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  1. Re: COLA Stats: Saturday the 6th of October, 2007.

    [H]omer wrote:
    > ngstats.pl version 1.25
    >
    > Written by Roy Culley.
    > Contributions from Mark Kent.
    > Modifications by [H]omer, 2007.




    > [1]: Posts via mail to news gateways are dropped by this server
    > and hence not included in the stats (currently disabled).
    > Other attention seeking posters may not appear as well.


    This is a definite improvement. By eliminating the anonymous
    remailing posters et al has certainly cleaned up the stats.

    Indeed as summarised in:

    http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/

    7 Anti-Linux Propagandists and Trolls

    The comp.os.linux.advocacy newsgroup is a newsgroup that is
    under siege by one or more factions of anti-Linux propagandists.
    In the past those factions have appeared to be confident and
    smug; however, as of late it appears that they are becoming ever
    more desperate. The reason for their desperation appears to be as
    a result of growth of the mind share of Linux and the continuing
    failures of their chosen cause. Besides the true anti-Linux
    propagandists there are also the occasional classic newsgroup troll.
    Since they cannot refute the growing popularity of Linux and Open
    Source, they are trying to trash the newsgroup. Posting advocate
    personal information such as home addresses, employer's
    addresses, homophobic slanderous content intended to embarrass,
    character assassinations, false statistics, false accusations,
    inability to carry on normal, healthy, humane conversations are
    but a few of their most recent tactics.

    7.4 The Effect of the Trespassers

    If the purpose of the anti-Linux propagandists was to create
    a disruption in order to seek attention or for some other of the
    excuses that people have used for trolling newsgroups, they could
    be ignored and in time they would go away. However that is not
    their intent and the classic "just killfile them" tactic does not
    work with anti-Linux propagandists. If every regular poster did
    just killfile them, they would have freedom to abuse the new
    Linux users and the rest of the COLA readership unopposed.
    Sometimes responding to trolls is necessary, to debunk their lies
    or expose their cowardice by use of anonymising remailers,
    Google-Groups post through open proxies and disposable E-mail
    accounts, etc.

    Linux is good, Linux expresses the best of mankind, creativity,
    resourcefulness, usefulness, productivity, etc. These trolls
    would take something good, and reflect their worthlessness
    through their posts to denigrate it.

    Fortunately, their lack of credibility shines through when
    exposed to the truth, to their own demise.

    --
    HPT

  2. Re: COLA Stats: Saturday the 6th of October, 2007.

    Verily I say unto thee, that High Plains Thumper spake thusly:
    > [H]omer wrote:


    >> ngstats.pl version 1.25
    >>
    >> Written by Roy Culley.
    >> Contributions from Mark Kent.
    >> Modifications by [H]omer, 2007.

    >
    >
    >
    >> [1]: Posts via mail to news gateways are dropped by this server
    >> and hence not included in the stats (currently disabled).
    >> Other attention seeking posters may not appear as well.

    >
    > This is a definite improvement. By eliminating the anonymous remailing
    > posters et al has certainly cleaned up the stats.


    Actually, as stated, that feature is currently /disabled/, since there
    are quite a few legitimate posters who use services like, e.g. Google.

    What I've decided to do (and have been doing for some time now) is drop
    individual attention-seekers, nym-shifters, and particularly abusive
    Trolls, rather than entire services wholesale. This is the current list
    of what is dropped, FYI:

    Message types:
    ^Content-Type:.*multipart
    ^Content-Type:.*text/html

    People:
    ^From:.*(?i)Alexander Terekhov
    ^From:.*(?i)(Professor|Captain|Colonel|Sgt)
    ^From:.*(?i)raylopez99
    ^From:.*(?i)(\ |\")(Sir|Ofc|Capt|Mr|Ms|Dr|Lt|Cpl|Prof)(\.|\ )

    Groups:
    ^Newsgroups:.*24hoursupport\.helpdesk.*
    ^Newsgroups:.*alt\.eunuchs\.questions.*
    ^Newsgroups:.*alt\.flame.*
    ^Newsgroups:.*alt\.idiots.*
    ^Newsgroups:.*alt\.politics.*
    ^Newsgroups:.*alt\.support\.crossdressing.*
    ^Newsgroups:.*microsoft.*
    ^Newsgroups:.*misc\.invest\.stocks.*
    ^Newsgroups:.*sci\.physics.*
    ^Newsgroups:.*soc\.men.*

    Meanwhile, any of the (mostly flatfish) nyms not covered by the above
    filter, are collected by the stats rules and listed merely as "
    [nyms]", which saves listing dozens of different fake "posters" like
    "Barb Dwyer", for example.

