Michael Kraemer wrote:
> hello group,
>
> I know this has been asked several times before,
> and I've tried to follow the recommended procedures
> for my 712 running 10.20 (Dec 1999):
>
> booted from a Support+ CD (Sep 2001)
> ISL> ODE
> ODE> COPYUTIL
>
> but the scan didn't find any devices,
> although disk, CD and DDS tape were online,
> and have worked with that version of HP-UX
> before. Is Copyutil extra picky as far
> as those devices are concerned ?
> At least it should recognize the HP-UX
> hard disk, shouldn't it ?
> Not sure about the tape, though,
> "it's a Sony" DDS-3.
>
> TIA,
> MK
>
Michael,


What do you want to do with it? mksysb is a tool to make a bootable tape
or other media is not it?

For that you need the Ignite depot for 10.20 installed on HP-UX.


Kind regards,


Jan Gerrit Kootstra

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 21:42:23 +0100, Jan Gerrit Kootstra
wrote:

>Michael Kraemer wrote:
>> hello group,
>>
>> I know this has been asked several times before,
>> and I've tried to follow the recommended procedures
>> for my 712 running 10.20 (Dec 1999):
>>
>> booted from a Support+ CD (Sep 2001)
>> ISL> ODE
>> ODE> COPYUTIL
>>
>> but the scan didn't find any devices,
>> although disk, CD and DDS tape were online,
>> and have worked with that version of HP-UX
>> before. Is Copyutil extra picky as far
>> as those devices are concerned ?
>> At least it should recognize the HP-UX
>> hard disk, shouldn't it ?
>> Not sure about the tape, though,
>> "it's a Sony" DDS-3.
>>
>> TIA,
>> MK
>>
>Michael,
>
>
>What do you want to do with it? mksysb is a tool to make a bootable tape
>or other media is not it?
>
>For that you need the Ignite depot for 10.20 installed on HP-UX.
>
>
>Kind regards,
>
>
>Jan Gerrit Kootstra

As the previous poster said, to create a disaster recovery image of
the root volume group use Ignite-UX. The old way was with ODE.

Ignite-UX may be downloaded for free from http://software.hp.com
(search on "ignite").

Once you install Ignite-UX a bootable recovery image may be created on
tape with the make_tape_recovery command.

e.g.

# make_tape_recovery -x inc_entire=vg00

Ignite-UX has many other capabilities, but that's the simplest to get
started with.

Happy Trails,
Eric Stahl

Jan Gerrit Kootstra schrieb:
> Michael,
>
hello,

>
> What do you want to do with it? mksysb is a tool to make a bootable tape

I spent many hours to install, configure and customize that box,
so I finally want to save the result of my work,
so that I can perform a 1:1 recovery should the disk crash.
On AIX, mksysb gives me exactly what I want.

> or other media is not it?
>
> For that you need the Ignite depot for 10.20 installed on HP-UX.

OK, but a with a quick search I couldn't locate this software.

>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> Jan Gerrit Kootstra

thanks,
MK

Eric Stahl schrieb:
>
> As the previous poster said, to create a disaster recovery image of
> the root volume group use Ignite-UX. The old way was with ODE.
>
> Ignite-UX may be downloaded for free from http://software.hp.com
> (search on "ignite").

but it seems to be available only for HP-UX >= 11,
not for 10.20.
I have a 11.0 CD with "Ignite" on its label,
but not for 10.20. Or is it hidden on the "Support" CD ?

