Corrupt Installation Disks - GEOS

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  1. Re: Corrupt Installation Disks

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:15:54 GMT, Pat wrote:

    > "Richard Steiner" wrote in message
    > news:+fuPApHpvOEe092yn@visi.com...
    >> Here in comp.os.geos.misc, "Pat"
    >> spake unto us, saying:


    > Don't know how I can turn straw into gold, or make GEOS a viable
    > alternative
    > to Windows, Linux, or the MacOS in the 21st Century. At least, not under
    > its
    > current implementation and design, and that's why most GEOS users have
    > another OS to fill their GEOS void. Like YOU!


    That's the problem you don't, you just winge and whine instead of saying
    something constructive and leaving it, because of people like you, in the
    industry, Geos may not be rescued but die a sad death. You can motivate,
    or you can weigh down with hegatives. I suspect that many more people
    here, have a lot more respect for you, and understanding of your veiws,
    since this thread started, enjoy.

  2. Re: Corrupt Installation Disks


    "Wayne" wrote in message
    newspr38os7kzgcp3q2@news.optusnet.com.au...

    Avioding, or getting yourself out of, trouble, or
    > using unsimple programs and applications is not. That is why we will be
    > using intelliegent agent programs one day to do things for us and keep us
    > out of trouble, but if we have sense we will make the underlying system as
    > foolproof and simple as possible as well (otherwise I would not trust
    > agents designed by the same people to keep up).


    Its my opinion that a PC or a Mac, is no different from any other tool when
    it comes to maintenance and repair. Cars, refrigerators, stoves, radios,
    etc. And I'm not going to fall in a trap of saying they're all exactly the
    same. Most modern cars are way outside the capabilities of the car owner to
    diagnose and repair an engine problem, however, the probability is better
    that same person would have enough understanding to open his/her PC up and
    debug that the hard drive just crashed, for example.

    > Australia has the second highest literacy rate in the world (behind Demark
    > I believe, be proud you people from Demark, it is a honour). My jaw
    > nearly dropped when I saw a TV report, years ago, on an official study
    > that showed that the majority of Americans (or maybe 45%, many figures
    > appeared) could not even find the US on the world map.


    Someone ought to do something about the discrimination against the native
    Australians who are rioting in the streets. Are they included in this
    literacy bonanza you brag about? Also, show me all the great things
    Australians have invented in the world, since graduating from being Europe's
    jail colony. ROTFL!

    > Sure nowdays you can download SP1 and updates and make XP mostly stable
    > (performance still sucks like only a moron or ignoramous would believe it
    > doesn't), and I advise people to stop listening to those dimwits out there
    > that say uninstall XP and reinstall 98SE, because since SP1 many issues
    > have been solved and the driver situation has been greatly improving.


    Windows XP is about the most stable desktop OS I've used so far. I'm just
    relaying my own experience and that of everyone I know who have zero
    complaints, and I'd hear from them if there was a problem, because they are
    always asking my advice if any problems happen. Now under Windows 9x, that's
    a different story!



  3. Re: Corrupt Installation Disks


    "Wayne" wrote in message
    newspr38pnuvogcp3q2@news.optusnet.com.au...
    > On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:15:54 GMT, Pat wrote:


    > That's the problem you don't, you just winge and whine instead of saying
    > something constructive and leaving it, because of people like you, in the
    > industry, Geos may not be rescued but die a sad death. You can motivate,
    > or you can weigh down with hegatives. I suspect that many more people
    > here, have a lot more respect for you, and understanding of your veiws,
    > since this thread started, enjoy.


    Wayne,

    I started using GEOS when Brian Dougherty gave a demo of Ensemble 1.0 Beta,
    way back in 1990. Therefore, I'm not someone who jumped into this ng without
    deep experience in early GEOS lore. I admit that my admiration waned as
    Geoworks became less interested in the desktop and Microsoft started to
    improving their OS. There isn't anything significantly new about GEOS today,
    that hasn't existed over 5 years. The OS has reached its end, and I would
    not expect any respect from you, or anyone here, if I lied and said
    otherwise. If I'm wrong, prove it.

    Your Turn.



  4. Re: Corrupt Installation Disks

    On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 03:16:23 GMT, Pat wrote:

    >
    > "Wayne" wrote in message
    > newspr38os7kzgcp3q2@news.optusnet.com.au...
    >
    > Avioding, or getting yourself out of, trouble, or
    >> using unsimple programs and applications is not. That is why we will be
    >> using intelliegent agent programs one day to do things for us and keep
    >> us
    >> out of trouble, but if we have sense we will make the underlying system
    >> as
    >> foolproof and simple as possible as well (otherwise I would not trust
    >> agents designed by the same people to keep up).

    >
    > Its my opinion that a PC or a Mac, is no different from any other tool
    > when
    > it comes to maintenance and repair. Cars, refrigerators, stoves, radios,
    > etc. And I'm not going to fall in a trap of saying they're all exactly
    > the
    > same. Most modern cars are way outside the capabilities of the car owner
    > to
    > diagnose and repair an engine problem, however, the probability is better
    > that same person would have enough understanding to open his/her PC up
    > and
    > debug that the hard drive just crashed, for example.


    Yes, but the problem with modern cars is that they want to trap people
    into expensive specialist repair services (in our case the PC store or
    freind).