    --
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  3. Re: COLA Stats: Saturday the 6th of October, 2007.

    [H]omer wrote:
    > High Plains Thumper spake thusly:
    >> [H]omer wrote:

    >
    >>> [1]: Posts via mail to news gateways are dropped by this
    >>> server and hence not included in the stats (currently
    >>> disabled). Other attention seeking posters may not appear
    >>> as well.

    >>
    >> This is a definite improvement. By eliminating the
    >> anonymous remailing posters et al has certainly cleaned up
    >> the stats.

    >
    > Actually, as stated, that feature is currently /disabled/,
    > since there are quite a few legitimate posters who use
    > services like, e.g. Google.
    >
    > What I've decided to do (and have been doing for some time
    > now) is drop individual attention-seekers, nym-shifters, and
    > particularly abusive Trolls, rather than entire services
    > wholesale. This is the current list of what is dropped, FYI:
    >
    > Message types:
    > ^Content-Type:.*multipart
    > ^Content-Type:.*text/html
    >
    > People:
    > ^From:.*(?i)Alexander Terekhov
    > ^From:.*(?i)(Professor|Captain|Colonel|Sgt)
    > ^From:.*(?i)raylopez99
    > ^From:.*(?i)(\ |\")(Sir|Ofc|Capt|Mr|Ms|Dr|Lt|Cpl|Prof)(\.|\ )


    Ah, that is where the major clean-up is, our little continuous
    nym-shifting pervert troll who likes to assume titles of respect,
    which is something that he has yet to earn.

    > Groups:
    > ^Newsgroups:.*24hoursupport\.helpdesk.*
    > ^Newsgroups:.*alt\.eunuchs\.questions.*
    > ^Newsgroups:.*alt\.flame.*
    > ^Newsgroups:.*alt\.idiots.*
    > ^Newsgroups:.*alt\.politics.*
    > ^Newsgroups:.*alt\.support\.crossdressing.*
    > ^Newsgroups:.*microsoft.*
    > ^Newsgroups:.*misc\.invest\.stocks.*
    > ^Newsgroups:.*sci\.physics.*
    > ^Newsgroups:.*soc\.men.*
    >
    > Meanwhile, any of the (mostly flatfish) nyms not covered by
    > the above filter, are collected by the stats rules and listed
    > merely as " [nyms]", which saves listing dozens of
    > different fake "posters" like "Barb Dwyer", for example.


    Ah, yes, our Google-Groups little Strumpet male poster:

    http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/war...m/strumpet.htm

    IMHO, this is the best stats I have seen yet, definitely puts
    things into perspective and puts our trolls back where they
    belong, out of sight.

    --
    HPT

  4. Re: COLA Stats: Saturday the 6th of October, 2007.

    On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:09:37 +0100, [H]omer wrote:

    > Verily I say unto thee, that High Plains Thumper spake thusly:
    >> [H]omer wrote:

    >
    >>> ngstats.pl version 1.25
    >>>
    >>> Written by Roy Culley.
    >>> Contributions from Mark Kent.
    >>> Modifications by [H]omer, 2007.

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> [1]: Posts via mail to news gateways are dropped by this server
    >>> and hence not included in the stats (currently disabled).
    >>> Other attention seeking posters may not appear as well.

    >>
    >> This is a definite improvement. By eliminating the anonymous
    >> remailing posters et al has certainly cleaned up the stats.

    >
    > Actually, as stated, that feature is currently /disabled/, since
    > there are quite a few legitimate posters who use services like,
    > e.g. Google.


