On 17 Jan 2006 11:31:04 -0800, "johnfowles"
wrote:

>I posted this on another CE newsgroup but after no response thought
>maybe it was the wrong newsgroup to consult

This newsgroup is about the best fit for your 820. I'm curious about
which newsgroup you tried earlier; I monitor a lot and didn't notice
your post.


>
>HI I am a newbie (almost) to the world of windows CE and handheld PCs
> I had until recently shied away from CE on the basis that it was
>likely to pale in comparison with 98x. However I will soon be taking
>
>delivery of a used HP Jornada 820 "handheld" (surely mini-notebook is a
>
>better description ?)

It has some advantages, and some distinct disadvantages. Even your
relatively large 820 is smaller than most laptops, and probably has a
longer battery life. You are far less likely to get viruses. If you do
want to restart, you can do a hard reset to restore the 820 to
factory-fresh (clean operating system, no installed data or programs).
But the Pocket apps (Word, etc.) are definitely subsets of their
desktop versions.


>that I bought for a most reasonable sum on ebay UK and wanted to try to
>
>get to know the operaring sytem in advance by running it on either a
>Pentium class desktop or on an old 486 notebook (where I fancied CE
>might possibly be a worthwhile substitute for DOS and Windows 3.1)

Windows CE is not available retail. So you cannot buy a copy and
install it.

>I do not yet have the Jornada's CE/Pocket version program CDs but to
>get started I though it would be a simple matter of finding and
>downloading the CE program. but no the nearest I have got so far
>having googled many expressions is the setup program for a windows ce
>emulator from the Microsoft site but then found when trying to install
>on a 98SE PC that I would need either W2000 SP4 or WXP SP1 neither of
>which I have .I am trying to complete the build of a new XP desktop
>but felt sure that I'd be able to try CE out on the old 486 desktop. I
>did note that CE comes in various flavors to suit various CPUs such as
>
>the Jornada 820's Strongarm CPU
>but surely there is some way of emulating CE on other and lesser
>equipment??

Nope. The only emulator for the HPC Pro platform (base operating
system plus hardware specifications plus applications running on your
820) is the one that comes with the HPC Pro SDK (software development
kit) from Microsoft. It is meant for developers, works only with
software compiled for it, requires an operating system that fully
supports UNICODE, and is only a loose approximation of reality.


>In particular I wanted to see how CE handles file listing on a
>Jornada's own internal RAM and a Compact Flash card and whether it
>features a sort of start menu and program listing like regular Windows
>since 95. Any thoughts will be gratefully received

The user interface (Task Bar, Start menu, desktop, etc.) will look
familiar, but not quite identical.


>John Fowle

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On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:31:04 -0800, johnfowles wrote:

> I posted this on another CE newsgroup but after no response thought maybe
> it was the wrong newsgroup to consult

Emulating CE is simple;

- Switch off your PDA at random intervals whilst using it to emulate
crashes.
- Take out the batteries every so often so you lose all your data to
emulate CE throwing it away.
- Leave it switched on all night so the batteries are flat when you next
come to use it, to emulate CE doing weird things and refusing to charge
the batteries.
- Use a dice to decide which applications to randomly uninstall to emulate
CE losing your apps.

Then go and buy a Filofax.

Windows CE - Windows without the reliability, usability or stability of
Windows.

--
"Other people are not your property."
[email me at huge [at] huge [dot] org [dot] uk]

Very droll Huge many thanks for the warning
John Fowles
fowlesjohn@hotmail.com

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:04:17 -0800, johnfowles wrote:

> Very droll Huge many thanks for the warning John Fowles

Aren't you dead?

--
"Other people are not your property."
[email me at huge [at] huge [dot] org [dot] uk]

No Huge !!!
If you go to my website:-
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/ you can read that I am only a budding Web
Author but I do have a tribute/information /picture page there for my
namesake and second favo(u)rite author
Number one has to be Nevil Shute:-
http://www.nevilshute.org/

Captain's log. On StarDate Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:19:57 +0000 received comm from
Huge on channel comp.sys.handhelds:

: Emulating Huge is simple;
:
: - Switch off your brain at random intervals whilst using it to emulate
: crashes.
: - Take out the pace maker batteries every so often so you lose all your data to
: emulate Huge throwing it away.
: - Leave Huge switched on all night so the pace masker batteries are flat when you next
: come to use it, to emulate Huge doing weird things and refusing to charge
: the pace maker batteries.
: - Use a dice to decide which body parts to randomly uninstall to emulate
: Huge losing his life.
:
: Then go and buy another doll.
:
: Huge - clueless animal without the reliability, usability or stability of
: normal humans.

Indeed.

martin

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Captain's log. On StarDate 19 Jan 2006 12:04:17 -0800 received comm from
"johnfowles" on channel comp.sys.handhelds:

: Very droll Huge many thanks for the warning
: John Fowles
: fowlesjohn@hotmail.com

Warning: Don't listen to "Huge".

His a resident troll in these groups who always picks a figth or starts a flame
bait against anyone who like Windows Mobile (CE, Pocket PC, Smartphone, etc).
Check Google Groups for huge@huge.org.uk postings here to get the picture.

He has absolutley no (good) life...

His just probably an old grumpy man who is angry against Microsoft and feels
hate towards them just beacuse Windows CE / Mobile outlived his Psion / EPOC
handheld (which he now watches starving into obvilation with much anger and
bitterness).

Beacuse of this it's mostly very sorry for him, but he simply has to let his
steam out somewhere (and these groups are perfect for that purpose). :-)

To be a little bit more on the serious side; download this free CE emulator to
get a good feeling for your upcoming Windows CE machine:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

Good luck!

martin

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