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  1. KOrganizer suffering amnesia!

    My calendar seems to have lost its memory - rather unfortunate for such
    application!

    I can enter a new event, click 'OK', click 'Save' (nothing appears to happen
    then??) - and after reboot, my event is 'gone'!

    I have been through the settings + the handbook, but to no avail!

    Any hints??

    (KDE 3.3.0/KOrganizer 3.3)
    --
    med venlig hilsen
    Hans

  2. Re: KOrganizer suffering amnesia!

    Hans Henrik Hansen wrote:

    > My calendar seems to have lost its memory - rather unfortunate for such
    > application!
    >
    > I can enter a new event, click 'OK', click 'Save' (nothing appears to
    > happen then??) - and after reboot, my event is 'gone'!
    >
    > I have been through the settings + the handbook, but to no avail!
    >
    > Any hints??
    >
    > (KDE 3.3.0/KOrganizer 3.3)


    In what kind of calendar do you put that event? Is it a calendar on your
    harddrive or some external resource? Is there any console output on saving?

    It's normal there's no visual notification if the save succeeds. IIRC, there
    should be some kind of error when saving fails.

    Kind regards,

    --
    Bram Schoenmakers
    KDE Netherlands (www.kde.nl)

  3. Re: KOrganizer suffering amnesia!

    Bram Schoenmakers wrote:
    ....
    > In what kind of calendar do you put that event? Is it a calendar on your
    > harddrive or some external resource?


    Harddrive ('home dir'/.kde/share/apps/korganizer/nykal.ics)
    [I have checked the 'nykal' file: I hasn't been changed since I created it
    some days ago]

    > Is there any console output on
    > saving?


    Not s far as I can tell(?)

    > It's normal there's no visual notification if the save succeeds.


    Under the previous version, there was some kind of (temporary) statement at
    the bottom of the window that saving was being done!

    --
    Regards,
    Hans

  4. Re: KOrganizer suffering amnesia!

    Hans Henrik Hansen wrote:
    ....
    > Not s far as I can tell(?)
    >
    >> It's normal there's no visual notification if the save succeeds.

    >
    > Under the previous version, there was some kind of (temporary) statement
    > at the bottom of the window that saving was being done!


    Well, not so many suggestions, lately!

    I think (part of) the problem may be that it appears to be a 'new' - and
    therefore empty - calendar display that opens after every reboot(?) There
    may be something about 'active calendar' that I simply don't understand:
    There is, indeed, a file containing the (quasi-)'lost' data, but I don't
    see it, unless I specifically open *that one*.
    Similarly about saving events: It will not suffice to simply click 'OK' - as
    the KOrganizer Handbook suggests: I (seemingly) have to 'save *as*', and
    choose the appropriate 'storage file' every time(?)

    To me, all this seems unnecessarily complicated: I could see the merit if my
    computer was shared between several users - but I'm the only one here, and
    I want to see *my personal* calendar as default whenever I open
    KOrganizer! )

    And BTW: That's the way it worked under KDE 3.1.4 (don't remember the
    KOrganizer version I used before)

    Any suggestions??

    --
    Regards,
    Hans

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    Hans Henrik Hansen wrote:

    > I can enter a new event, click 'OK', click 'Save' (nothing appears to
    > happen then??) - and after reboot, my event is 'gone'!


    I have simmilar problem, after restart some appointments are gone, and most
    ToDo's are on other date! This should be marked as grave bug and reported
    to KDE bug.

    --
    Rafał 'Raf256' Maj

  6. Re: KOrganizer suffering amnesia!

    Rafał Maj Raf256 wrote:

    > I have simmilar problem, after restart some appointments are gone, and
    > most ToDo's are on other date! This should be marked as grave bug and
    > reported to KDE bug.


    Look at bug reports:
    http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38006
    http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102176

    --
    Rafał 'Raf256' Maj

  7. Re: KOrganizer suffering amnesia!

    Rafa? Maj Raf256 wrote:

    > Rafa? Maj Raf256 wrote:
    >
    >> I have simmilar problem, after restart some appointments are gone, and
    >> most ToDo's are on other date! This should be marked as grave bug and
    >> reported to KDE bug.

    >
    > Look at bug reports:
    > http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38006
    > http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102176


    Indeed, '102176' seems very close to my experience. Also strange that the
    Handbook mentions no requirement of *saving* events, at all (+ there were
    no such problems with the previous version)

    Those bug reports are rather old - does anyone know if action has been
    taken? (I'm unfamiliar with KDE's bug handlig practices!)

    Maybe it's simpler just to find another calendar application?

    --
    Regards,
    Hans

  8. Re: KOrganizer suffering amnesia!

    Hans Henrik Hansen wrote:

    > Maybe it's simpler just to find another calendar application?


    What would You reccomend? Alos, please vote at my bugs perhaps it will
    motivate KDE developers to fix the problem

    --
    Rafał 'Raf256' Maj

  9. Re: KOrganizer suffering amnesia!

    Rafa? Maj Raf256 wrote:
    ....
    > What would You reccomend?


    Well, first of all I think I'm going to give KOrganizer (yet) another
    chance:
    As far as I can see now, if I create an event, click 'Apply', 'OK' + 'Save
    *as*', select the appropriate storage file (with suffix .ics) and click
    'Save' - then saving is confirmed (by the message you ask for in your
    report) and the event is actually stored!(?)