    If you use leafnode v2.x (still alpha but very stable) you can filter
    for google posters you like and allow (select) those posts and then
    have a later filter to drop all other google posts.

  5. Re: COLA Stats: Saturday the 6th of October, 2007.


    DFS wrote:
    [...]
    > Last time I was abroad (Germany) I cursed Burger King when I saw one in the
    > Bavarian region.


    Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) is quite popular there as well. Well, can't
    really speak for Bavaria but take my word for Baden-Württemberg. :-)

    regards,
    alexander.

    --
    "The revolution might take significantly longer than anticipated."

    -- The GNU Monk Harald Welte

  6. Re: COLA Stats: Saturday the 6th of October, 2007.

    On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:02:19 -0400, DFS wrote:


    > cola "advocates" admitted cost was the most important reason for using
    > Linux a long time ago when I polled them (see results in thread "Because
    > I like it")


    Cost has got to be number one followed closely by security.


    > And 2/3 of the 20,000+ Suse users surveyed paid *nothing* and conributed
    > *nothing*.


    That would be typical for anything given away for free where you
    *promise* to do something for the community.


    > There are tens of thousands of Windows apps covering every conceivable
    > niche. So yes, true all around.


    That's the main reason why Linux is a non contender as a desktop system.

    >
    >
    >
    >> http://www.cybersource.com.au/users/conz/

    why_the_unbundling_windows_sceptics_are_wrong.html
    >
    > I read that whine, and it's truly pathetic. Only a socialist-wannabe
    > like yourself and other cola nuts could agree with "All hardware
    > manufacturers should ship personal computers with no pre-installed
    > operating system." What horse****. The hardware manufacturers should be
    > free, and are free, and always have been free, to ship their products
    > with whatever operating system they want. HP and Dell - who together
    > sell more than 1/2 of desktops - have sold Linux-based desktop systems
    > for many years.


    I differ.
    I feel they should sell a bare system, no support, no OS as well.


    > The only way Linux can even try to compete on the desktop is by
    > government interference and regulation.


    It appears to be that way.
    Linux is free.
    Where is it?

    Imagine if Microsoft offered a free copy of Vista for everyone who placed
    an order on say 12/15/07?
    The Internet would be so clogged no other traffic would be able to get
    through.
    Yet we have Linux, free for the taking and it's a virtual desktop unknown.

    That is what puzzles me and that is the question that Linux advocates
    can't seem to answer.


    > Last time I was abroad (Germany) I cursed Burger King when I saw one in
    > the Bavarian region.
    >
    > But why shouldn't I brag about America? Nobody else develops the
    > quality software we do.


    Sort of.
    Much of it is developed in or by 3rd world programmers. ie:Bangalore.
    The robber barons like Microsoft, IBM and others are just increasing
    their profits off the fruit of others underpaid efforts.

    --

    John King
    beerking59@oohay.com
    "Just Say No To DRM"

  7. Re: COLA Stats: Saturday the 6th of October, 2007.

    Alexander Terekhov wrote:
    > DFS wrote:
    > [...]
    >> Last time I was abroad (Germany) I cursed Burger King when I saw one
    >> in the Bavarian region.

    >
    > Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) is quite popular there as well. Well,
    > can't really speak for Bavaria but take my word for
    > Baden-Württemberg. :-)


    Extra Crispy?!





  8. Re: COLA Stats: Saturday the 6th of October, 2007.

    On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:49:19 -0400, DFS wrote:

    > Alexander Terekhov wrote:
    >> DFS wrote:
    >> [...]
    >>> Last time I was abroad (Germany) I cursed Burger King when I saw one
    >>> in the Bavarian region.

    >>
    >> Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) is quite popular there as well. Well,
    >> can't really speak for Bavaria but take my word for Baden-Württemberg.
    >> :-)

    >
    > Extra Crispy?!


    I got really, really sick on KFC a couple of years ago and have not gone
    near it since.
    Samonella poisoning and I will NEVER forget it.
    I was so sick I slept wrapped around the toilet.
    I had names for all the tiles on the floor

    It was a KFC on Delk Road in Marietta Georgia just off I75 across from
    the Spagehtti Warehouse which is where I should have eaten instead.

