OT: Mars - Hewlett Packard

This is a discussion on OT: Mars - Hewlett Packard ; On: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:33:06 -0500, Denys Beauchemin wrote: > Well let me see now, the environmentalist movement has so far killed > between 10 and 30 million people, Yes, they are really going to have to light a ...

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    On: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:33:06 -0500, Denys Beauchemin
    wrote:

    > Well let me see now, the environmentalist movement has so far killed
    > between 10 and 30 million people,


    Yes, they are really going to have to light a fire under themselves if
    they are ever going to catch up the the ideologues of nationalism and
    economic determinism who manage to accomplish far more killing than that
    every generation. Not that we are ever going to see how M. Beauchemin
    comes up with his figures, nor are we ever goinfg to see what the offsets
    were in terms of lives saved and injuries forstalled.

    > downed two space shuttles and their astronauts and severely damaged
    > our forests, among many similar accomplishments.


    Well, Dr. Richard Feynman, Nobel Lauarate and former member of the
    Manhatten Project, found differently in his investigation into the
    Challanger disaster and laid the reponsiblity at the door of people who
    put their personal beliefs ahead of the evidence available, groupthink in
    point of fact. A practice which contibuted mightily to the second
    disaster shuttle disaster as well. The favoured approach seems to be:
    Close ones eyes to the evidence, pray for the best and blame the vicitims
    if things turn out badly. Pretty much describes the American
    neo-conservative world-view.

    The environmentalism movement has so many adherents for one simple reason,
    the degree to which narrow private economic interest often externalizes
    its costs onto the backs of its neighbours without their consent. It is
    hardly surprising that in a world of instant commiunication and
    wide-spread literacy that these interests and their true costs are
    rapidily indentified and resisted by their intended victims.

    One of the primary reasons that there are any forests left standing to
    "damage" is the environmentalist movement dating back to the early 1900's
    evidenced in the National Park System. Given the lack of detail provided
    to support his outragious and baseless claims one can only speculate that
    by "damage" M. Beauchemin is referring to the recent change in practice to
    allow certain forest fires to take their natural course and refrain from
    intervention to protect ecconomic interests. This is a judgement call and
    while it may be flawed it is inherently no worse then the former practice
    which had the effect of ageing forests until they possessed litterally
    explosive amounts of fuel that, when ignited, often sterilized the very
    ground on which they stood.

    Now, since the topic is Mars, how about the contribution made by manifest
    political provincialism to the failure of NASA's Mars Climate Orbiter a
    few years back. Why is the United States of America the ONLY nation on
    the globe not to formally adopt the ISO measurment standards? And what
    standards do they have? Why those formally employed by the state from whom
    they declared independence over two hundred years ago. Ironic is it not?

    M. Beauchamin apparently lives in a world of simple black and white, which
    implies that its atmosphere is comprised of a vaccum, and evidently lit by
    a very dim star.

    Sincerely,

    --
    James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca
    Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca
    9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241

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  2. Re: OT: Mars

    Actually some good news for a change. It look like we are finally going to
    stop letting a couple million people die needlessly every year.

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...2Y3OTc5YWNmNzU
    5MmQ=


    Denys

    -----Original Message-----
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    Of James B. Byrne
    Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 11:16 AM
    To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
    Subject: [HP3000-L] OT: Mars

    On: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:33:06 -0500, Denys Beauchemin
    wrote:

    > Well let me see now, the environmentalist movement has so far killed
    > between 10 and 30 million people,


    Yes, they are really going to have to light a fire under themselves if
    they are ever going to catch up the the ideologues of nationalism and
    economic determinism who manage to accomplish far more killing than that
    every generation. Not that we are ever going to see how M. Beauchemin
    comes up with his figures, nor are we ever goinfg to see what the offsets
    were in terms of lives saved and injuries forstalled.

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  3. Re: OT: Mars

    about damn time, this has been bugging me for years. Note all the
    critics comments. it "may" cause eagle egg shell thinning, it "may"
    reduce the flow of milk in nursing mothers, it "may" cause babies to
    have low birth weight, it "may" cause dogs to grow wings, ok I made
    up the last one. With all these "may" comments, one thing we know,
    it WILL reduce the cases of malaria but an insanely large margin.

    More environmentalist extremism at work, at least people finally woke up.

    At 06:15 AM 10/3/2006, Denys Beauchemin wrote:
    >Actually some good news for a change. It look like we are finally going to
    >stop letting a couple million people die needlessly every year.
    >
    >http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...2Y3OTc5YWNmNzU
    >5MmQ=
    >
    >
    >Denys
    >
    >-----Original Message-----
    >From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU] On Behalf
    >Of James B. Byrne
    >Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 11:16 AM
    >To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
    >Subject: [HP3000-L] OT: Mars
    >
    >On: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:33:06 -0500, Denys Beauchemin
    > wrote:
    >
    > > Well let me see now, the environmentalist movement has so far killed
    > > between 10 and 30 million people,

    >
    >Yes, they are really going to have to light a fire under themselves if
    >they are ever going to catch up the the ideologues of nationalism and
    >economic determinism who manage to accomplish far more killing than that
    >every generation. Not that we are ever going to see how M. Beauchemin
    >comes up with his figures, nor are we ever goinfg to see what the offsets
    >were in terms of lives saved and injuries forstalled.
    >
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