On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:05:33 -0700, Aikanaro wrote:

> I have a problem with installing an old server. I dont know about the
> exact hardware inside. It is a compaq ProLiant DL320 which is about 5
> years old. About everything is working after installing a debian
> system (v. 2.6.18), but the system isnt auto-detecting my ISDN card
> (which is onboard) and I have no clue how to find out about it.

What does lspci give you?
I'm not sure if hwdetect or discover are any good.

I believe there is somewhere in the doco/online a list of cryptic numbers
that can be obtained from these devices (aka they use this number to
actually identify the device) and if you can find the number in the
output, it might give you a clue, or a search hint.

Found any specs online?

Curiosity, what is the ISDN used for?

On 2008-08-07, terryc hit the keyboard and wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:05:33 -0700, Aikanaro wrote:
>
>> I have a problem with installing an old server. I dont know about the
>> exact hardware inside. It is a compaq ProLiant DL320 which is about 5
>> years old. About everything is working after installing a debian
>> system (v. 2.6.18), but the system isnt auto-detecting my ISDN card
>> (which is onboard) and I have no clue how to find out about it.
>
> What does lspci give you?
> I'm not sure if hwdetect or discover are any good.
>
> I believe there is somewhere in the doco/online a list of cryptic numbers
> that can be obtained from these devices (aka they use this number to
> actually identify the device) and if you can find the number in the
> output, it might give you a clue, or a search hint.
>
> Found any specs online?
>
> Curiosity, what is the ISDN used for?

Network IIRC, it was the next step up from the dial-up modem, faster
but still slower then a modern NIC. They were/are being used widely
in Europe. ISDN was also used to give a customer two tel-lines, one
for phone, the other for fax, it's a while that I actually used any
of them at my work, so I'm not sure....

Guess we both can read up about it at our own leisure :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISDN


Maybe the OP could stick in a Live-CD like Knoppix to see the
Hardware. (but 2.6.18 isn't that old) yet Debian needs a lot of
tweaking, I speak from experience here...

>
>



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> Curiosity, what is the ISDN used for?

internet access maybe??
i think it is a fact that the entire earth is not yet hooked to fiber or
wi-fi..

st

On 7 Aug., 16:13, DenverD wrote:
> > Curiosity, what is the ISDN used for?
>
> internet access maybe??
> i think it is a fact that the entire earth is not yet hooked to fiber or
> wi-fi..
>
> st

it is supposed to be used for a faxserver for a small company internet
is at least broadband... probably even better

lspci gives the following:

00:00.0 Host bridge: Broadcom CNB20LE Host Bridge (rev 06)
00:00.1 Host bridge: Broadcom CNB20LE Host Bridge (rev 06)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL (rev
27)
00:03.0 System peripheral: Compaq Computer Corporation Advanced System
Management Controller
00:0f.0 ISA bridge: Broadcom OSB4 South Bridge (rev 51)
00:0f.1 IDE interface: Broadcom OSB4 IDE Controller
00:0f.2 USB Controller: Broadcom OSB4/CSB5 OHCI USB Controller (rev
04)
01:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro
100] (rev 08)
01:04.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro
100] (rev 08)
01:05.0 IDE interface: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 0649 Ultra ATA/100 PCI
to ATA Host Controller (rev 02)


I thought about using a life system, but the server hasn't got a dvd
drive and it wont (for whatever reason) not accept an extern one. And
sicne we have no life system on cd but only on dvd i woould have to
bring one withme tomorrow


Regards, Philipp

Dragomir Kollaric wrote:

>> Curiosity, what is the ISDN used for?
>
> Network IIRC, it was the next step up from the dial-up modem, faster
> but still slower then a modern NIC. They were/are being used widely
> in Europe. ISDN was also used to give a customer two tel-lines, one
> for phone, the other for fax, it's a while that I actually used any
> of them at my work, so I'm not sure....
>
> Guess we both can read up about it at our own leisure :-)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISDN

I'm fairly sure he knows what ISDN is, he asked what it is used for.

You didn't know?

DenverD wrote:
>> Curiosity, what is the ISDN used for?
>
> internet access maybe??
> i think it is a fact that the entire earth is not yet hooked to fiber or
> wi-fi..
>


Or xDSL?

On 2008-08-07, Cork Soaker hit the keyboard and wrote:
> Dragomir Kollaric wrote:
>
>>> Curiosity, what is the ISDN used for?
>>
>> Network IIRC, it was the next step up from the dial-up modem, faster
>> but still slower then a modern NIC. They were/are being used widely
>> in Europe. ISDN was also used to give a customer two tel-lines, one
>> for phone, the other for fax, it's a while that I actually used any
>> of them at my work, so I'm not sure....
>>
>> Guess we both can read up about it at our own leisure :-)
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISDN
>
> I'm fairly sure he knows what ISDN is, he asked what it is used for.
>
> You didn't know?

