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This is a discussion on OT: Civil Discourse - Hewlett Packard ; On: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:10:01 -0800, "Newton, Ernie" wrote: Snippet from James B. Byrne... A number of them are imprisoned by the United States Government itself or by national authorities acting on its behest.> >> Really? >> >> Name ...

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  1. OT: Civil Discourse

    On: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:10:01 -0800, "Newton, Ernie" wrote:

    Snippet from James B. Byrne...

    A number of them are imprisoned by the United States Government itself or
    by national authorities acting on its behest.>

    >> Really?
    >>
    >> Name two.
    >> Ernie


    Maher Arar, Canadian
    Abdullah Almalki, Canadian
    Ahmad Abou-Elmaati, Canadian
    Muayyed Nureddin, Canadian
    Khaled el-Masri, German
    Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr, Egyptian

    There are an estimated 1100 others documented by Human Rights Watch and
    Amnesty International. Some, like the Canadians listed above, have been
    released. Most have not. I could also list Omar Khadr, taken by U.S.
    Forces at the age of fourteen and presently held at Guantanamo Bay since
    he was fifteen.

    Omar Khadr has been charged with murder, which is a curious accusation to
    level at someone who was taken as a wounded combatant following a U.S.
    instigated attack upon a fixed position, but we will pass over that for
    the moment. As a fourteen year-old Omar should have been treated as a
    child soldier, a victim not a perpetrator. Consider that the United
    States itself enacted as law the Child Soldiers Accountability Act,
    Chapter 118 of title 18, Sec. 2442, "Recruitment or use of child soldiers"
    which makes it illegal to recruit or employ children under the age of
    fifteen as combatants.

    Further, despite U.S. claims regarding this captive's actions, documents
    which were withheld from his defence team but subsequently released
    indicate that there is reason to believe that, far from murdering a U.S.
    soldier, this person may have been the victim of a botched battlefield
    execution by one or more U.S. personnel.
    http://www.thestar.com/article/345838

    Your evident ignorance, wilful or not, of your country's actions around
    the world these past eight years does you no credit.

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  2. Re: OT: Civil Discourse

    Mr. Byrne,

    Your supposed rhetoric does nothing to prove your original post...

    ""for having made utterances with no more evil intent than that of the OP.
    A number of them are imprisoned by the United States Government itself or
    by national authorities acting on its behest."

    ....and any statement of fact cannot have your quote.."this person may have "...

    I congratulate you for having the knowledge of all things related to the inner
    workings of our government. Maybe obama can use you as a member of his cabinet.

    Your arrogance shines through and I have no more time to waste on your ilk.

    Ernie
    ________________________________________
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    Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:06 PM
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    Subject: [HP3000-L] OT: Civil Discourse

    On: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:10:01 -0800, "Newton, Ernie" wrote:

    Snippet from James B. Byrne...

    A number of them are imprisoned by the United States Government itself or
    by national authorities acting on its behest.>

    >> Really?
    >>
    >> Name two.
    >> Ernie


    Maher Arar, Canadian
    Abdullah Almalki, Canadian
    Ahmad Abou-Elmaati, Canadian
    Muayyed Nureddin, Canadian
    Khaled el-Masri, German
    Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr, Egyptian

    There are an estimated 1100 others documented by Human Rights Watch and
    Amnesty International. Some, like the Canadians listed above, have been
    released. Most have not. I could also list Omar Khadr, taken by U.S.
    Forces at the age of fourteen and presently held at Guantanamo Bay since
    he was fifteen.

    Omar Khadr has been charged with murder, which is a curious accusation to
    level at someone who was taken as a wounded combatant following a U.S.
    instigated attack upon a fixed position, but we will pass over that for
    the moment. As a fourteen year-old Omar should have been treated as a
    child soldier, a victim not a perpetrator. Consider that the United
    States itself enacted as law the Child Soldiers Accountability Act,
    Chapter 118 of title 18, Sec. 2442, "Recruitment or use of child soldiers"
    which makes it illegal to recruit or employ children under the age of
    fifteen as combatants.