    >
    >> Australia has the second highest literacy rate in the world (behind
    >> Demark
    >> I believe, be proud you people from Demark, it is a honour). My jaw
    >> nearly dropped when I saw a TV report, years ago, on an official study
    >> that showed that the majority of Americans (or maybe 45%, many figures
    >> appeared) could not even find the US on the world map.

    >
    > Someone ought to do something about the discrimination against the native
    > Australians who are rioting in the streets. Are they included in this
    > literacy bonanza you brag about? Also, show me all the great things
    > Australians have invented in the world, since graduating from being
    > Europe's
    > jail colony. ROTFL!


    Actually our national "average" has been pretty great compared to most of
    the world, but most of it goes oversease for expliotation, but at the
    moment I am too sick to name any (apart from the coloqueal(I know I can't
    spell to save myself) Hill's Hiost. The greatest chip designer in the
    States was from the regional university I went to, I was too sick to
    follow into advanced electronics and Gate Array and Programmable array
    logic design (yumm, those nanoseconds, drifting by my eyes).

    Discrimination, I find it offensive that they are treated the way they are
    and am quiet sympathetic to the struggle, but the truth is that I have
    received as much discrimination as many do nowadays (even from
    themselves). I think a large section of the population has had problems
    with Glandula fever (which I had with another nasty disease called Ross
    River Virus) which, from experience, with their, at times, malnourished
    diet could become semi-permamently dissabilitating. But what do people
    expect, the social structure is very different from the average
    Australian, and the social standards can be such that the majority of
    Australians would not accept from a non-native Australian. I have had a
    number of Aboriginal freinds, and find it easier to get along with them
    than white Australians. Due to the many social problems there are a
    section out and in the parks drunk out of their minds, shouting abuse
    like, "white trash", fighting, abusing, each other and others, being
    resentfull, coniving and stealing (there is a shelter (there are a number
    of shelters) near a freind's store and he is nearly broke because fo the
    shoplifting). The social culture is very much "in each other's pockets",
    close, personal and emotional, sharing (but with less emphasis on
    boundaries, wealth, greed, and responsibility). This sort of culture is
    very good in itself, but not with substance abuse among emotional people
    also lacking in boundaries and responsibility, in the larger Australian
    society ussuallty only the very poor are like this. The infighting,
    domestic abuse, sexual abuse satistics, and ingraind generational poverty
    are staggering. The thing about poverty, they found with a very large,
    long term study, was that it didn't matter where ever you were black or
    white, if you came from an generationally impoverished family you were
    just as likely to end up in the same. I would (from experience) take this
    to be because perosnal culture and values are important factors, develope
    the culture and many people can get out of poverty. (the standard level
    headed, calm, rational, controlled, cold, central Euopean culture approach
    prominment among the rich (the rich Asian approach is probably not much
    different either) I don't fully agree with either, it is cold, greedy,
    conformist and does not included different people to easily, and has made
    problems for native Aboriginals. One story told me, from somebodies
    else's experiences, was about a man that bought a cassett player (with
    most of his payment) to play a tape, afterwards listening for a while he
    just left the cassette player, and walked off. You see the greed of the
    European would try to collect all the wealth for themselves, the only way
    around it is to have the culture and values to figure out how to get and
    keep your own portion of the wealth (notice how I don't say to get "all
    the wealth" for yourself like the greedy European might. When I say
    European I mean only certain people descentant of certain studious Central
    European business cultures, my appologies to everybody else. So I don't
    advocate a non sharing, caring, personal culture, like the guy in the
    story might have, I believe there are good and bad points in most Earthly
    culture we can learn from.

    There have also been some culture gaps with modern society too. Just in
    my local town and other incidences I have seen on TV, these are some of
    the more memorable things I remember, though still rare: making campfires
    on the wooden floor of a house, hosing out the wooden floor of their
    electrified homes with water, deficating on the floor, or not flushing
    because they don't know how to use a tiolet. In some parts, even though
    new houses are provided they are trashed within a year or two, and people
    lend up living outside (though standard housing tends to be cold in the
    desert, near 100F day/night temperature swings).

    Now what you don't realise is that the native Australian receives as much
    as other Australians plus special payments and massively increased
    infrastructure covering everythig from wealtfare, own additional self
    governence, arts, funding. I haven't got current figure but it is
    probably nearly $250 for the unemployed, with the Aus doller being at .75
    of the US doller you work it out (and living out of the city is
    significantly cheaper than the US). All aboriginal children can get the
    same State education as any other (includes literacy) if they desire, so
    they tend to learn something, even if they drop out of school). The
    aboriginal population is very small and the extra funding is staggering.
    Most Australians would be happy if the money produced good results, but it
    hasn't produce good enough results. Many academic aboriginals and other
    academic supporters have been in active/pasive denial of problems that
    have lead to the problems becoming entrenched (forget the other word but
    it is something like estemic). For instance: Human rights legislation
    would dictate that you can't ban alchohole in aboriginal communities, so
    even though the Aboriginal Australian did not have the genetic alchohole
    resistance to alchohol, as Europeans, they were allowed to be pionsioned
    by it. Since alchohol was allowed in the late 60's/early 70's Aboriginal
    society and wealfare has gone down hill. Recently, in my part of the
    State (probably at least half the size of Texas) the aboriginal women and
    some communities, sick of the drunken domestic violence, sexual abuse etc
    going on, stood up and demanded alchohol free communities and did it
    themselves. I believe presently the government now supports and
    legislates this as well (I don't watch the news much anymore). There has
    been great overnight sucesses in these alchohole free communities before.
    Human rights advocates didn't agee with it though. I believe myself, they
    should simply license everybody in Australia to drink (until they loose
    their license for a time), then no groups rights need to be unfairly
    trampled upon. The truth is Australia is a good UN signer, so it is
    bemusingly said that the person with the least rights in Australia is the
    average white adult male. To tell you the truth there is an unfortunate
    culture of the Police not intervening in cases of violence, harrament and
    drunken behavour, when it involves people of aboriginal origin. Usually
    the police will assertain that it involves people of an aboriginal nature
    and then take 45 minutes to 3 hours (that's when one local spate of
    domestic violence developed into a mini riot, by looks of it they might
    not have been planning to turn up at all) instead of 10 minutes. It is
    literally a legal mindfeild/headache for them to get involved.

