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  1. LINUX Hardware issues

    I am by no means a Linux expert .

    I have removable hard drives on my PC so I can begin to delve deeper
    into various distributions of LINUX.

    What drives me crazy now is that older versions of same LINUX
    distributions seem to recognize certain key hardware better than
    newer distributions.

    I sued to have a Mandarke 7.1 and it used to recognize the Hayes
    external modem Now I loaded Mandarke 9.1 and it does not recognize the
    Hayes modem

    I tried Redhat 9 and Fedora 7 (on the same PC) and they both work
    with the Hayes modem after playing a bit with the kppp, but the
    Mandrake default install does not even have kppp installed it seems I
    may be wrong)

    But the problem is theat , (again on the same PC and monitor), while
    Mandarke 9.1 lets me setup the maximum available screen display
    resolution , the Fedora 7 & Redhat 9 keeps limiting the resoltion at
    like 800 & 600 or such.
    What do I run ? Harddrake or something ?

    Next question is wrappers . I am told there are some wrappers to make
    work WinModems to work with Linux.
    Is this true.

    I think everyone pretends like they understand what a wrapper is, do
    they ? I have heard this term used in the context of C++
    programming , but what is it exactly ?

    Next question > I have this Compaq Presario C304NR laptop . I am
    told there are some wrappers to make the modem and wireless (WiFi)
    work under Linux. Where is this ? How do I install this ? (My laptop
    modem & WiFi work fine under Vista & XP)

    Final question > How much better is Mandriva 2007 than Mandrake 9.1
    Which is the best place to buy a DVD
    ( I cannot download, I am still in stone ages with dial-up) ?


  2. Re: LINUX Hardware issues

    john_smith_nebraska@excite.com wrote:

    [slight snip]

    > Final question > How much better is Mandriva 2007 than Mandrake 9.1


    Well, KDE is actually useable now.

    --
    Weblog - http://inbothworlds.wordpress.com/
    R.L.U. #300033 - MDV 2006 - KDE 3.4

  3. Re: LINUX Hardware issues

    On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:44:55 -0700, john_smith_nebraska@excite.com wrote:
    > I am by no means a Linux expert .
    >
    > I have removable hard drives on my PC so I can begin to delve deeper
    > into various distributions of LINUX.


    I just use ~10gig partitions on a big drive and have a mulit-boot lilo
    boot loader.

    > What drives me crazy now is that older versions of same LINUX
    > distributions seem to recognize certain key hardware better than
    > newer distributions.


    And vice versa depending on hardware.

    > I sued to have a Mandarke 7.1 and it used to recognize the Hayes
    > external modem Now I loaded Mandarke 9.1 and it does not recognize the
    > Hayes modem


    Yeah, serial ports are going the way of the 7 inch diskettets.
    My guess all you will need to do is pick the correct serial port and
    away you go. I know for a fact it worked for me. Newer kppp will hunt
    for it and should find it.

    > I tried Redhat 9 and Fedora 7 (on the same PC) and they both work
    > with the Hayes modem after playing a bit with the kppp, but the
    > Mandrake default install does not even have kppp installed it seems I
    > may be wrong)


    So, install kppp. Better to light that candle than curse the darkness.

    > But the problem is theat , (again on the same PC and monitor), while
    > Mandarke 9.1 lets me setup the maximum available screen display
    > resolution , the Fedora 7 & Redhat 9 keeps limiting the resoltion at
    > like 800 & 600 or such.
    > What do I run ? Harddrake or something ?


    That is a redhat/fedora question.

    > Next question is wrappers . I am told there are some wrappers to make
    > work WinModems to work with Linux.
    > Is this true.


    Yes, but if you have an old external modem, I would suggest you do not
    have a winmodem.

    >
    > Next question > I have this Compaq Presario C304NR laptop . I am
    > told there are some wrappers to make the modem and wireless (WiFi)
    > work under Linux. Where is this ? How do I install this ? (My laptop
    > modem & WiFi work fine under Vista & XP)


    For your laptop modem, http://www.linmodems.org/
    Knowing your chip set may help.

    > Final question How much better is Mandriva 2007 than Mandrake 9.1


    Define better. World of changes have been made since 9.1

    > Which is the best place to buy a DVD


    And we are supposed to know where you live.

    Guessing North Carolina USA, I'll suggest, (warning, line wrap)
    http://shop.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/c...va&id=DJEhqZrg

    For the old pc, 0070011333 Mandriva Linux 2007 "free" x86 4 CD Set
    if it does not have a DVD drive.

    0070011334 D Mandriva Linux 2007 "free" x86 and x86_64 DVD-R
    for machines with a dvd drive.


  4. Re: LINUX Hardware issues

    On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:44:55 -0700, john_smith_nebraska wrote:

    > I am by no means a Linux expert .
    >
    > I have removable hard drives on my PC so I can begin to delve deeper
    > into various distributions of LINUX.


    OK, but I don't really see the connection.

    >
    > What drives me crazy now is that older versions of same LINUX
    > distributions seem to recognize certain key hardware better than
    > newer distributions.
    >
    > I sued to have a Mandarke 7.1 and it used to recognize the Hayes
    > external modem Now I loaded Mandarke 9.1 and it does not recognize the
    > Hayes modem


    There is a script called 'scanmodem' which facilitates setup of modi. To
    be quite frank, dialup is dying. Last year in the US more people had
    broadband than dialup.