    Further, despite U.S. claims regarding this captive's actions, documents
    which were withheld from his defence team but subsequently released
    indicate that there is reason to believe that, far from murdering a U.S.
    soldier, this person may have been the victim of a botched battlefield
    execution by one or more U.S. personnel.
    http://www.thestar.com/article/345838

    Your evident ignorance, wilful or not, of your country's actions around
    the world these past eight years does you no credit.

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  3. Re: OT: Charges against The Republican Party for Treason and War Crimes

    http://www.nogw.com/warcrimes.html

    http://www.democraticunderground.com...7_treason.html

    TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 118 > § 2441

    § 2441. War crimes

    (a) Offense.— Whoever, whether inside or outside the United States, commits
    a war crime, in any of the circumstances described in subsection (b), shall
    be fined under this title or imprisoned for life or any term of years, or
    both, and if death results to the victim, shall also be subject to the
    penalty of death.
    (b) Circumstances.— The circumstances referred to in subsection (a) are that
    the person committing such war crime or the victim of such war crime is a
    member of the Armed Forces of the United States or a national of the United
    States (as defined in section 101 of the Immigration and Nationality Act).
    (c) Definition.— As used in this section the term “war crime” means any
    conduct—
    (1) defined as a grave breach in any of the international conventions signed
    at Geneva 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such convention to which the
    United States is a party;
    (2) prohibited by Article 23, 25, 27, or 28 of the Annex to the Hague
    Convention IV, Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land, signed 18
    October 1907;
    (3) which constitutes a violation of common Article 3 of the international
    conventions signed at Geneva, 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such
    convention to which the United States is a party and which deals with
    non-international armed conflict; or
    (4) of a person who, in relation to an armed conflict and contrary to the
    provisions of the Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of
    Mines, Booby-Traps and Other Devices as amended at Geneva on 3 May 1996
    (Protocol II as amended on 3 May 1996), when the United States is a party to
    such Protocol, willfully kills or causes serious injury to civilians.


    The Republican Party - the Case for Treason
    September 17, 2002
    By Anonymous

    I hereby accuse the Republican Party of committing repeated acts of High
    Treason against the United States. I submit the following list of charges,
    and respectfully demand that the Congress investigate them fully, in an open
    and public way, and take appropriate action if the investigation concludes
    that the accused are guilty:

    Charge 1: That during the presidential campaign of 1968, members of the
    Republican Party, not then in office, did harm the safety and credibility of
    the United States, and did bring about the death of thousands of US military
    personnel, by making secret contact with and negotiating with an enemy of
    the United States, the government of North Vietnam, in an attempt to induce
    that foreign government to postpone peace negotiations with the rightful
    government of the United States, and thereby prolong the war, for the
    purpose of gaining political advantage from the failure of those talks.

    Charge 2: That members of the Republican Party, including but not limited
    to, members of the Richard Nixon Administration, did abuse the power of
    their office and put the safety and credibility of the United States in
    jeopardy, in order to aid the interests of private political donors. To wit,
    that members of the Republican Party, as members of the Nixon
    Administration, interfered in the affairs of a sovereign nation, Chile, and
    did actively and illegally promote and participate in a coup d'etat in that
    country--including acts of murder--avowedly for the purpose of protecting
    the United States from the presumed threat of a Socialist government in
    Chile, but actually to protect the financial interests of several large
    corporate donors to the Republican Party who did business in that country.

    Charge 3: That members of the Republican Party, including members of the
    administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, harmed the safety
    and credibility of the United States by conducting an arms deal with the
    nation of Iran in direct violation of US law, then obstructed justice and
    lied to the Congress to cover for it, and subsequently abused their power of
    office by pardoning themselves to avoid criminal penalty.