    The block where the riots happened was given to the Aborigninal community
    years ago, it is one of the toughest areas in the country, but it is
    really upto the people who live there to make it different, the violence
    is, as far as I know, is not imported but produced there. It is the way
    people choose to live, the culture and the personal values they choose to
    live by. Despite how people think of you, or treat you, you can allways
    rise above their unrealistically low expectations of yourself. But if you
    expect to live like you do, or expect that you can't rise above their
    expectations, you may not. If you have such low expectations, the rest of
    the community will not have much to expect any more of you. (A bit like
    what you, Pat, expect of Geos, which is certain death, versus what Bread
    Box expects from Geos). See, a lot more assistance per head goes in then
    in the larger community but the results are also much less. The other
    problem is resentment, some true, some politically polished, that blames
    others for your situation, or perceived situation, or other events,
    forgivenes and peace is the only solution for this. Now there is a
    section walking around, of many races, with scowls on their faces, violent
    and arrogant in a rage looking for problems (many other simular subtypes
    looking for power, significance, influence, domination, intimidation etc,
    we'll not go into those here). What happened was a boy, in trouble with
    the police before, mistakenly thought the police was after him, when they
    were after another young man (I think he was with) who had committed a
    robbery earlier that day (violent I think) the kid fled and accidentally
    impaled himself on a fence post (I think he ran into it off his bike).
    The poor lad died, under normal circumstances a tradegy that nobody would
    be happy about. But a rumour started up that the police were after him
    when he died, after much drinking the rumour got out of hand and the riot
    started sometimes afterwards, was it real grief, rage, resentment or an
    excuse to let frustrations rip, I don't know. But I don't think it was
    justified, if this happened to another Australian, there would have been
    greif at a tradergy, even an enquiry, but not this.

    There is a certain resentfull element content to make trouble, most of
    them not pure blooded Aboriginals. The thing is resentment, rage, or
    unforgiveness, can make you blind to the situation and lead you to make
    mountains out of mole hills (or even nothing), and to miss the solutions
    to the real problems.

    The piont is that modern Australians tend to be the most tolerant of
    societies, virtually the only society on Earth that multi-culturism has
    worked, very tolerant of immigrants and helpfull. But despite all the
    assistance and money, the Aborignal people still find themselves
    impoverished. A bit tired to think but, it is really upto them to decide
    how to exist in present society and get it's benefits (twice the average
    lifespan health and wealth, yada, yada), the rest of Australia can help
    but can not be expected do it for them.

    I put the problem of the past to be down to different races and classes.
    I get along well with poms (English people), they really are great to deal
    with, but English society is made up of multiple different races. I think
    one of the original problems is that the upper class English are from
    level headed German (2-3 races there too) and French descent. So they
    have a disctinctly different culture and attitude. Like most Germaic
    tribes, from the upper class to the Rahjs of India, they have hierarchy
    and conformity. So most of the people in controll (including officers)
    were from this stock, the culture then carried down in Australian society
    until being mostly lost last century. They would have expected everybody
    to conform, including the Aboriginals. The varience to the upper class
    was wealthy squatters, that then tried to fit into the upperclass. Next
    is the Irish, the Irish came over in droves. During the goldrush, I seem
    to remember from class, they were responsible for killing a number of
    Chinnease in riotes, or something, I don't remember what they did to other
    races or aboriginals. Now put them together (with what ever difficencies
    from the common British citizen and soldiers) and you might have a better
    understanding of the source of the problems the aboriginals had (then it
    may not be, it is only a theory).

    (Please note the issues are a lot deeper and more expansive and complex
    than the surface scratchings I have displayed here, but as they might take
    a book to cover, I haven't included them).

