Perhaps you need to look at the solution implemented by Symbol
( Their WLAN products already use kerberos for WLAN
authentication and key management as an alternative to WEP. The normal
approach with WEP is to share a secret between the AP and WLAN client,
but with Kerberos the session key can be used instead. The WLAN
connection to the network through the access point should not be
accepted until the user has authenticated to the AP. This is the Symbol
approach, but they are not using EAP. Instead they have implemented
Kerberos in the firmware of their products. I would love to see Kerberos
implemented for same solution using EAP-GSS so that more WLAN vendors
can take advantage and gain SSO and strong key management for WLAN

Regards, Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On
Behalf Of Thomas Otto
Sent: 14 July 2005 22:44
Subject: EAP-Kerberos

Hi Chris, Saber, Sam, all,

(sth went wrong with my first email, I try it again)

I read your discussion in the Kerberos Mailing List regarding Kerberos
for Wireless Authentication (June 2005). In February 05, I already
thought a little bit about using Kerberos as single logon for both
* gaining access to a wireless network and
* using the offered kerberized services, so that I began writing an EAP
method which uses Kerberos, (the draft is at , but so dramatically
immature that it is not worth to be read ;-).

There are generally two ways how to apply Kerberos to WLAN

1) The user has nothing but his username/password. The EAP- conversation
is carried out in order to authenticate at the AS and to get a TGT.
>From this point, the client uses this TGT to request the TGS

for service tickets.

2) The user has already network access and a TGT. In this case, the
authenticator (access point) is a service, so that the goal is to get a
service ticket for the service "access point, wireless network access".
Therefore, a proxy Kerberos Server is inside the access point and talks
EAP to the client, and talks in the other direction over IP with the
Kerberos TGS. (I think this is covered by an older proposal, EAP-GSS).

Case 1 is interesting. It would be nice if a user types only once,
namely at the initial logon, his username password, and subsequently get
access to the network and the therein advertised services.

Is this situation realistic?

Where could one use Kerberos in wireless authentication otherwise?

I'd be glad if you tell me your ideas, and especially if you see the
need for an EAP Kerberos method.

Best regards,

PS. I'm aware of the property catalogue for an EAP method, which is
intended to be used in wireless networks ( ).
The major issue is the dictionary attack problem, but I think it could
be mitigated by using some strong password protocol (like the paper of
Wu it proposes).

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