    Charge 4: That members of the Republican Party, including but not limited to
    members of the Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush Administrations, put the
    safety and credibility of the United States at risk by spending US treasure
    to provide military equipment and training to the nation of Iraq--a nation
    which the current Administration now claims presents a clear and present
    danger to the United States--despite the knowledge that the government of
    Iraq was a threat to peace, and had committed atrocities against its own
    people and against others, and despite the certainty that this military
    funding would undermine the moral authority of the United States to act in
    self defense against Iraq in the eyes of the rest of the world.

    Charge 5. That members of the Republican Party, including but not limited to
    members of Congress, harmed the safety and credibility of the United States
    by diverting its treasure and attention to a partisan political pursuit of
    President William Clinton--which pursuit included:

    a. the planting of a Republican party spy in the White House;
    b. the misuse of the FBI and the Department of Justice for partisan
    political gain;
    c. the bullying of witnesses known to be innocent;
    d. the denying of counsel to witnesses;
    e. the intentional leaking of erroneous information to the press;
    f. the setting of a "perjury trap" for the President of the United States.

    Further, I charge that this self-serving partisan attack divided and
    diverted the attention of the United States at a time that terrorist enemies
    were plotting against the nation. Indeed, when in 1998 President Clinton
    attempted to strike at a terrorist base in Sudan, the Republican Party
    openly mocked and attempted to undermine the credibility of the effort,
    doing so purely for the purposes of further partisan political gain.

    Charge 6: That members of the Republican Party, including but not limited
    to, members of the Administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and
    George W. Bush, harmed the safety and credibility of the United States by
    causing papers and documents related to their activities conducted in the
    name of the public to be removed from public view and access, for the avowed
    purpose of protecting the nation, but actually for the purpose of hiding
    from the public activities which, if revealed, would be politically damaging
    to themselves. The various acts of this nature by members of the Republican
    Party are in violation of both the letter and the spirit of the laws which
    require and demand transparency in our government, and without which freedom
    and democracy cannot survive.

    Charge 7: That members of the Republican Party, acting as agents of The
    Halliburton Company, harmed the safety and credibility of the United States
    by covertly conducting business with the nation of Iraq, in direct violation
    of US law, and in doing so provided Iraq with the means to purchase the
    weapons of mass destruction with which it now threatens the United States
    and its citizens around the world.

    Charge 8: That members of the Republican Party, including but not limited to
    members of the George W. Bush Administration, did harm the safety,
    credibility, and financial well-being of the United States, by
    misrepresenting or obscuring the actions of their Administration and other
    government agencies before, during, and after the terrorist attacks of
    9/11/2001, for the purpose of protecting themselves from political damage.
    Specifically, that:

    a. members of the Republican party, as members of the Bush Administration,
    damaged the reputation of the Presidency of the United States by propagating
    a false story that the White House was a terrorist target on 9/11/2001;

    b. members of the Republican Party, including but not limited to members of
    the George W. Bush Administration, have failed to give the public a full and
    open accounting of the security and intelligence failures that allowed the
    terrorist attacks of 9/11/2001 to succeed in killing thousands of Americans;


    c. members of the Republican Party, including but not limited to members of
    the George W. Bush Administration, have so far held no individual or agency
    responsible for those gross failures, despite voluminous evidence that
    individuals and agencies responsible should have recognized that the attacks
    were coming;

    d. members of the Republican Party, including but not limited to members of
    the George W. Bush Administration, have attempted to thwart a thorough
    investigation into those gross failures, going as far as instigating an FBI
    probe to find who in the government "leaked" details of the failures to the
    press, without which leaks the public would have little knowledge of the
    failures;

    e. members of the Republican Party, including but not limited to members of
    the George W. Bush Administration, have harmed the safety and credibility of
    the United States by using the terrorist attacks of 9/11/2001 as a pretext
    to further their pre-existing political agenda, ignoring or misrepresenting
    the nature, causes, and sources of the attacks in order to lend support to
    their partisan arguments in favor of:

    1. drilling for oil in ANWR;
    2. continuing to fund a National Missile Defense Program;
    3. invading the nation of Iraq;

    f. members of the Republican Party, including but not limited to members of
    the George W. Bush Administration, have harmed the safety, credibility, and
    financial well-being of the United States by agitating publicly and
    vociferously for a military attack on Iraq, using the terrorist attacks of
    9/11/2001 as a pretext, despite the fact that they have presented no
    credible evidence to the American public or the world that a connection
    exists between those attacks and Iraq, and despite the fact that launching
    such an attack without proper evidence and without the support of a
    significant number of allied countries puts the United States and its
    citizens at tremendous risk, both by exacerbating the already inflamed
    anti-Americanism now found throughout the world, and by ignoring the
    potentially devastating economic effects of a flight from the US of foreign
    capital at a time when the country's manufacturing is spread throughout the
    globe, and when its current trade deficit is $2.5 trillion, i.e., 25% of the
    GDP.


    These charges, ample evidence of which can be found in the public record,
    demonstrate a pattern of treasonous behavior, by which the Republican Party
    has repeatedly put the safety, credibility and well-being of the United
    States and its citizens at risk for the purpose of partisan political gain.

    The Congress of the United States owes a duty to the American people to
    aggressively investigate these charges, using all its legal authority and
    all available sources of information. And should it find the accused guilty,
    it owes a duty to the American people to mete out such justice as is
    required by law.

    mc

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  4. Re: OT: Charges against The Republican Party for Treason and War Crimes

    You can add to this another Republican crime. This is another hoodwink from
    the party that is leaving a lasting mark on the confidence of the american
    people...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110902155.html