    Now, there is an artifical enorcement of intellectural conformity in
    Australia in our pollitically correct circles, that is thankfully
    gradually crumbling after more than three decades of oppression. So, as a
    child born in the Sixties, I would like to say I am not purely
    conservative, or liberal, and not anti-aborignal, just a pro people
    realist, stating some of the known issues with the positive upswing that I
    don't think the problems are impossible and that they can beat them
    themselves. Also as a sort of Uni-Culturist I think that their cultures
    have their own valuable contribution to make to modern society, that the
    rest of us can learn from. In matter of fact, Pat, those Gaols (Jails)
    you were talking about, I have a book around here that proposes that
    common classical Australian culture allready owns much to the influence of
    the Aboriginal tribes that looked after, and taught, the wondering kids of
    the origional convicts, the first generation of white Australian commoners
    from which (I think in the book) we get the bushies (like the fictional
    Crocodile Dundee, raised by Aborignials). The distinctly original
    Australian cheekiness and values (though I'm told that Veneswalenes(??)
    have a simular sence of humour. But Australian culture has changed
    several times since then, In my State there were mostly Irish settlers,
    and it was a bit hillbilly, then the Italian immigrants came in and
    changed the polictical landscape and helped put it right, then the
    Polictically correct revolution, mulitculturism, and new immigrants
    changed it again, around the same time the decrease of Australian culture,
    and British culture, and the increase of American Culture is where we are
    today. If you go to the other end of the country, to Melbourne, with
    heavy immigrations from other countries, it is different again, and people
    are not as nice and helpful. So away with your kangaroo court (a term
    invented by Californian's to describe the illegal courts they would form
    to try and controll troublesome Australian prospectors during the
    Californian Gold Rush). So Pat, how have I faired in your trial, have I
    passed or failed?

    >
    >> Sure nowdays you can download SP1 and updates and make XP mostly stable
    >> (performance still sucks like only a moron or ignoramous would believe
    >> it
    >> doesn't), and I advise people to stop listening to those dimwits out
    >> there
    >> that say uninstall XP and reinstall 98SE, because since SP1 many issues
    >> have been solved and the driver situation has been greatly improving.

    >



    > Windows XP is about the most stable desktop OS I've used so far. I'm just
    > relaying my own experience and that of everyone I know who have zero
    > complaints, and I'd hear from them if there was a problem, because they
    > are
    > always asking my advice if any problems happen. Now under Windows 9x,
    > that's
    > a different story!


    Allways asking your advice, when they are intelliegent enough to figure it
    out for themselves, without a MS
    engineers cetificate even, Don't know why XP still buggers up on me
    (like it is today).
    >
    >


    Thanks

    Wayne.

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  5. Re: Corrupt Installation Disks

    On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 03:25:48 GMT, Pat wrote:

    >
    > "Wayne" wrote in message
    > newspr38pnuvogcp3q2@news.optusnet.com.au...
    >> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:15:54 GMT, Pat wrote:

    >
    >> That's the problem you don't, you just winge and whine instead of saying
    >> something constructive and leaving it, because of people like you, in
    >> the
    >> industry, Geos may not be rescued but die a sad death. You can
    >> motivate,
    >> or you can weigh down with hegatives. I suspect that many more people
    >> here, have a lot more respect for you, and understanding of your veiws,
    >> since this thread started, enjoy.

    >
    > Wayne,
    >
    > I started using GEOS when Brian Dougherty gave a demo of Ensemble 1.0
    > Beta,
    > way back in 1990. Therefore, I'm not someone who jumped into this ng
    > without
    > deep experience in early GEOS lore. I admit that my admiration waned as
    > Geoworks became less interested in the desktop and Microsoft started to
    > improving their OS. There isn't anything significantly new about GEOS
    > today,
    > that hasn't existed over 5 years. The OS has reached its end, and I would
    > not expect any respect from you, or anyone here, if I lied and said
    > otherwise. If I'm wrong, prove it.
    >
    > Your Turn.
    >
    >


    Well thanks for making your statement anyway. You do have a long pedigry,
    and I didn't expect that you just jumped in, I knew from your posts your
    been aound for a while, so sorry if I appeared otherwise. I suspect if
    you owned it you could even save Geos single handedly, but like me you
    have better things to do.

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  6. Re: Corrupt Installation Disks


    "Wayne" wrote in message
    newspr4ck29hagcp3q2@news.optusnet.com.au...


    > Yes, but the problem with modern cars is that they want to trap people
    > into expensive specialist repair services (in our case the PC store or
    > freind).


    No, the problem has to do with all the computers and sophistication built-in
    to meet smog control laws, get better engine milage (its a bragging point
    amongst dealers), automation that has creeped into cars because one does it
    and the competitior has to do it, etc, etc, also there is less mechanical
    only parts and more electro-mechanical. Its not the US, its Japan, all of
    Europe, et al.

    Don't you love the good old days when you didn't need a smog control and
    your gas guzzler could spew smoke whilst dragging down Main Street. LOL!

