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will
    >>>> > continue to dominate.
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>> Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
    >>>> together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master
    >>>> distro. If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and
    >>>> OSX guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer
    >>>> (and computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled
    >>>> dreck that it's been floating in for a while now.
    >>>
    >>> yes, and I've told them SEVERAL times they need to concentrate on just
    >>> one or two distros and let the others die off. they just can't compete
    >>> until they take this advice.
    >>>
    >>> chances are now zero that they can't rally around and heed this
    >>> advice. they are mostly young kids with no skills outside of playing
    >>> games or hacking.
    >>>
    >>> linux had a chance during the late 90's but blew it. now OSX is the
    >>> main UNIX distro by a 7 to 1 margin... all because Apple knew about
    >>> design and understood high quality computing.
    >>>
    >>> linux is a total mess now, and it's very sad. I thought at least they
    >>> would have 1% of the market, but it still hovers around .76 percent.
    >>> Not good when Apple has jumped to 6.4% in recent months.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>I find it funny how everyone takes the statistic of one irrelevant web-
    >>server of any actual value.

    >
    > When does it become rlevant then? 10 servers, 100? 1'000? What about
    > 40'000?
    >
    > http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2
    >
    > 0.8% after 15 years of free availability? Linux will never make it. Face
    > it.
    >
    > Meanwhile:
    >
    > http://marketshare.hitslink.com/repo...custom=Windows

    +Vista

    Because *who the hell* is hitslink.com!?

    Their statistics don't represent the entire web.

    Their statistics don't represent users that go to google.com.

    Their statistics don't represent users that go to yahoo.com.

    Their statistics don't represent users that go to microsoft.com.

    I could go on...

    Their statistics ONLY represent users that go to THEIR servers. So what
    servers, of what significance, do THEY host and what content? Different
    content attracts different users which also influences statistics.

    What significance does one single server companies' statistic that likely
    doesn't even capture 1% of all users have to do on a world-wide scale?

    Ultimately their statistics are utterly meaningless.

    About the only statistic I would give any credit to would be Google.com's
    statistic just simply because it is a neutral site that isn't going to
    favor linux, microsoft or mac users. And it is a site that virtually
    everyone uses.

    Google.com however does not show their statistics. Smart move.

    And, if you still don't get it....here is an example;

    marketshare.hitslink.com claims 0.8%

    www.w3schools.com claims 3.4%

    So who is right now? Is it 0.8%? Is it 3.4%?

    If you don't answer that question with "Neither one" then you probably
    don't nor ever will get it.

    --
    Stephan
    2003 Yamaha R6

    君のこと思い出す日なんてないのは
    君のこと忘れたときがないから

  4. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

    On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:04:55 -0600, Oxford wrote:


    >
    > show me ONE professional level program that runs on Linux? bet you can't.
    >


    ModelSim SE

    http://www.model.com/products/products_se.asp

    Windows Vista is not supported (XP is). OS/X not supported. But Linux
    is.

    Bug



  5. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

    Peter Khlmann wrote:

    > Movie production
    >
    > http://digitalcontentproducer.com/dc...nux_hollywood/
    >
    > You can't actually get any more "professional" than that


    Nor can you get any more proprietary and closed-source.

    Massive looks like good software (damn well should be for $18K plus $4K a
    year for upgrades/support). http://www.massivesoftware.com/products/

    Hey, why don't you open source
    pretenders^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hhypocrites^H^H^H^H^H^H ^H^H^H^Hidiots picket them
    and demand they release the source code?



    > And LoTR was produced nearly completely with linux clusters and
    > KDE-Desktops


    Star Wars III was produced with Windows XP and Server 2003.

    http://www.amd.com/us-en/Weblets/0,,...~89153,00.html



  6. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

    DFS wrote:

    > Peter Khlmann wrote:
    >
    >> Movie production
    >>
    >> http://digitalcontentproducer.com/dc...nux_hollywood/
    >>
    >> You can't actually get any more "professional" than that

    >
    > Nor can you get any more proprietary and closed-source.


    The claim was: "show me ONE professional level program that runs on Linux?
    bet you can't."

    Poor DumbFull****
    Shown *several* "professional level programs" for linux by now, and even
    then just a small number of the available ones have been mentioned
    --
    Don't steal. Microsoft hates competition.


  7. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

    "DFS" writes:

    > Peter Köhlmann wrote:
    >
    >> Movie production
    >>
    >> http://digitalcontentproducer.com/dc...nux_hollywood/
    >>
    >> You can't actually get any more "professional" than that

    >
    > Nor can you get any more proprietary and closed-source.