    On 11/9/08, Mike Church wrote:
    >
    > http://www.nogw.com/warcrimes.html
    >
    > http://www.democraticunderground.com...7_treason.html
    >
    > TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 118 > § 2441
    >
    > § 2441. War crimes
    >
    > (a) Offense.— Whoever, whether inside or outside the United States, commits
    > a war crime, in any of the circumstances described in subsection (b), shall
    > be fined under this title or imprisoned for life or any term of years, or
    > both, and if death results to the victim, shall also be subject to the
    > penalty of death.
    > (b) Circumstances.— The circumstances referred to in subsection (a) are
    > that
    > the person committing such war crime or the victim of such war crime is a
    > member of the Armed Forces of the United States or a national of the United
    > States (as defined in section 101 of the Immigration and Nationality Act)..
    > (c) Definition.— As used in this section the term "war crime" means any
    > conduct—
    > (1) defined as a grave breach in any of the international conventions
    > signed
    > at Geneva 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such convention to which the
    > United States is a party;
    > (2) prohibited by Article 23, 25, 27, or 28 of the Annex to the Hague
    > Convention IV, Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land, signed 18
    > October 1907;
    > (3) which constitutes a violation of common Article 3 of the international
    > conventions signed at Geneva, 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such
    > convention to which the United States is a party and which deals with
    > non-international armed conflict; or
    > (4) of a person who, in relation to an armed conflict and contrary to the
    > provisions of the Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of
    > Mines, Booby-Traps and Other Devices as amended at Geneva on 3 May 1996
    > (Protocol II as amended on 3 May 1996), when the United States is a party
    > to
    > such Protocol, willfully kills or causes serious injury to civilians.
    >
    >
    > The Republican Party - the Case for Treason
    > September 17, 2002
    > By Anonymous
    >
    > I hereby accuse the Republican Party of committing repeated acts of High
    > Treason against the United States. I submit the following list of charges,
    > and respectfully demand that the Congress investigate them fully, in an
    > open
    > and public way, and take appropriate action if the investigation concludes
    > that the accused are guilty:
    >
    > Charge 1: That during the presidential campaign of 1968, members of the
    > Republican Party, not then in office, did harm the safety and credibility
    > of
    > the United States, and did bring about the death of thousands of US
    > military
    > personnel, by making secret contact with and negotiating with an enemy of
    > the United States, the government of North Vietnam, in an attempt to induce
    > that foreign government to postpone peace negotiations with the rightful
    > government of the United States, and thereby prolong the war, for the
    > purpose of gaining political advantage from the failure of those talks.
    >
    > Charge 2: That members of the Republican Party, including but not limited
    > to, members of the Richard Nixon Administration, did abuse the power of
    > their office and put the safety and credibility of the United States in
    > jeopardy, in order to aid the interests of private political donors. To
    > wit,
    > that members of the Republican Party, as members of the Nixon
    > Administration, interfered in the affairs of a sovereign nation, Chile, and
    > did actively and illegally promote and participate in a coup d'etat in that
    > country--including acts of murder--avowedly for the purpose of protecting
    > the United States from the presumed threat of a Socialist government in
    > Chile, but actually to protect the financial interests of several large
    > corporate donors to the Republican Party who did business in that country..
    >
    > Charge 3: That members of the Republican Party, including members of the
    > administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, harmed the safety
    > and credibility of the United States by conducting an arms deal with the
    > nation of Iran in direct violation of US law, then obstructed justice and
    > lied to the Congress to cover for it, and subsequently abused their power
    > of
    > office by pardoning themselves to avoid criminal penalty.
    >
    > Charge 4: That members of the Republican Party, including but not limited
    > to
    > members of the Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush Administrations, put the
    > safety and credibility of the United States at risk by spending US treasure
    > to provide military equipment and training to the nation of Iraq--a nation
    > which the current Administration now claims presents a clear and present
    > danger to the United States--despite the knowledge that the government of
    > Iraq was a threat to peace, and had committed atrocities against its own
    > people and against others, and despite the certainty that this military
    > funding would undermine the moral authority of the United States to act in
    > self defense against Iraq in the eyes of the rest of the world.
    >
    > Charge 5. That members of the Republican Party, including but not limited
    > to
    > members of Congress, harmed the safety and credibility of the United States
    > by diverting its treasure and attention to a partisan political pursuit of
    > President William Clinton--which pursuit included:
    >
    > a. the planting of a Republican party spy in the White House;
    > b. the misuse of the FBI and the Department of Justice for partisan
    > political gain;
    > c. the bullying of witnesses known to be innocent;
    > d. the denying of counsel to witnesses;
    > e. the intentional leaking of erroneous information to the press;
    > f. the setting of a "perjury trap" for the President of the United States..
    >
    > Further, I charge that this self-serving partisan attack divided and
    > diverted the attention of the United States at a time that terrorist
    > enemies
    > were plotting against the nation. Indeed, when in 1998 President Clinton
    > attempted to strike at a terrorist base in Sudan, the Republican Party
    > openly mocked and attempted to undermine the credibility of the effort,
    > doing so purely for the purposes of further partisan political gain.
    >
    > Charge 6: That members of the Republican Party, including but not limited
    > to, members of the Administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and