    > Discrimination, I find it offensive that they are treated the way they are
    > and am quiet sympathetic to the struggle, but the truth is that I have
    > received as much discrimination as many do nowadays (even from
    > themselves). I think a large section of the population has had problems
    > with Glandula fever (which I had with another nasty disease called Ross
    > River Virus) which, from experience, with their, at times, malnourished
    > diet could become semi-permamently dissabilitating. But what do people
    > expect, the social structure is very different from the average
    > Australian, and the social standards can be such that the majority of
    > Australians would not accept from a non-native Australian. I have had a
    > number of Aboriginal freinds, and find it easier to get along with them
    > than white Australians. Due to the many social problems there are a
    > section out and in the parks drunk out of their minds, shouting abuse
    > like, "white trash", fighting, abusing, each other and others, being
    > resentfull, coniving and stealing (there is a shelter (there are a number
    > of shelters) near a freind's store and he is nearly broke because fo the
    > shoplifting). The social culture is very much "in each other's pockets",
    > close, personal and emotional, sharing (but with less emphasis on
    > boundaries, wealth, greed, and responsibility). This sort of culture is
    > very good in itself, but not with substance abuse among emotional people
    > also lacking in boundaries and responsibility, in the larger Australian
    > society ussuallty only the very poor are like this. The infighting,
    > domestic abuse, sexual abuse satistics, and ingraind generational poverty
    > are staggering. The thing about poverty, they found with a very large,
    > long term study, was that it didn't matter where ever you were black or
    > white, if you came from an generationally impoverished family you were
    > just as likely to end up in the same. I would (from experience) take this
    > to be because perosnal culture and values are important factors, develope
    > the culture and many people can get out of poverty. (the standard level
    > headed, calm, rational, controlled, cold, central Euopean culture approach
    > prominment among the rich (the rich Asian approach is probably not much
    > different either) I don't fully agree with either, it is cold, greedy,
    > conformist and does not included different people to easily, and has made
    > problems for native Aboriginals. One story told me, from somebodies
    > else's experiences, was about a man that bought a cassett player (with
    > most of his payment) to play a tape, afterwards listening for a while he
    > just left the cassette player, and walked off. You see the greed of the
    > European would try to collect all the wealth for themselves, the only way
    > around it is to have the culture and values to figure out how to get and
    > keep your own portion of the wealth (notice how I don't say to get "all
    > the wealth" for yourself like the greedy European might. When I say
    > European I mean only certain people descentant of certain studious Central
    > European business cultures, my appologies to everybody else. So I don't
    > advocate a non sharing, caring, personal culture, like the guy in the
    > story might have, I believe there are good and bad points in most Earthly
    > culture we can learn from.
    >
    > There have also been some culture gaps with modern society too. Just in
    > my local town and other incidences I have seen on TV, these are some of
    > the more memorable things I remember, though still rare: making campfires
    > on the wooden floor of a house, hosing out the wooden floor of their
    > electrified homes with water, deficating on the floor, or not flushing
    > because they don't know how to use a tiolet. In some parts, even though
    > new houses are provided they are trashed within a year or two, and people
    > lend up living outside (though standard housing tends to be cold in the
    > desert, near 100F day/night temperature swings).
    >
    > Now what you don't realise is that the native Australian receives as much
    > as other Australians plus special payments and massively increased
    > infrastructure covering everythig from wealtfare, own additional self
    > governence, arts, funding. I haven't got current figure but it is
    > probably nearly $250 for the unemployed, with the Aus doller being at .75
    > of the US doller you work it out (and living out of the city is
    > significantly cheaper than the US). All aboriginal children can get the
    > same State education as any other (includes literacy) if they desire, so
    > they tend to learn something, even if they drop out of school). The
    > aboriginal population is very small and the extra funding is staggering.
    > Most Australians would be happy if the money produced good results, but it
    > hasn't produce good enough results. Many academic aboriginals and other
    > academic supporters have been in active/pasive denial of problems that
    > have lead to the problems becoming entrenched (forget the other word but
    > it is something like estemic). For instance: Human rights legislation
    > would dictate that you can't ban alchohole in aboriginal communities, so
    > even though the Aboriginal Australian did not have the genetic alchohole
    > resistance to alchohol, as Europeans, they were allowed to be pionsioned
    > by it. Since alchohol was allowed in the late 60's/early 70's Aboriginal
    > society and wealfare has gone down hill. Recently, in my part of the
    > State (probably at least half the size of Texas) the aboriginal women and
    > some communities, sick of the drunken domestic violence, sexual abuse etc
    > going on, stood up and demanded alchohol free communities and did it
    > themselves. I believe presently the government now supports and
    > legislates this as well (I don't watch the news much anymore). There has
    > been great overnight sucesses in these alchohole free communities before.
    > Human rights advocates didn't agee with it though. I believe myself, they
    > should simply license everybody in Australia to drink (until they loose
    > their license for a time), then no groups rights need to be unfairly
    > trampled upon. The truth is Australia is a good UN signer, so it is
    > bemusingly said that the person with the least rights in Australia is the
    > average white adult male. To tell you the truth there is an unfortunate
    > culture of the Police not intervening in cases of violence, harrament and
    > drunken behavour, when it involves people of aboriginal origin. Usually
    > the police will assertain that it involves people of an aboriginal nature
    > and then take 45 minutes to 3 hours (that's when one local spate of
    > domestic violence developed into a mini riot, by looks of it they might
    > not have been planning to turn up at all) instead of 10 minutes. It is
    > literally a legal mindfeild/headache for them to get involved.
    >
    > The block where the riots happened was given to the Aborigninal community