> Once you install Ignite-UX a bootable recovery image may be created on
> tape with the make_tape_recovery command.
>
> e.g.
>
> # make_tape_recovery -x inc_entire=vg00
>
> Ignite-UX has many other capabilities, but that's the simplest to get
> started with.
>
> Happy Trails,
> Eric Stahl
>

thanks,
MK

Michael Kraemer wrote:
> Eric Stahl schrieb:
>
>>
>> As the previous poster said, to create a disaster recovery image of
>> the root volume group use Ignite-UX. The old way was with ODE.
>>
>> Ignite-UX may be downloaded for free from http://software.hp.com
>> (search on "ignite").
>
>
> but it seems to be available only for HP-UX >= 11,
> not for 10.20.
> I have a 11.0 CD with "Ignite" on its label,
> but not for 10.20. Or is it hidden on the "Support" CD ?
>
>> Once you install Ignite-UX a bootable recovery image may be created on
>> tape with the make_tape_recovery command.
>>
>> e.g.
>>
>> # make_tape_recovery -x inc_entire=vg00
>>
>> Ignite-UX has many other capabilities, but that's the simplest to get
>> started with.
>>
>> Happy Trails, Eric Stahl
>>
>
> thanks,
> MK
>
Miachael,


Unfortunately 10.20 is dead, I found on Google a reference that it
should be on an Application CD.

I do not have 10.20 available anymore, so cannot check it for you.


Kind regards,


Jan Gerrit Kootstra

Jan Gerrit Kootstra schrieb:
>>
> Miachael,
>
> Unfortunately 10.20 is dead,

well, I run it in "museum" mode over here :-)

> I found on Google a reference that it
> should be on an Application CD.

I have some app CDs as well, but never looked at them
in detail since they are codeword secured and of
course I don't have one. Maybe I should give it a try.

> I do not have 10.20 available anymore, so cannot check it for you.
>

Filewatcher was my friend, so I found some forgotten 10.20 archive at

ftp://hpat951.external.hp.com/pub2/s.../wk165/wk165en

but it is a large tar file and I'm not sure if it is a good
idea to just unpack it.

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 20:44:49 +0100, Michael Kraemer
wrote:

>Jan Gerrit Kootstra schrieb:
>>>
>> Miachael,
>>
>> Unfortunately 10.20 is dead,
>
>well, I run it in "museum" mode over here :-)
>
>> I found on Google a reference that it
>> should be on an Application CD.
>
>I have some app CDs as well, but never looked at them
>in detail since they are codeword secured and of
>course I don't have one. Maybe I should give it a try.
>
>> I do not have 10.20 available anymore, so cannot check it for you.
>>
>
>Filewatcher was my friend, so I found some forgotten 10.20 archive at
>
>ftp://hpat951.external.hp.com/pub2/s.../wk165/wk165en
>
>but it is a large tar file and I'm not sure if it is a good
>idea to just unpack it.

I've not checked in a while to see if the 10.20 Ignite is still at
software.hp.com - but thinking about it now - it's probably not. I
know that the 11x versions support 10x clients - though that doesn't
help in your current circumstances.

Ignite-UX on the application CD's should not be code word protected.

Eric

Eric Stahl schrieb:
> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 20:44:49 +0100, Michael Kraemer
> wrote:

>
> I've not checked in a while to see if the 10.20 Ignite is still at
> software.hp.com - but thinking about it now - it's probably not.

It's not. Only 11.x.

> I
> know that the 11x versions support 10x clients - though that doesn't
> help in your current circumstances.
>
> Ignite-UX on the application CD's should not be code word protected.

Good idea. It's on the App CD #3, unprotected, installed w/o problems,
great !
Now I can run make_tape_recovery, but it seems it stores only
a couple of files. For a complete backup, would

make_tape_recovery -I -x inc_entire vg00

be the better choice ?