    No source? I wont be using it then ........

    >
    > Massive looks like good software (damn well should be for $18K plus $4K a
    > year for upgrades/support). http://www.massivesoftware.com/products/


    What?!?!?!?! I have to pay to use that? They wont be getting a penny
    from me : not when I can use KDEPaint for free. It really rocks and my
    daughter stopped using Windows when she realised that it had pink.....

    >
    > Hey, why don't you open source
    > pretenders^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hhypocrites^H^H^H^H^H^H ^H^H^H^Hidiots picket them
    > and demand they release the source code?


    Yes. Roy .. will you lead? maybe they used OSS code somewhere? We should
    demand they open their sources for Roy Culley and Omer to investigate.....


  8. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

    Peter Khlmann wrote:
    > DFS wrote:
    >
    >> Peter Khlmann wrote:
    >>
    >>> Movie production
    >>>
    >>> http://digitalcontentproducer.com/dc...nux_hollywood/
    >>>
    >>> You can't actually get any more "professional" than that

    >>
    >> Nor can you get any more proprietary and closed-source.

    >
    > The claim was: "show me ONE professional level program that runs on
    > Linux? bet you can't."


    I know what the claim was, and I don't dispute there are a variety of
    "professional level programs" that run on Linux (the OP is ignorant).

    And virtually all are proprietary closed-source, of course.



    > Poor DumbFull****
    > Shown *several* "professional level programs" for linux by now, and
    > even then just a small number of the available ones have been
    > mentioned


    Hey, you can show them your "professional level program" that runs on
    Linux... can't you?




  9. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

    Hadron wrote:

    > "DFS" writes:
    >
    >> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
    >>
    >>> Movie production
    >>>
    >>> http://digitalcontentproducer.com/dc...nux_hollywood/
    >>>
    >>> You can't actually get any more "professional" than that

    >>
    >> Nor can you get any more proprietary and closed-source.

    >
    > No source? I wont be using it then ........
    >
    >>
    >> Massive looks like good software (damn well should be for $18K plus $4K a
    >> year for upgrades/support). http://www.massivesoftware.com/products/

    >
    > What?!?!?!?! I have to pay to use that? They wont be getting a penny
    > from me : not when I can use KDEPaint for free. It really rocks and my
    > daughter stopped using Windows when she realised that it had pink.....
    >
    >>
    >> Hey, why don't you open source
    >> pretenders^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hhypocrites^H^H^H^H^H^H ^H^H^H^Hidiots picket
    >> them and demand they release the source code?

    >
    > Yes. Roy .. will you lead? maybe they used OSS code somewhere? We should
    > demand they open their sources for Roy Culley and Omer to investigate.....


    Another fine "true linux advocacy post" from the "true linux
    advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X
    specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin", "newsreader magician"
    and "hardware maven" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Damian O'Leary
    --
    Micro$oft. What's broken today?


  10. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distrofor the general computer/device market.

    ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote:
    > On Oct 6, 4:19 pm, "Randy Oaks" wrote:
    >> wrote in message
    >>
    >> news:1191705624.157060.40790@w3g2000hsg.googlegrou ps.com...
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> On Oct 6, 3:47 pm, Gene Jones wrote:
    >>>> Dean Plude wrote:
    >>>>> In my many years using linux I have come to know that to truly support
    >>>>> and promote linux as I did with brunswick and many others is simply
    >>>>> show
    >>>>> large companies that there are choices in an OS and that they do not
    >>>>> have to pay a fortune to get.I will never forget when I gave the head
    >>>>> manufacturing engineer a Debian BO disk and simplly said check it out .
    >>>>> that was all it took.
    >>>>> Remember World Domination is our ultimate goal.
    >>>> Linux will never achieve anything close to world domination unless the
    >>>> users unite and follow Apple's OSX direction. Now Linux has pretty much
    >>>> become a footnote in history compared to what apple is doing with UNIX.
    >>>> So unless that changes, it's a slow fade to black for the Linux
    >>>> community.
    >>>> You guys have a chance, but you must "unite" - it's that simple.
    >>>> OSX is now about 9 times as large in the world, 6 years ago you guys
    >>>> were neck and neck. What happened? No leadership is the answer.
    >>>> Within the next few weeks, OSX is going to be a CERTIFIED UNIX.
    >>>> Why isn't Linux up to this certification level?
    >>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/
    >>> Linux is far too fragmented to accomplish anything useful.
    >>> It's two hundred thousand developers all trying to release their own
    >>> version of Linux.