    > years ago, it is one of the toughest areas in the country, but it is
    > really upto the people who live there to make it different, the violence
    > is, as far as I know, is not imported but produced there. It is the way
    > people choose to live, the culture and the personal values they choose to
    > live by. Despite how people think of you, or treat you, you can allways
    > rise above their unrealistically low expectations of yourself. But if you
    > expect to live like you do, or expect that you can't rise above their
    > expectations, you may not. If you have such low expectations, the rest of
    > the community will not have much to expect any more of you. (A bit like
    > what you, Pat, expect of Geos, which is certain death, versus what Bread
    > Box expects from Geos). See, a lot more assistance per head goes in then
    > in the larger community but the results are also much less. The other
    > problem is resentment, some true, some politically polished, that blames
    > others for your situation, or perceived situation, or other events,
    > forgivenes and peace is the only solution for this. Now there is a
    > section walking around, of many races, with scowls on their faces, violent
    > and arrogant in a rage looking for problems (many other simular subtypes
    > looking for power, significance, influence, domination, intimidation etc,
    > we'll not go into those here). What happened was a boy, in trouble with
    > the police before, mistakenly thought the police was after him, when they
    > were after another young man (I think he was with) who had committed a
    > robbery earlier that day (violent I think) the kid fled and accidentally
    > impaled himself on a fence post (I think he ran into it off his bike).
    > The poor lad died, under normal circumstances a tradegy that nobody would
    > be happy about. But a rumour started up that the police were after him
    > when he died, after much drinking the rumour got out of hand and the riot
    > started sometimes afterwards, was it real grief, rage, resentment or an
    > excuse to let frustrations rip, I don't know. But I don't think it was
    > justified, if this happened to another Australian, there would have been
    > greif at a tradergy, even an enquiry, but not this.
    >
    > There is a certain resentfull element content to make trouble, most of
    > them not pure blooded Aboriginals. The thing is resentment, rage, or
    > unforgiveness, can make you blind to the situation and lead you to make
    > mountains out of mole hills (or even nothing), and to miss the solutions
    > to the real problems.
    >
    > The piont is that modern Australians tend to be the most tolerant of
    > societies, virtually the only society on Earth that multi-culturism has
    > worked, very tolerant of immigrants and helpfull. But despite all the
    > assistance and money, the Aborignal people still find themselves
    > impoverished. A bit tired to think but, it is really upto them to decide
    > how to exist in present society and get it's benefits (twice the average
    > lifespan health and wealth, yada, yada), the rest of Australia can help
    > but can not be expected do it for them.
    >
    > I put the problem of the past to be down to different races and classes.
    > I get along well with poms (English people), they really are great to deal
    > with, but English society is made up of multiple different races. I think
    > one of the original problems is that the upper class English are from
    > level headed German (2-3 races there too) and French descent. So they
    > have a disctinctly different culture and attitude. Like most Germaic
    > tribes, from the upper class to the Rahjs of India, they have hierarchy
    > and conformity. So most of the people in controll (including officers)
    > were from this stock, the culture then carried down in Australian society
    > until being mostly lost last century. They would have expected everybody
    > to conform, including the Aboriginals. The varience to the upper class
    > was wealthy squatters, that then tried to fit into the upperclass. Next
    > is the Irish, the Irish came over in droves. During the goldrush, I seem
    > to remember from class, they were responsible for killing a number of
    > Chinnease in riotes, or something, I don't remember what they did to other
    > races or aboriginals. Now put them together (with what ever difficencies
    > from the common British citizen and soldiers) and you might have a better
    > understanding of the source of the problems the aboriginals had (then it
    > may not be, it is only a theory).
    >
    > (Please note the issues are a lot deeper and more expansive and complex
    > than the surface scratchings I have displayed here, but as they might take
    > a book to cover, I haven't included them).
    >
    > Now, there is an artifical enorcement of intellectural conformity in
    > Australia in our pollitically correct circles, that is thankfully
    > gradually crumbling after more than three decades of oppression. So, as a
    > child born in the Sixties, I would like to say I am not purely
    > conservative, or liberal, and not anti-aborignal, just a pro people
    > realist, stating some of the known issues with the positive upswing that I
    > don't think the problems are impossible and that they can beat them
    > themselves. Also as a sort of Uni-Culturist I think that their cultures
    > have their own valuable contribution to make to modern society, that the
    > rest of us can learn from. In matter of fact, Pat, those Gaols (Jails)
    > you were talking about, I have a book around here that proposes that
    > common classical Australian culture allready owns much to the influence of
    > the Aboriginal tribes that looked after, and taught, the wondering kids of
    > the origional convicts, the first generation of white Australian commoners
    > from which (I think in the book) we get the bushies (like the fictional
    > Crocodile Dundee, raised by Aborignials). The distinctly original
    > Australian cheekiness and values (though I'm told that Veneswalenes(??)
    > have a simular sence of humour. But Australian culture has changed
    > several times since then, In my State there were mostly Irish settlers,
    > and it was a bit hillbilly, then the Italian immigrants came in and
    > changed the polictical landscape and helped put it right, then the
    > Polictically correct revolution, mulitculturism, and new immigrants
    > changed it again, around the same time the decrease of Australian culture,
    > and British culture, and the increase of American Culture is where we are
    > today. If you go to the other end of the country, to Melbourne, with
    > heavy immigrations from other countries, it is different again, and people
    > are not as nice and helpful. So away with your kangaroo court (a term
    > invented by Californian's to describe the illegal courts they would form
    > to try and controll troublesome Australian prospectors during the
    > Californian Gold Rush). So Pat, how have I faired in your trial, have I
    > passed or failed?