    Additionally, it's probably a very good idea to ensure, that there is *only
    one* ics-file in the KOrganizer directory!

    > Alos, please vote at my bugs perhaps it will
    > motivate KDE developers to fix the problem


    I'm going to wait a day or two, to see if my hypothesis is correct before I
    proceed with 'the bugs procedure' - I intend to submit some 'Additional
    Comments' to your report!
    Meanwhile, why don't you - and others - check out my described procedure,
    and let us know if it's workable??

    --
    Regards,
    Hans

  10. Re: KOrganizer suffering amnesia!

    Hans Henrik Hansen wrote:

    > Rafa? Maj Raf256 wrote:
    > ...
    >> What would You reccomend?

    >
    > Well, first of all I think I'm going to give KOrganizer (yet)
    > another chance:
    > As far as I can see now, if I create an event, click 'Apply',
    > 'OK' + 'Save *as*', select the appropriate storage file (with
    > suffix .ics) and click 'Save' - then saving is confirmed (by the
    > message you ask for in your report) and the event is actually
    > stored!(?)
    >
    > Additionally, it's probably a very good idea to ensure, that
    > there is *only one* ics-file in the KOrganizer directory!
    >


    This is not necessary. You can have many calendars or just one,
    you only have to make one the dafault. I'm on KDE 3.4 but IIRC in
    KDE 3.3 it was the same. You should have a "Calendar" window
    below your date and your To-do-List display (probably you need to
    enable it under Settings->Sidebar). Click Add and add the
    calendar you want to use. Check the tickbox and right-click on
    the calendar and select "Use as default.." Now all your entries
    will be saved automatically to your calendar.

    Ransom
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    Ransom wrote:
    ....
    > This is not necessary. You can have many calendars or just one,
    > you only have to make one the dafault. I'm on KDE 3.4 but IIRC in
    > KDE 3.3 it was the same. You should have a "Calendar" window
    > below your date and your To-do-List display (probably you need to
    > enable it under Settings->Sidebar). Click Add and add the
    > calendar you want to use. Check the tickbox and right-click on
    > the calendar and select "Use as default.." Now all your entries
    > will be saved automatically to your calendar.


    Indeed, that seems to work:
    I believe my (main) problem was a checkmark in the 'Active Calendar'-box - I
    removed that and put it in the 'file resource'-box (+ selected the
    appropriate file).
    I'm unable to locate the "Use as default..", though(?)

    But again, the Handbook seems to leave quite a lot to be desired: I found
    very little information about the importance of of allocating a 'storage
    file, about the distinction between 'Active Calendar' vs. 'file resource'
    and about 'vCalendar' vs. 'iCalendar'
    --
    Regards,
    Hans

  12. Re: KOrganizer suffering amnesia!

    Hans Henrik Hansen wrote:

    > Indeed, that seems to work:
    > I believe my (main) problem was a checkmark in the 'Active
    > Calendar'-box - I removed that and put it in the 'file
    > resource'-box (+ selected the appropriate file).
    > I'm unable to locate the "Use as default..", though(?)
    >


    If you have only one clalendar checked there won't be a "Use as
    default.." option I guess.

    > But again, the Handbook seems to leave quite a lot to be
    > desired: I found very little information about the importance of
    > of allocating a 'storage file, about the distinction between
    > 'Active Calendar' vs. 'file resource' and about 'vCalendar' vs.
    > 'iCalendar'


    Oh, come on, you could have found out by yourself if you looked a
    bit closer. The KDE documentation is probably sometimes not up to
    date, since it is done by volunteers, but that's the price you
    pay for "free" software.

    Ransom
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  13. Re: KOrganizer suffering amnesia!

    Ransom wrote:
    ....
    > If you have only one clalendar checked there won't be a "Use as
    > default.." option I guess.


    Sounds reasonable.
    ....
    > Oh, come on, you could have found out by yourself if you looked a
    > bit closer. The KDE documentation is probably sometimes not up to
    > date, since it is done by volunteers, but that's the price you
    > pay for "free" software.


    Well, in the first place I'm not so sure I would ever have found out
    entirely on my own: If I hadn't had some inspiration from i.a. this group I
    might simply have given up and relied on e.g. MS Outlook instead!

    My additional point would be that if 'we' want to make Linux a broad
    alternative to Windows, then 'we' should also make an effort to make the
    transition as gentle as possible.
    I see my current KOrganizer version as an improvement to the one I used
    before - but only if it is fairly straightforward to use: If I have to
    spend several hours searching the Handbook for (missing) information,
    consulting mailing lists and use groups etc., I would rather have kept the
    previous (more intuitive) version.
    Or in different words - volunteers or not - I think that new versions should
    remain at the development stage until they bring along adequate
    documentation: Linux/KDE should in my view not be seen (only) as an
    intellectual playground for 'embryo nerds'! )
    --
    Regards,
    Hans

  14. Re: KOrganizer suffering amnesia!

    Rafa? Maj Raf256 wrote:
    ....
    > What would You reccomend? Alos, please vote at my bugs perhaps it will
    > motivate KDE developers to fix the problem


    I have made an 'additional comment' to your report - and cast 20 votes in
    favour!
    --
    Regards,
    Hans

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