    >> Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
    >>
    >> If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have done so
    >> already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has absolutely zero
    >> mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will continue to dominate.
    >>

    >
    > Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
    > together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master
    > distro. If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and
    > OSX guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer
    > (and computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled
    > dreck that it's been floating in for a while now.


    So, who's good ideas are we prepared to give up? Could we live with the
    loss of developers and interest? Where will new ideas get tested and
    promoted? What's the advantage? I'm not having compatibility problems.
    Are you?

  11. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release many "master" distros for the general computer/device market.

    Micoshaft Asstroturfer ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote on behalf of Micoshaft
    Corporation:

    > O


    Install Vista PISTA on your machine and pistify your machine? No thanks.

    Linux is a lot better.

    Linux has many consolidated master distros.
    Free to download loads of them from here..
    http://www.livecdlist.com
    http://www.distrowatch.com

    Each as masterful as the other.

    The fact is they are all better than windopws crap.
    You can see them in action at
    http://www.youtube.com search for beryl and compiz to view demos.

    Use for example GParted to boot up from CD and format a disk drive,
    or a broken flash drive or a USB stick or an SDCard.
    Most of this cannot be done with a windummy OS because there
    are no inbuilt utilities for it.



  12. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.


    "Rex Ballard" wrote in message
    news:1191810357.744080.48610@22g2000hsm.googlegrou ps.com...

    > Microsoft uses similar tactics with corporate customers. Many
    > companies must license PCs for every employee, even if many of those
    > employees don't use PCs as part of their job. Even the Janitor gets a
    > Windows license.


    They don't have to do it and it applies to many things not just windows.
    If you have 9,999 employes it is frequently cheaper to buy everything in
    units of 10,000, be it paper clips, name badges or PCs.
    Why its wrong for M$ and not wrong for Staples or the vending machine
    supplier to be cheaper if they buy 10,000? I don't understand the
    difference.
    Its the companies decision, they can buy 9,999 and pay more if they want.
    At least with software licenses its not harming the environment like it
    would be buying an extra name badge.

    BTW the big company I worked at had licenses for each windows PC not for
    each employee so it must have been cheaper that way.
    They did not have windows licenses for the PCs running UnixWare and M$
    didn't try and force them to get them either.
    Oh and they were supplied with Unix installed by the manufacturer (they were
    made by Intel and would have been branded HP) so it is quite possible to get
    machines without windows, at least in the UK.


  13. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

    Kier wrote:

    >> FACTS do not lie. Try it sometime, you'll be highly respected like me if
    >> you follow my honest advice.

    >
    >Hahahahhahhahhahhhaaa! God, but you are such a dickhead. Oxford. You,
    >highly respected? Faugh!


    He "respected" himself right into a good number of kill-files.


  14. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

    chrisv wrote:

    > Kier wrote:
    >
    >>> FACTS do not lie. Try it sometime, you'll be highly respected like me if
    >>> you follow my honest advice.

    >>
    >>Hahahahhahhahhahhhaaa! God, but you are such a dickhead. Oxford. You,
    >>highly respected? Faugh!

    >
    > He "respected" himself right into a good number of kill-files.


    And if not, he serves as a reminder how utterly dumb fanbois can be

    The windows fans in cola are already bad enough in their utter stupidity.
    But OxRetard serves very well as a reminder that the Mac fanbois are of a
    totally different caliber altogether. You would need to invent a new word
    for "stupidity" to describe that ilk
    --
    Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice which can be equally well
    explained by stupidity


  15. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

    Peter Khlmann did eloquently scribble:
    > DFS wrote:


    >> Peter K?hlmann wrote:
    >>
    >>> Movie production
    >>>
    >>> http://digitalcontentproducer.com/dc...nux_hollywood/
    >>>
    >>> You can't actually get any more "professional" than that

    >>
    >> Nor can you get any more proprietary and closed-source.


    > The claim was: "show me ONE professional level program that runs on Linux?
    > bet you can't."


    > Poor DumbFull****
    > Shown *several* "professional level programs" for linux by now, and even
    > then just a small number of the available ones have been mentioned


    Indeed. I even specifically CHOSE closed source because then they couldn't
    call it open source slopware (or whatever is in vogue at the moment in the
    insult dept)
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  16. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

    Peter Khlmann did eloquently scribble:
    >>> Hey, why don't you open source
    >>> pretenders^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hhypocrites^H^H^H^H^H^H ^H^H^H^Hidiots picket
    >>> them and demand they release the source code?