    This is not The Passion of The Wayne. Its a ng for the care and feeding of
    legacy DOS programs.


    > Allways asking your advice, when they are intelliegent enough to figure it
    > out for themselves, without a MS
    > engineers cetificate even, Don't know why XP still buggers up on me
    > (like it is today).


    Could be your hardware, memory, disk, the usual suspects. Personally, I try
    to pick Intel Motherboards that have a good track record. They generally get
    very high stability scores but lose out a tad in performance. I don't want a
    hotrod or marginal motherboard, I'd just settle for a stable one with
    excellent components applied.



  7. Re: Corrupt Installation Disks

    On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 16:38:28 GMT, Pat wrote:

    >
    > "Wayne" wrote in message
    > newspr4ck29hagcp3q2@news.optusnet.com.au...
    >
    >
    >> Yes, but the problem with modern cars is that they want to trap people
    >> into expensive specialist repair services (in our case the PC store or
    >> freind).

    >
    > No, the problem has to do with all the computers and sophistication
    > built-in
    > to meet smog control laws, get better engine milage (its a bragging point
    > amongst dealers), automation that has creeped into cars because one does
    > it
    > and the competitior has to do it, etc, etc, also there is less mechanical
    > only parts and more electro-mechanical. Its not the US, its Japan, all of
    > Europe, et al.


    Obviously you are too niave, ever heard of the 3 year warrantee where
    every service requires a A grade mechanic to complete the service and run
    an engine diagnostic on a manufacturers computer, said computer is only
    available official dealer ships. It went through the courts over here and
    the computers had to be made avilable to others (I believe) but they
    simply charged a fortune for them so that very few garages couuld afford
    them. A further court case (from what I know) stop the requirement of a A
    grad mechanic to put oil in the car etc. Ever see some of the original
    pollution controll cars, unyieldy sites that worked better when the
    pollution controll was unhooked. That soon dissapeared fortunately. You
    can design a Car simpler to go further at less cost, but where is the
    profit in that when you can make it ten times more complex to do the same
    thing and pick up on all the service and parts profits. You pciked the
    wrong consumer advocate to argue with, obviously your last name isn't
    Nadar. Ever hear about the European cars of yesteryear, you could stand
    in the engine bay of an Aus straight six and work on it, the Japanese cars
    where easy to work on, but mechanics found it a real chore to workk on the
    Fiates etc, unless they allready knew what they were doing, guess what
    Japanese and Aus cars went the same. Another thing is those preciouse
    engine computers, ohh yes that will be $450 for a replacement one, (which
    they send away to b refurbished on a repair line to be resold) $290 for a
    replacement (nearly 10 years ago that happened), the thing was designed
    wrongly that caused th fault.. Apple used to repair any motherboard fault
    on teh Apple color on a $50 exchange as a reference. Some guys I knew
    bought a washing machine second hand for around $210, the dial stopped
    functioning properly (simple sort of fault), to pop out the sealed dial
    controll and pop in a new one was, I think around $230 ($175 part), guess
    what he sneaked/took away the old unit, wich probably goes to be
    refurbished and resold. Most of these things are nowhere as complex as a
    cheap small production run motherboard. These things are setup to pool
    revenue to the manufacturers and their agents, manufacturers and agents
    controll the ma
    ket, because they controll what is and isn't sold to you, and they can
    simply maximise their longterm profit instead. In this country this has
    become a scourge in the last 20 years as all these niave college kids have
    come into industry and decided to squeeze everybody for all they are
    worth, cold hearts, lacking in Love and respect. A freind of mine,
    ex-lawyer, said yesterday, she got out because they were too dishonest,
    and had the opinion that lawyers were too criminal, no surprise after the
    slide to non Australian and non British culture in the last 30 years. It
    is all about controll and the controllable, like Windows users like
    yourself, if not then go and install Linux and make it is as good, I
    thought not.


    >> and British culture, and the increase of American Culture is where we
    >> are
    >> today. If you go to the other end of the country, to Melbourne, with
    >> heavy immigrations from other countries, it is different again, and
    >> people
    >> are not as nice and helpful. So away with your kangaroo court (a term
    >> invented by Californian's to describe the illegal courts they would form
    >> to try and controll troublesome Australian prospectors during the
    >> Californian Gold Rush). So Pat, how have I faired in your trial, have I
    >> passed or failed?

    >
    > This is not The Passion of The Wayne. Its a ng for the care and feeding
    > of
    > legacy DOS programs.


    Not even that (but for Geos users), but you raised the question in the
    first place, and it is a greviouse, even potentially polarising, touchy
    situation, that the modern press is loath not to generaliswe, steretype
    and put a spin on. I saw the movie last night, the movie is about the
    suffering and the endurance to enure that suffering, in this case because
    of love, that is what the Theologians call the Passion story, pressumably
    from where the movie's intent (among others) comes from. But, yes I do
    have a pssion for social justice, cosumer advocacy etc, otherwise I would
    not care about Windows XP/Geos, but just be another heartless victim/iser.

    >
    >
    >> Allways asking your advice, when they are intelliegent enough to figure
    >> it
    >> out for themselves, without a MS
    >> engineers cetificate even, Don't know why XP still buggers up on me
    >> (like it is today).

    >
    > Could be your hardware, memory, disk, the usual suspects. Personally, I
    > try
    > to pick Intel Motherboards that have a good track record. They generally
    > get
    > very high stability scores but lose out a tad in performance. I don't
    > want a
    > hotrod or marginal motherboard, I'd just settle for a stable one with
    > excellent components applied.


    Yes, those old golden deals between MS, Intel, major 3d card
    manufacturers, and major OEM's that excluded AMD OS/2 and the like, I
    know, if nobody bought from these companies (or anybody like them) then
    that form of controll would be crushed. Motherboard started playing up
    yesterday actually , everything lse has been upgradd with no
    difference. Still a lot of the problems have been from buggy old Windows
    XP, which MS admited and gave an inevitable static of errors per so many
    lines of code statistic to prove it (which means if you use a lot less
    lines you will have a lot less errors). Which also means if you have a
    good design and your programmers and designers are real good, and spend
    the time on it, you will also get a lot less erros per line of code as
    well. See that was the charm of Geos, if only it could be repeated
    somewhere.