    Then I had to get on a plane and fly back to MA a couple of days later.

    --

    John King
    beerking59@oohay.com
    "Just Say No To DRM"

  9. Re: COLA Stats: Saturday the 6th of October, 2007.

    John King wrote:
    > On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:49:19 -0400, DFS wrote:
    >
    >> Alexander Terekhov wrote:
    >>> DFS wrote:
    >>> [...]
    >>>> Last time I was abroad (Germany) I cursed Burger King when I saw
    >>>> one in the Bavarian region.
    >>>
    >>> Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) is quite popular there as well. Well,
    >>> can't really speak for Bavaria but take my word for
    >>> Baden-Württemberg. :-)

    >>
    >> Extra Crispy?!

    >
    > I got really, really sick on KFC a couple of years ago and have not
    > gone near it since.
    > Samonella poisoning and I will NEVER forget it.
    > I was so sick I slept wrapped around the toilet.
    > I had names for all the tiles on the floor
    >
    > It was a KFC on Delk Road in Marietta Georgia just off I75 across from
    > the Spagehtti Warehouse which is where I should have eaten instead.


    I know exactly where that is, flatfish.




  10. Re: COLA Stats: Saturday the 6th of October, 2007.

    On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:09:56 -0400, DFS wrote:

    > John King wrote:
    >> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:49:19 -0400, DFS wrote:
    >>
    >>> Alexander Terekhov wrote:
    >>>> DFS wrote:
    >>>> [...]
    >>>>> Last time I was abroad (Germany) I cursed Burger King when I saw one
    >>>>> in the Bavarian region.
    >>>>
    >>>> Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) is quite popular there as well. Well,
    >>>> can't really speak for Bavaria but take my word for
    >>>> Baden-Württemberg. :-)
    >>>
    >>> Extra Crispy?!

    >>
    >> I got really, really sick on KFC a couple of years ago and have not
    >> gone near it since.
    >> Samonella poisoning and I will NEVER forget it. I was so sick I slept
    >> wrapped around the toilet. I had names for all the tiles on the floor
    >>
    >>
    >> It was a KFC on Delk Road in Marietta Georgia just off I75 across from
    >> the Spagehtti Warehouse which is where I should have eaten instead.

    >
    > I know exactly where that is, flatfish.


    Flatfish?
    What's that?

    Don't eat there...
    Trust me.....

    --

    John King
    beerking59@oohay.com
    "Just Say No To DRM"

  11. Re: COLA Stats: Saturday the 6th of October, 2007.

    John King wrote:
    > On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:02:19 -0400, DFS wrote:
    >
    >
    >> cola "advocates" admitted cost was the most important reason for
    >> using Linux a long time ago when I polled them (see results in
    >> thread "Because I like it")

    >
    > Cost has got to be number one followed closely by security.


    In that thread 2nd place was the nebulous term "freedom" (by which I think
    they mean freedom from paying)


    >>> http://www.cybersource.com.au/users/conz/

    > why_the_unbundling_windows_sceptics_are_wrong.html
    >>
    >> I read that whine, and it's truly pathetic. Only a socialist-wannabe
    >> like yourself and other cola nuts could agree with "All hardware
    >> manufacturers should ship personal computers with no pre-installed
    >> operating system." What horse****. The hardware manufacturers
    >> should be free, and are free, and always have been free, to ship
    >> their products with whatever operating system they want. HP and
    >> Dell - who together sell more than 1/2 of desktops - have sold
    >> Linux-based desktop systems for many years.

    >
    > I differ.
    > I feel they should sell a bare system, no support, no OS as well.


    All OEMs always were and still are free to do that. Why do you think they
    don't? Because nobody/very few wants to buy a computer that isn't
    tested/burned in, and doesn't boot up and let them get working.


    >> But why shouldn't I brag about America? Nobody else develops the
    >> quality software we do.

    >
    > Sort of.
    > Much of it is developed in or by 3rd world programmers. ie:Bangalore.