> Eric

thanks to all,
MK

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:15:07 +0100, Michael Kraemer
wrote:

>Eric Stahl schrieb:
>> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 20:44:49 +0100, Michael Kraemer
>> wrote:
>
>>
>> I've not checked in a while to see if the 10.20 Ignite is still at
>> software.hp.com - but thinking about it now - it's probably not.
>
>It's not. Only 11.x.
>
>> I
>> know that the 11x versions support 10x clients - though that doesn't
>> help in your current circumstances.
>>
>> Ignite-UX on the application CD's should not be code word protected.
>
>Good idea. It's on the App CD #3, unprotected, installed w/o problems,
>great !
>Now I can run make_tape_recovery, but it seems it stores only
>a couple of files. For a complete backup, would
>
>make_tape_recovery -I -x inc_entire vg00
>
>be the better choice ?
>
>> Eric
>
>thanks to all,
>MK

Use the "-x inc_entire=vg00" to get the entire root volume group
(assuming the default vg00 name).

If the "-x inc_entire=vg00" is left out then only a subset of the root
volume group will be archived to tape (as defined by the
mnr_essentials file i.e. only the files that are essential to boot and
recover a system).

The "-I" is only used if you want to force interactive mode when
recovering from the tape back to the system. That's not usually used.
The interactive mode will occur automatically for some recovery
operations such when Ignite see's that it's recovering to a different
system than where the archive was created.

So the complete command would be:

# make_tape_recovery -x inc_entire=vg00


Eric

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:32:04 +0000, Eric Stahl wrote:

>
> So the complete command would be:
>
> # make_tape_recovery -x inc_entire=vg00
>

I like -A better

-A Based on the files that are specified for inclusion, this
option identifies the disk(s) and/or volume group(s) that
contain these specified files and includes all files from
the disk(s)/vg(s) in the archive.

That way you aren't making an assumption about what VG the files are on.

JohnK

In article , JohnK
writes:
> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:32:04 +0000, Eric Stahl wrote:
>
> >
> > So the complete command would be:
> >
> > # make_tape_recovery -x inc_entire=vg00
> >
>
> I like -A better
>
> -A Based on the files that are specified for inclusion, this
> option identifies the disk(s) and/or volume group(s) that
> contain these specified files and includes all files from
> the disk(s)/vg(s) in the archive.
>
> That way you aren't making an assumption about what VG the files are on.
>
> JohnK

well, my 712 can only hold one VG, so this is a non-issue :-)
OTOH, the -I option seems (!) to allow system cloning to another box
with a different hostname/IP address, although I haven't tried that yet.

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:04:48 +0000 (UTC), m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael
Kraemer) wrote:

>In article , JohnK
> writes:
>> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:32:04 +0000, Eric Stahl wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > So the complete command would be:
>> >
>> > # make_tape_recovery -x inc_entire=vg00
>> >
>>
>> I like -A better
>>
>> -A Based on the files that are specified for inclusion, this
>> option identifies the disk(s) and/or volume group(s) that
>> contain these specified files and includes all files from
>> the disk(s)/vg(s) in the archive.
>>
>> That way you aren't making an assumption about what VG the files are on.
>>
>> JohnK
>
>well, my 712 can only hold one VG, so this is a non-issue :-)
>OTOH, the -I option seems (!) to allow system cloning to another box
>with a different hostname/IP address, although I haven't tried that yet.

The -I is not a requirement for cloning. make_*_recovery commands are
often used in cloning operations. Just remember that the more
differences between source and target systems, the more potential for
problems.

Eric

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:50:35 +0000, JohnK
wrote:

>On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:32:04 +0000, Eric Stahl wrote:
>
>>
>> So the complete command would be:
>>
>> # make_tape_recovery -x inc_entire=vg00
>>
>
>I like -A better
>
> -A Based on the files that are specified for inclusion, this
> option identifies the disk(s) and/or volume group(s) that
> contain these specified files and includes all files from
> the disk(s)/vg(s) in the archive.
>
>That way you aren't making an assumption about what VG the files are on.
>
>JohnK

When something's specified for inclusion then it doesn't matter where
it's at, it's just included with no assumptions. With the -A, along
with what you specify for inclusion, if it's in another volume group
then you may also get all of it's brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles,
cousins, neighbors, cows, chickens, pigs, dogs, cats, goats ... :-)

Eric