    >>
    >> Yes. Roy .. will you lead? maybe they used OSS code somewhere? We should
    >> demand they open their sources for Roy Culley and Omer to investigate.....


    > Another fine "true linux advocacy post" from the "true linux
    > advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X
    > specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin", "newsreader magician"
    > and "hardware maven" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Damian O'Leary


    Indeed. Always complaining there's not enough proprietory closed source
    commercial software for linux, and when one of them finds some, it's waaaa,
    I'm not paying for that, how dare they not release it as open source, waa
    waa.

    And they have the nerve of calling US hypocrits.
    I for one have never said closed source is bad for linux. It's NICE if it's
    open but it's not essential. I don't boycot nvidia or opera just cos they're
    closed.

    --
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  17. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

    On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:54:16 -0700, ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote
    (in article <1191783256.814194.298860@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups. com>):

    > On Oct 6, 4:19 pm, "Randy Oaks" wrote:
    >> wrote in message
    >>
    >> news:1191705624.157060.40790@w3g2000hsg.googlegrou ps.com...
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> On Oct 6, 3:47 pm, Gene Jones wrote:
    >>>> Dean Plude wrote:
    >>>>> In my many years using linux I have come to know that to truly support
    >>>>> and promote linux as I did with brunswick and many others is simply
    >>>>> show
    >>>>> large companies that there are choices in an OS and that they do not
    >>>>> have to pay a fortune to get.I will never forget when I gave the head
    >>>>> manufacturing engineer a Debian BO disk and simplly said check it out .
    >>>>> that was all it took.
    >>>>> Remember World Domination is our ultimate goal.

    >>
    >>>> Linux will never achieve anything close to world domination unless the
    >>>> users unite and follow Apple's OSX direction. Now Linux has pretty much
    >>>> become a footnote in history compared to what apple is doing with UNIX.

    >>
    >>>> So unless that changes, it's a slow fade to black for the Linux
    >>>> community.

    >>
    >>>> You guys have a chance, but you must "unite" - it's that simple.

    >>
    >>>> OSX is now about 9 times as large in the world, 6 years ago you guys
    >>>> were neck and neck. What happened? No leadership is the answer.

    >>
    >>>> Within the next few weeks, OSX is going to be a CERTIFIED UNIX.

    >>
    >>>> Why isn't Linux up to this certification level?

    >>
    >>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/

    >>
    >>> Linux is far too fragmented to accomplish anything useful.
    >>> It's two hundred thousand developers all trying to release their own
    >>> version of Linux.

    >>
    >> Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
    >>
    >> If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have done so
    >> already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has absolutely zero
    >> mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will continue to dominate.
    >>

    >
    > Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
    > together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master
    > distro. If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and
    > OSX guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer
    > (and computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled
    > dreck that it's been floating in for a while now.
    >


    I doubt if it would "beat the pants off" of either OSX or Vista. Even though
    Linux is better than Windows "anything" MS is too entrenched in the computer
    world, and OSX is simply too sophisticated to be displaced by an OS like
    Linux.

    But what a single distro would do would be to stimulate acceptance in the
    "shrink-wrap" software world to the point where they could release
    pre-compiled versions of their software for that one distro for one platform
    (PC compatible) that would be relatively safe. Not wanting to open their
    source-code to prying eyes is, IMHO, the single biggest reason why companies
    like Adobe et al don't port their software to Linux is because of the need
    for that software to be compiled by the user due to the non-standard
    configurations of various distributions of Linux on a myriad of
    platforms/processors.

    Once this happened, the MS hegemony would truly start to fall apart as there
    would be fewer and fewer reasons not to replace Windows with Linux.