I read his question too. Anybody who knows about ISDN knows
that it was/is used for telephone/fax. I'm not sure if it
was used outside of Europa that much, but in Germany and
Austria, (most likely Switzerland too) it was used a lot.
Some used it for Internet too.. because if you have one
dial-up line hooked up to the phone it is being blocked
(you cant receive phone calls), ISDN allowed you to have
two connection the one for the modem, the other for
calling/receive calls. This was the use of ISDN I knew of.

I posted the link, because I'm not in the habit to read a
site, and then copy and paste the information into the post,
if the person *asking* for the information can do the same.

Maybe ISDN is still being used for phone/fax, (I don't know
anybody who does this for private or business use) but less
for Internet these days.



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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:13:29 +0200, Dragomir Kollaric wrote:

> I posted the link, because I'm not in the habit to read a
> site, and then copy and paste the information into the post,
> if the person *asking* for the information can do the same.

Yes, I did know, but it was helpful to remind the brain about Bri/Pri etc

I was also being a bit Australian centric when I asked as AFAIK, it has
mostly disappeared from its major uses here.

I stand to be corrected, but in Australia ISDN could be considered rare as
it carried a high cost in setup charges, ongoing fees and hardware
items. So its main use was in a step upfrom DATEL lines (9600 baud anyone)

Many ISPs found it cheaper to have a setup similar
to Pc/computer with stallion/bocca card fanning out to 16 modems on 16+
seperately installed telephone lines. This was definitely the setup in BBS
times.

My own SOHO had five seperate lines for voice, fax & 3 X modem (BBS).

However, it changed during the 80's when our national telco reduced
certain charges and some ISP installed BRIs of 30 lines. At that
time , customers were all dialup.

I didn't have a lot to do with it in business, except reading the
flashing lights to Telcos service centre when it stopped working. About
the time I last had to worry about these things, in the city, they were
rolling out fibre to replace the copper back to the exchange.

I believe it survives here in remote places, aka you can still get it
installed for home use if your site meets certain eclectic requirements.
Although I believe our telco has a distinct preference for satellite
services.

Hopefully someone in business networkng in Australia might through is some
more up to date knowledge of current use.






some places where ADSL

i believeWe did and I
> Maybe ISDN is still being used for phone/fax, (I don't know
> anybody who does this for private or business use) but less for
> Internet these days.
>
>
>
> Dragomir Kollaric

Dragomir Kollaric wrote:
> On 2008-08-07, Cork Soaker hit the keyboard and wrote:
>> Dragomir Kollaric wrote:
>>
>>>> Curiosity, what is the ISDN used for?
>>> Network IIRC, it was the next step up from the dial-up modem, faster
>>> but still slower then a modern NIC. They were/are being used widely
>>> in Europe. ISDN was also used to give a customer two tel-lines, one
>>> for phone, the other for fax, it's a while that I actually used any
>>> of them at my work, so I'm not sure....
>>>
>>> Guess we both can read up about it at our own leisure :-)
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISDN
>> I'm fairly sure he knows what ISDN is, he asked what it is used for.
>>
>> You didn't know?
>
> I read his question too. Anybody who knows about ISDN knows
> that it was/is used for telephone/fax. I'm not sure if it
> was used outside of Europa that much, but in Germany and
> Austria, (most likely Switzerland too) it was used a lot.
> Some used it for Internet too.. because if you have one
> dial-up line hooked up to the phone it is being blocked
> (you cant receive phone calls), ISDN allowed you to have
> two connection the one for the modem, the other for
> calling/receive calls. This was the use of ISDN I knew of.
>
> I posted the link, because I'm not in the habit to read a
> site, and then copy and paste the information into the post,
> if the person *asking* for the information can do the same.
>
> Maybe ISDN is still being used for phone/fax, (I don't know
> anybody who does this for private or business use) but less
> for Internet these days.

I know a company that still uses painfully slow ISDN for their ISP, but
the guy who makes the decisions is a complete moron. They can have ADSL
cheaper and much faster, but as I said....