    What software developed by Indians in India (or Chinese in China) is
    available and competitive with US-made software? I've never heard of one
    app. Not a single one.



    > The robber barons like Microsoft, IBM and others are just increasing
    > their profits off the fruit of others underpaid efforts.


    They're *overpaid* relative to the other jobs in their countries.




  12. Re: COLA Stats: Saturday the 6th of October, 2007.

    On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:22:00 -0400, DFS wrote:


    > In that thread 2nd place was the nebulous term "freedom" (by which I
    > think they mean freedom from paying)


    Freedom in terms of copyrights means nothing to people with the exception
    possibly of DRM which IS causing a stir.



    > All OEMs always were and still are free to do that. Why do you think
    > they don't? Because nobody/very few wants to buy a computer that isn't
    > tested/burned in, and doesn't boot up and let them get working.


    Possibly, but they could still offer a bare system with nothing but a
    hardware warranty.
    Dell etc burn their systems in with generic assembly line software anyway.
    In fact, these days, I doubt they burn them in at all anymore.
    Assemble it and out the door it goes because they rely on the various
    component manufacturers (ie:ATI) to do the testing and if all the parts
    are tested the entire thing should work, at least in theory.


    > What software developed by Indians in India (or Chinese in China) is
    > available and competitive with US-made software? I've never heard of
    > one app. Not a single one.


    Microsoft.
    IBM.
    You name it.

    The company is American but the product is programmed at least in part
    overseas.


    > They're *overpaid* relative to the other jobs in their countries.


    Not overpaid, but paid more.
    It's all relative.
    --

    John King
    beerking59@oohay.com
    "Just Say No To DRM"

  13. Re: COLA Stats: Saturday the 6th of October, 2007.

    After takin' a swig o' grog, John King belched out this bit o' wisdom:

    > Imagine if Microsoft offered a free copy of Vista for everyone who placed
    > an order on say 12/15/07?
    > The Internet would be so clogged no other traffic would be able to get
    > through.


    They've already done that, in the betas, dude.

    Where was the clogging?

    Hmmm?

    > Yet we have Linux, free for the taking and it's a virtual desktop unknown.
    >
    > That is what puzzles me and that is the question that Linux advocates
    > can't seem to answer.


    We've answered it over and over. Groklaw answers it over and over.
    Acer sues Microsoft over it. The US and EU convict Microsoft over it.

    And you still won't listen.

    Is there any reaching you people? Patently, no.

    --
    Tux rox!

  14. Re: COLA Stats: Saturday the 6th of October, 2007.

    Verily I say unto thee, that p5000011 spake thusly:

    > If you use leafnode v2.x (still alpha but very stable) you can filter
    > for google posters you like and allow (select) those posts and then
    > have a later filter to drop all other google posts.


    Yes, for that and other reasons, I have been meaning to switch to v2,
    but I just haven't got a round tuit yet

    --
    K.
    http://slated.org

    ..----
    | "OOXML is a superb standard"
    | - GNU/Linux traitor, Miguel de Icaza.
    `----

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    22:15:20 up 58 days, 21:10, 3 users, load average: 0.01, 0.06, 0.07

  15. Re: COLA Stats: Saturday the 6th of October, 2007.

    In article ,
    Linonut wrote:
    > > Yet we have Linux, free for the taking and it's a virtual desktop unknown.
    > >
    > > That is what puzzles me and that is the question that Linux advocates
    > > can't seem to answer.

    >
    > We've answered it over and over. Groklaw answers it over and over.
    > Acer sues Microsoft over it. The US and EU convict Microsoft over it.
    >
    > And you still won't listen.
    >
    > Is there any reaching you people? Patently, no.


    Apple has managed to get a decent desktop presence, which shows that
    your theories are incorrect. Try again.


    --
    --Tim Smith

  16. Re: COLA Stats: Saturday the 6th of October, 2007.

    ____/ High Plains Thumper on Saturday 06 October 2007 23:44 : \____

    > Microsoft behind $12 million payment to Opera


    Good links. Thanks.

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