    > George W. Bush, harmed the safety and credibility of the United States by
    > causing papers and documents related to their activities conducted in the
    > name of the public to be removed from public view and access, for the
    > avowed
    > purpose of protecting the nation, but actually for the purpose of hiding
    > from the public activities which, if revealed, would be politically
    > damaging
    > to themselves. The various acts of this nature by members of the Republican
    > Party are in violation of both the letter and the spirit of the laws which
    > require and demand transparency in our government, and without which
    > freedom
    > and democracy cannot survive.
    >
    > Charge 7: That members of the Republican Party, acting as agents of The
    > Halliburton Company, harmed the safety and credibility of the United States
    > by covertly conducting business with the nation of Iraq, in direct
    > violation
    > of US law, and in doing so provided Iraq with the means to purchase the
    > weapons of mass destruction with which it now threatens the United States
    > and its citizens around the world.
    >
    > Charge 8: That members of the Republican Party, including but not limited
    > to
    > members of the George W. Bush Administration, did harm the safety,
    > credibility, and financial well-being of the United States, by
    > misrepresenting or obscuring the actions of their Administration and other
    > government agencies before, during, and after the terrorist attacks of
    > 9/11/2001, for the purpose of protecting themselves from political damage..
    > Specifically, that:
    >
    > a. members of the Republican party, as members of the Bush Administration,
    > damaged the reputation of the Presidency of the United States by
    > propagating
    > a false story that the White House was a terrorist target on 9/11/2001;
    >
    > b. members of the Republican Party, including but not limited to members of
    > the George W. Bush Administration, have failed to give the public a full
    > and
    > open accounting of the security and intelligence failures that allowed the
    > terrorist attacks of 9/11/2001 to succeed in killing thousands of
    > Americans;
    >
    >
    > c. members of the Republican Party, including but not limited to members of
    > the George W. Bush Administration, have so far held no individual or agency
    > responsible for those gross failures, despite voluminous evidence that
    > individuals and agencies responsible should have recognized that the
    > attacks
    > were coming;
    >
    > d. members of the Republican Party, including but not limited to members of
    > the George W. Bush Administration, have attempted to thwart a thorough
    > investigation into those gross failures, going as far as instigating an FBI
    > probe to find who in the government "leaked" details of the failures to the
    > press, without which leaks the public would have little knowledge of the
    > failures;
    >
    > e. members of the Republican Party, including but not limited to members of
    > the George W. Bush Administration, have harmed the safety and credibility
    > of
    > the United States by using the terrorist attacks of 9/11/2001 as a pretext
    > to further their pre-existing political agenda, ignoring or misrepresenting
    > the nature, causes, and sources of the attacks in order to lend support to
    > their partisan arguments in favor of:
    >
    > 1. drilling for oil in ANWR;
    > 2. continuing to fund a National Missile Defense Program;
    > 3. invading the nation of Iraq;
    >
    > f. members of the Republican Party, including but not limited to members of
    > the George W. Bush Administration, have harmed the safety, credibility, and
    > financial well-being of the United States by agitating publicly and
    > vociferously for a military attack on Iraq, using the terrorist attacks of
    > 9/11/2001 as a pretext, despite the fact that they have presented no
    > credible evidence to the American public or the world that a connection
    > exists between those attacks and Iraq, and despite the fact that launching
    > such an attack without proper evidence and without the support of a
    > significant number of allied countries puts the United States and its
    > citizens at tremendous risk, both by exacerbating the already inflamed
    > anti-Americanism now found throughout the world, and by ignoring the
    > potentially devastating economic effects of a flight from the US of foreign
    > capital at a time when the country's manufacturing is spread throughout the
    > globe, and when its current trade deficit is $2.5 trillion, i.e., 25% of
    > the
    > GDP.
    >
    >
    > These charges, ample evidence of which can be found in the public record,
    > demonstrate a pattern of treasonous behavior, by which the Republican Party
    > has repeatedly put the safety, credibility and well-being of the United
    > States and its citizens at risk for the purpose of partisan political gain.
    >
    > The Congress of the United States owes a duty to the American people to
    > aggressively investigate these charges, using all its legal authority and
    > all available sources of information. And should it find the accused
    > guilty,
    > it owes a duty to the American people to mete out such justice as is
    > required by law.
    >
    > mc
    >
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  5. OT: Charges against The Republican Party for Treason and War Crimes

    --- On Mon, 11/10/08, joseph dolliver wrote:

    You can add to this another Republican crime. This is another hoodwink from
    the party that is leaving a lasting mark on the confidence of the american
    people...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110902155.html

    ************************************************** ********
    Joe,

    What this proves is, "If you give each Senator a billion dollars, they willvote for anything".

    You forget, this bailout was a bipartisan measure.

    I have learned, when I hear bipartisan, I instinctively grab my wallet.

    As I said before, politics is just a more advanced form of organized crime.

    James pointed out how people rationalize their opinions.* Today, congresshas the lowest approval rating in history, and yet, the incumbents usuallywin by an overwhelming margin.

    Here's a good idea for a law, "If a public official is found guilty of fraud, they would be required to:* 1) give up their pension... and 2) no longer be eligible for any public office."

    Of course the odds of getting that law passed is about 0 to none.

    -Craig

    Fire. Them. All.



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