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Dragomir Kollaric wrote:

> On 2008-08-07, Cork Soaker hit the keyboard and wrote:
>> Dragomir Kollaric wrote:
>>
>>>> Curiosity, what is the ISDN used for?
>>>
>>> Network IIRC, it was the next step up from the dial-up modem, faster
>>> but still slower then a modern NIC. They were/are being used widely
>>> in Europe. ISDN was also used to give a customer two tel-lines, one
>>> for phone, the other for fax, it's a while that I actually used any
>>> of them at my work, so I'm not sure....
>>>
>>> Guess we both can read up about it at our own leisure :-)
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISDN
>>
>> I'm fairly sure he knows what ISDN is, he asked what it is used for.
>>
>> You didn't know?
>
> I read his question too. Anybody who knows about ISDN knows
> that it was/is used for telephone/fax. I'm not sure if it
> was used outside of Europa that much, but in Germany and
> Austria, (most likely Switzerland too) it was used a lot.
> Some used it for Internet too.. because if you have one
> dial-up line hooked up to the phone it is being blocked
> (you cant receive phone calls), ISDN allowed you to have
> two connection the one for the modem, the other for
> calling/receive calls. This was the use of ISDN I knew of.

One of my prior employers (large European company) used ISDN extensively
for videoconferencing.

Whoever wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Dragomir Kollaric wrote:
>
>> On 2008-08-07, Cork Soaker hit the keyboard and wrote:
>>> Dragomir Kollaric wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Curiosity, what is the ISDN used for?
>>>>
>>>> Network IIRC, it was the next step up from the dial-up modem, faster
>>>> but still slower then a modern NIC. They were/are being used widely
>>>> in Europe. ISDN was also used to give a customer two tel-lines, one
>>>> for phone, the other for fax, it's a while that I actually used any
>>>> of them at my work, so I'm not sure....
>>>>
>>>> Guess we both can read up about it at our own leisure :-)
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISDN
>>>
>>> I'm fairly sure he knows what ISDN is, he asked what it is used for.
>>>
>>> You didn't know?
>>
>> I read his question too. Anybody who knows about ISDN knows
>> that it was/is used for telephone/fax. I'm not sure if it
>> was used outside of Europa that much, but in Germany and
>> Austria, (most likely Switzerland too) it was used a lot.
>> Some used it for Internet too.. because if you have one
>> dial-up line hooked up to the phone it is being blocked
>> (you cant receive phone calls), ISDN allowed you to have
>> two connection the one for the modem, the other for
>> calling/receive calls. This was the use of ISDN I knew of.
>
> One of my prior employers (large European company) used ISDN extensively
> for videoconferencing.
>

ACTUALLY, now you mention it. My major American company based in the
North-East of England whose name I shall not remember, did exactly the same.

But this was long before broadband. ;-)

It was the best air-conditioned room in the house!

On 2008-08-08, Cork Soaker hit the keyboard and wrote:
> Whoever wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Dragomir Kollaric wrote:
>>
>>> On 2008-08-07, Cork Soaker hit the keyboard and wrote:
>>>> Dragomir Kollaric wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Curiosity, what is the ISDN used for?
>>>>>
>>>>> Network IIRC, it was the next step up from the dial-up modem, faster
>>>>> but still slower then a modern NIC. They were/are being used widely
>>>>> in Europe. ISDN was also used to give a customer two tel-lines, one
>>>>> for phone, the other for fax, it's a while that I actually used any
>>>>> of them at my work, so I'm not sure....
>>>>>
>>>>> Guess we both can read up about it at our own leisure :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISDN
>>>>
>>>> I'm fairly sure he knows what ISDN is, he asked what it is used for.
>>>>
>>>> You didn't know?
>>>
>>> I read his question too. Anybody who knows about ISDN knows
>>> that it was/is used for telephone/fax. I'm not sure if it
>>> was used outside of Europa that much, but in Germany and
>>> Austria, (most likely Switzerland too) it was used a lot.
>>> Some used it for Internet too.. because if you have one
>>> dial-up line hooked up to the phone it is being blocked
>>> (you cant receive phone calls), ISDN allowed you to have
>>> two connection the one for the modem, the other for
>>> calling/receive calls. This was the use of ISDN I knew of.
>>
>> One of my prior employers (large European company) used ISDN extensively
>> for videoconferencing.


Never heard about that, but I wasn't really looking into it
deeply, when it hit the market the *LITTLE* information I
had stored away in my brain, came from small articles in
news-papers dealing with the phone/fax side of it.

I was toying with the idea for a while, but then when
a cable company offered a 3 part package (phone, TV,
broad-band Internet) I took up their offer, and never looked
back. I could see how slow modem were. As to ASDL, I've
heard about that too, but again I didn't spend much time
researching it. At the place I work we too use broad-band,
as this is the *way* to go...

>>
>
> ACTUALLY, now you mention it. My major American company based in the
> North-East of England whose name I shall not remember, did exactly the same.
>
> But this was long before broadband. ;-)
>
> It was the best air-conditioned room in the house!

I can imagine :-)



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