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  8. Re: Corrupt Installation Disks

    Wayne schrieb:
    >
    > Hello, my Opera Web Browser's STUPID M2 (combined mail, newsgroup etc etc)
    > totally unrealted mail databse (that acts like it is designd and
    > programmed by microsoft, my goodness how many chances do I have to give
    > Opera to fix these stupid simple little problems), has totaly trashed my
    > newsgroup messages and databse, so I have lost all the news correspondace
    > for the last 6 months, so sorry if I can't reply to your last few messages
    > Pat.


    Besides the fact that reading or responding to Pats messages isn't
    something that one really needs (he's on my blacklist), the simple way
    to recover from this is to reset the RC file for this newsgroup.
    Depending on the software you're using it has different names, but it is
    the file that keeps track of the Mails you already read and the ones
    which are new.
    In Netscape, the file is called 'news.rc'. if you delete all the numbers
    behind the newsgroup name, all articles appear as new and will be
    presented gain next time you open the newsgroup. I don't know for Opera,
    but besides Netscape, also the Unix newsreaders I know of do use this
    mechanism.

    Grossibaer

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  9. Re: Corrupt Installation Disks

    Oh
    Pat




    On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:46:16 GMT, Pat wrote:

    >
    > "Wayne" wrote in message
    > newspr5d155aegcp3q2@news.optusnet.com.au...
    >> Hello, my Opera Web Browser's STUPID M2 (combined mail, newsgroup etc
    >> etc)
    >> totally unrealted mail databse (that acts like it is designd and
    >> programmed by microsoft, my goodness how many chances do I have to give
    >> Opera to fix these stupid simple little problems), has totaly trashed my
    >> newsgroup messages and databse, so I have lost all the news
    >> correspondace
    >> for the last 6 months, so sorry if I can't reply to your last few
    >> messages
    >> Pat.
    >>
    >> I am going to wipe the lot now and start again, so see you in a while.
    >>
    >> Wayne.

    >
    > I think I speak for all the GeoNuts here. I'm so sorry about your Soap
    > Opera. Try sticking with GEOS software, it does nothing so it can't blow
    > your system. ROTFL!
    >
    >




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  10. Re: Corrupt Installation Disks

    Thanks for our help, I recovered some of them by deleting the group and
    restarting. About P he wants to have the last say, and I don't care, but
    what the stuff, he wants the last say.

    On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:00:49 +0200, Jens-Michael Gross
    wrote:

    > Wayne schrieb:
    >>
    >> Hello, my Opera Web Browser's STUPID M2 (combined mail, newsgroup etc
    >> etc)
    >> totally unrealted mail databse (that acts like it is designd and
    >> programmed by microsoft, my goodness how many chances do I have to give
    >> Opera to fix these stupid simple little problems), has totaly trashed my
    >> newsgroup messages and databse, so I have lost all the news
    >> correspondace
    >> for the last 6 months, so sorry if I can't reply to your last few
    >> messages
    >> Pat.

    >
    > Besides the fact that reading or responding to Pats messages isn't
    > something that one really needs (he's on my blacklist), the simple way
    > to recover from this is to reset the RC file for this newsgroup.
    > Depending on the software you're using it has different names, but it is
    > the file that keeps track of the Mails you already read and the ones
    > which are new.
    > In Netscape, the file is called 'news.rc'. if you delete all the numbers
    > behind the newsgroup name, all articles appear as new and will be
    > presented gain next time you open the newsgroup. I don't know for Opera,
    > but besides Netscape, also the Unix newsreaders I know of do use this
    > mechanism.
    >
    > Grossibaer
    >




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  11. Re: Virttual B emulators

    On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 02:57:55 GMT, Pat wrote:

    > "Wayne" wrote in message
    > newspr5haqeevgcp3q2@news.optusnet.com.au...


    >> I have had an interesting idea, I have Nintendo Virtual Boys here, and I
    >> wonder if it is possible to get Geos running on it, through a PC
    >> emulator. Useless I addmit, but not if you get a serial memory card and
    >> keyboard to work through it's serial link port, and seperate the display
    >> device from the main unit and rebox both. So you have a very small head
    >> wearable display (like the private eye device the display system is basd
    >> on) and wear the unit waste mounted. Still stupid idea, maybe it would
    >> be
    >> better to remove display device and attach to small portable PC board
    >> from
    >> laptop/handheld.

    >
    > I heard that the Russian KGB all carry GEOS wrist watch computers. Is
    > that
    > true?
    >

    Ha ha, oh I need a Life, back to the new Tungsten T, for $150, ohhhhhh no,
    it is a dead system, MS is stomping on it's flames,you were right, the
    reason Fossil stopped the deveopment of the watch version was to sell it
    to the KGB to use Geos on it running under a top secret KGB Dos emulator,
    from before the fall of the wall, developed under the influence of future
    looking psyhics, who also infulenced Pat, with telephay over time, to ask
    this question in the future, ooohhh, ha, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Oh no
    now there stuffing up my wireless keyboard with secret High Defintion TV
    signals.


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