    >
    > I tried Redhat 9 and Fedora 7 (on the same PC) and they both work
    > with the Hayes modem after playing a bit with the kppp, but the
    > Mandrake default install does not even have kppp installed it seems I
    > may be wrong)
    >
    > But the problem is theat , (again on the same PC and monitor), while
    > Mandarke 9.1 lets me setup the maximum available screen display
    > resolution , the Fedora 7 & Redhat 9 keeps limiting the resoltion at
    > like 800 & 600 or such.
    > What do I run ? Harddrake or something ?
    >
    > Next question is wrappers . I am told there are some wrappers to make
    > work WinModems to work with Linux.
    > Is this true.
    >
    > I think everyone pretends like they understand what a wrapper is, do
    > they ? I have heard this term used in the context of C++
    > programming , but what is it exactly ?
    >
    > Next question > I have this Compaq Presario C304NR laptop . I am
    > told there are some wrappers to make the modem and wireless (WiFi)
    > work under Linux. Where is this ? How do I install this ? (My laptop
    > modem & WiFi work fine under Vista & XP)


    My recommendation would be: don't. It's much better to have something like
    the Dlink wna-2330 (atheros chipset) that works 'out of the box' with
    mad-wifi - no ndiswrapper. IMHO ndiswrapper is a major PITA.

    >
    > Final question > How much better is Mandriva 2007 than Mandrake 9.1


    How much better is a new Chevy than a '57 Chevy? Some would claim it's
    worse.

    > Which is the best place to buy a DVD
    > ( I cannot download, I am still in stone ages with dial-up) ?



  5. Re: LINUX Hardware issues

    john_smith_nebraska@excite.com wrote:
    > I am by no means a Linux expert .



    > I tried Redhat 9 and Fedora 7 (on the same PC) and they both work
    > with the Hayes modem after playing a bit with the kppp, but the
    > Mandrake default install does not even have kppp installed it seems I
    > may be wrong)
    >
    > But the problem is theat , (again on the same PC and monitor), while
    > Mandarke 9.1 lets me setup the maximum available screen display
    > resolution , the Fedora 7 & Redhat 9 keeps limiting the resoltion at
    > like 800 & 600 or such.


    > Which is the best place to buy a DVD
    > ( I cannot download, I am still in stone ages with dial-up) ?
    >

    Most of your questions have already been addressed by other postings,
    i.e. I have little to add, having had the same problem with older vs
    newer versions and subsequently "dumped" kppp. Two of your questions can
    probably be solved by referring you to Barry Kauler's highly innovative
    Puppy Linux (presently v. 2.16 and variants thereof; they can be run
    entirely from a "multisession" CD/DVD, or a 512-1gig USB stick; I am
    doing both). Barry has been working hard configuring Puppy also for some
    Win "modems". Also, at some 90MB you could download it also with a
    dial-up connection, or simply send $10 to the appropriate Puppy address
    (cf. Puppy website), which I did before getting ADSL.
    cheers
    septus

  6. Re: LINUX Hardware issues

    Well this is certainly cross posted to enough groups to get answers,
    perhaps to enough groups to annoy some people.

    On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:44:55 -0700, john_smith_nebraska wrote:

    [edit]
    > Next question is wrappers . I am told there are some wrappers to make
    > work WinModems to work with Linux.
    > Is this true.
    >


    Yes.

    > I think everyone pretends like they understand what a wrapper is, do
    > they ? I have heard this term used in the context of C++ programming ,
    > but what is it exactly ?
    >


    Not everyone is pretending.

    An interesting point is that it only took Google .16 sec to find
    information describing wrappers.

    A simplistic way of thinking about wrappers would be as 'translators'.


    > Next question > I have this Compaq Presario C304NR laptop . I am told
    > there are some wrappers to make the modem and wireless (WiFi) work under
    > Linux. Where is this ? How do I install this ? (My laptop modem & WiFi
    > work fine under Vista & XP)
    >


    Well, I'm not surprised that a winmodem works fine under Windows nor that
    wireless works on a system that has the drivers for it. Chances are good
    that the system was built with parts known to work with Windows. One would
    be able to do the same if they were starting out to build a system
    designed to run GNU/Linux.

    As has been mentioned, you'll need to identify the hardware in order to
    determine what modules you need in the kernel or loaded. This really isn't
    much different than Windows, it isn't unheard of to have to load a driver
    when one adds hardware to a computer running Windows, the big difference
    is that hardware manufacturers supply the driver for Windows and often
    don't bother to write drivers for Linux. Some don't want to expose how
    their stuff works. It's a tribute to the hard work of open source
    developers that they are often able to write modules for equipment without
    the cooperation of the manufacturer.

    I have a very much older Presario, it has a LT (Lucent Technologies - now
    Alcatel) winmodem. Your laptop might be the same, modules have been
    written for the LT modems. You need to get the one that works with your
    kernel.

    My Google search found things like the following which refers to booting
    from a usb drive: "Next step was connecting it to my Compaq Presario
    C304NR laptop. I was not expecting it to work, but everything works well.
    I had to use ndiswrapper for the wifi card (bcm45xxx) and I got the Intel
    945G video card configured for 1280x800." This was in reference to Unbuntu
    but is likely somewhat similar to what is needed for Mandriva.

    Bit Twister is expert on Mandriva, if you ask specific questions you'll
    get excellent advice.

    I do understand the frustration one can feel when things don't "just work"
    but these days there are lots of distros with live CD's that let one test
    out a distro before installing. At least one will send you a free CD. And,
    at least one small distro has been mentioned that is less than 100M, still
    a long download on dial up but possible overnight or over several days if
    you use a program that can resume the download if the connection drops.

    This might be a good site to have a look at:
    http://distrowatch.com/

    Rodney



  7. Re: LINUX Hardware issues

    On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:44:55 -0700, john_smith_nebraska wrote:

    > Final question > How much better is Mandriva 2007 than Mandrake 9.1


    This is easy. Answer is a great deal. Linux keeps on getting better,
    albeit with a few glitches.

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