  18. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

    George Graves wrote:

    > > Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
    > > together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master
    > > distro. If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and
    > > OSX guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer
    > > (and computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled
    > > dreck that it's been floating in for a while now.
    > >

    >
    > I doubt if it would "beat the pants off" of either OSX or Vista. Even though
    > Linux is better than Windows "anything" MS is too entrenched in the computer
    > world, and OSX is simply too sophisticated to be displaced by an OS like
    > Linux.
    >
    > But what a single distro would do would be to stimulate acceptance in the
    > "shrink-wrap" software world to the point where they could release
    > pre-compiled versions of their software for that one distro for one platform
    > (PC compatible) that would be relatively safe. Not wanting to open their
    > source-code to prying eyes is, IMHO, the single biggest reason why companies
    > like Adobe et al don't port their software to Linux is because of the need
    > for that software to be compiled by the user due to the non-standard
    > configurations of various distributions of Linux on a myriad of
    > platforms/processors.
    >
    > Once this happened, the MS hegemony would truly start to fall apart as there
    > would be fewer and fewer reasons not to replace Windows with Linux.


    good post George!

    i really don't think anyone is "against" Linux, its just their own
    internal "perceived strength" is really their "greatest weakness" when
    they come up against very well organized, funded UNIX distros like OSX.

    they need to learn to focus on 1 or 2 distros, then let the others die
    off, this diluted effort has killed Linux so far, but it doesn't have to
    be.

    Later this month they are going to get hit with another massive round of
    a better UNIX that is incredibly "organized". I feel sorry for them in a
    way, but if they can't match this, they can't compete:

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/features/

    -

  19. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

    On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:45:12 -0700, Stephan Rose wrote
    (in article ):

    > On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:16:30 -0600, Oxford wrote:
    >
    >> ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote:
    >>
    >>>> Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
    >>>>
    >>>> If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have
    >>>> done so already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has
    >>>> absolutely zero mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will
    >>>> continue to dominate.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
    >>> together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master distro.
    >>> If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and OSX
    >>> guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer (and
    >>> computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled dreck
    >>> that it's been floating in for a while now.

    >>
    >> yes, and I've told them SEVERAL times they need to concentrate on just
    >> one or two distros and let the others die off. they just can't compete
    >> until they take this advice.
    >>
    >> chances are now zero that they can't rally around and heed this advice.
    >> they are mostly young kids with no skills outside of playing games or
    >> hacking.
    >>
    >> linux had a chance during the late 90's but blew it. now OSX is the main
    >> UNIX distro by a 7 to 1 margin... all because Apple knew about design
    >> and understood high quality computing.
    >>
    >> linux is a total mess now, and it's very sad. I thought at least they
    >> would have 1% of the market, but it still hovers around .76 percent. Not
    >> good when Apple has jumped to 6.4% in recent months.
    >>

    >
    > I find it funny how everyone takes the statistic of one irrelevant web-
    > server of any actual value.
    >
    > That said, what do you think is happening? The efforts *are* consolidated.
    >
    > All distributions use the same kernel.
    > The same desktop managers.
    > The same browers.
    > The same software.
    > The same e-mail software.
    > The same newsreaders.
    > The same everything.
    >
    > The only main significant difference between any distributions is what
    > they come with out of the box. That's largely irrelevant.
    >
    > So how is this not consolidated?
    >
    > So redhat has different package management than ubuntu does. Big friggin
    > deal....they still use the same software and kernel.
    >
    >


    Could a company like, for instance, Adobe, release a single shrink-wrapped
    fully compiled version of its applications marked "For Linux" and have it
    install as easily on ALL modern Linux distributions as it now does on PCs or
    Macs? If so, then you're right. But that begs another question. If all the
    distros are that alike, why haven't any of the major software publishers
    released any of their applications on Linux?.


  20. Re: Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

    On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:23:53 -0700, Rick wrote
    (in article <13gijj9r4mpb00c@news.supernews.com>):

    > On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:04:55 -0600, Oxford wrote:
    >
    >> Kier wrote:
    >>
    >>>> yes, and I've told them SEVERAL times they need to concentrate on
    >>>> just one or two distros and let the others die off. they just can't
    >>>> compete until they take this advice.
    >>>
    >>> Like anyone listens to someone like you.

    >>
    >> ah, but they do. they have run away from linux in recent years...

    >
    > You're a liar.
    >
    >>
    >>>> chances are now zero that they can't rally around and heed this
    >>>> advice. they are mostly young kids with no skills outside of playing
    >>>> games or hacking.
    >>>
    >>> Lie.

    >>
    >> show me ONE professional level program that runs on Linux? bet you
    >> can't.

    >
    > Open Office


    Sorry. Open Office is open source, that doesn't count as a professional level
    program. I'm not saying anything against OpenOffice, mind you, but a
    pro-level program is the likes of Photoshop, Word, AutoCAD, Premier, Final
    Cut Pro, Sound Forge, Word, Excel, FileMaker Pro, etc.


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