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  1. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    Pat wrote:
    > Volvos got a black eye in America for having the most atrocious record

    of
    > poorly constructed vehicles imported. Too bad, I understand they have

    since
    > cleaned up their act.


    I dont have to defend Volvo, but the only thing I know about Volvo (and
    SAAB) was the use of cheap belgian sheet metal in the bodyworks, which was
    corroding fast..

    > I don't know about your country but in America the emissions laws are
    > strict, mostly in California.


    Volvo 850 was the first car to forfill the Californian emission laws, I
    know, because the Volvo commercial have sticked to my brain. While both Volvo
    and SAAB is considered to be fuel efficient in the US, but the contrary is
    valid in Europe. A fuel efficient car here in Europe consumes about 0.7 to
    0.8 litre every 10 kilometres, even lower. Diesel cars is sold in very large
    quantities due to very low fuel consumption abot 0.3 to 0.4 litres every
    10 kilometres. Catalysts are standard in new cars.

    >As a result, most leaded gas engines went
    > through a period of adjustment. At first, their were a few unleaded pumps
    > then it slowly changed to the majority being unleaded and a few leaded,

    then
    > none. Therefore, it was not an overnight event. It was gradual. Lots of
    > folks had problems with the compression of their engines using unleaded

    gas
    > intheir leaded gas guzzlers. It was mostly an annoyance to the majority,
    > depending on which side of the controversary you were on.


    Well, there is no leaded petrol sold here since some years ago. The emission
    laws are very strict here in scandinavia, about the same as in California,
    I think, but more liberal to old cars, but they are soon scrapped away.

    Hans

    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Hans Lindgren" wrote in message
    > news:NewsReader.1.0.200381222033118752@news1.telia .com...
    > >
    > > Pat wrote:
    > > >
    > > > "Ray Kopczynski" wrote in message
    > > > news:20030812092650.07569.00000608@mb-m18.aol.com...
    > > >
    > > > > But as long as my PC works well and I have no need to spend the

    money
    > > on
    > > > newer
    > > > > hardware, it sure seems ludicrous to me to simply go out and buy

    it
    > > > because
    > > > > it's available...
    > > >
    > > > Once upon a time, all cars in America used leaded gas. They worked

    fine
    > > but
    > > > were environmentally behind the eight ball, although legal back then

    and
    > > > legal now. In addition, under some state laws it would not pass

    > inspection
    > > > unless it had a special plate. Those ancient leaded gas guzzlers ran

    > just
    > > > fine and one would get you to and from the grocery store or haul things

    > > from
    > > > point A to point B. So why replace it? If its a collector's car or

    a
    > hobby
    > > > vehicle, you might not want to ever replace it. But if its a vehicle

    for
    > > > general use it would be "envronmentally the right thing to do" if

    we all
    > > > disposed of those heaping wrecks of power thursty PCs with their
    > > > deteriorating electronic parts. Some states are grinding old PCs into
    > > > compounds that are used to fill pot holes. No kidding!
    > > >
    > > > Verdict: Get off your fat posterior and let the butterflies out of

    that
    > > > billfold of yours and help spark the economy, or is that against your
    > > > religion?

    > >
    > > Your analogy is halting as it goes perfectly well to switch gas from

    > leaded
    > > to unleaded depending of the brand of cars. I did so with my SAAB 900,

    > back
    > > in the 80's, and it was no problem with Volvo as well. As I think you

    > know,
    > > lead serves as a "greasing" component and the difference between leaded

    > and
    > > unleaded is what "greasing" component added. To my knowledge there have

    > been
    > > no change in the deliverence of electric power, except for the addition

    of
    > > "green" power. But to the contrary of petrol, you don't know what power

    > you
    > > get, do you?
    > >
    > > Hans
    > >

    >
    >
    >


  2. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    As memory serves me, those Volvos had a poor maintenance record. Today is
    much different.

    "Hans Lindgren" wrote in message
    news:NewsReader.1.0.2003813316521822960@news1.teli a.com...
    > Pat wrote:
    > > Volvos got a black eye in America for having the most atrocious record

    > of
    > > poorly constructed vehicles imported. Too bad, I understand they have

    > since
    > > cleaned up their act.

    >
    > I dont have to defend Volvo, but the only thing I know about Volvo (and
    > SAAB) was the use of cheap belgian sheet metal in the bodyworks, which was
    > corroding fast..
    >
    > > I don't know about your country but in America the emissions laws are
    > > strict, mostly in California.

    >
    > Volvo 850 was the first car to forfill the Californian emission laws, I
    > know, because the Volvo commercial have sticked to my brain. While both

    Volvo
    > and SAAB is considered to be fuel efficient in the US, but the contrary is
    > valid in Europe. A fuel efficient car here in Europe consumes about 0.7 to
    > 0.8 litre every 10 kilometres, even lower. Diesel cars is sold in very

    large
    > quantities due to very low fuel consumption abot 0.3 to 0.4 litres every
    > 10 kilometres. Catalysts are standard in new cars.
    >
    > >As a result, most leaded gas engines went
    > > through a period of adjustment. At first, their were a few unleaded

    pumps
    > > then it slowly changed to the majority being unleaded and a few leaded,

    > then
    > > none. Therefore, it was not an overnight event. It was gradual. Lots of
    > > folks had problems with the compression of their engines using unleaded

    > gas
    > > intheir leaded gas guzzlers. It was mostly an annoyance to the majority,
    > > depending on which side of the controversary you were on.

    >
    > Well, there is no leaded petrol sold here since some years ago. The

    emission
    > laws are very strict here in scandinavia, about the same as in California,
    > I think, but more liberal to old cars, but they are soon scrapped away.
    >
    > Hans
    >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Hans Lindgren" wrote in message
    > > news:NewsReader.1.0.200381222033118752@news1.telia .com...
    > > >
    > > > Pat wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > "Ray Kopczynski" wrote in message
    > > > > news:20030812092650.07569.00000608@mb-m18.aol.com...
    > > > >
    > > > > > But as long as my PC works well and I have no need to spend the

    > money
    > > > on
    > > > > newer
    > > > > > hardware, it sure seems ludicrous to me to simply go out and buy

    > it
    > > > > because
    > > > > > it's available...
    > > > >
    > > > > Once upon a time, all cars in America used leaded gas. They worked

    > fine
    > > > but
    > > > > were environmentally behind the eight ball, although legal back then

    > and
    > > > > legal now. In addition, under some state laws it would not pass

    > > inspection
    > > > > unless it had a special plate. Those ancient leaded gas guzzlers ran

    > > just
    > > > > fine and one would get you to and from the grocery store or haul

    things
    > > > from
    > > > > point A to point B. So why replace it? If its a collector's car or

    > a
    > > hobby
    > > > > vehicle, you might not want to ever replace it. But if its a vehicle

    > for
    > > > > general use it would be "envronmentally the right thing to do" if

    > we all
    > > > > disposed of those heaping wrecks of power thursty PCs with their
    > > > > deteriorating electronic parts. Some states are grinding old PCs

    into
    > > > > compounds that are used to fill pot holes. No kidding!
    > > > >
    > > > > Verdict: Get off your fat posterior and let the butterflies out of

    > that
    > > > > billfold of yours and help spark the economy, or is that against

    your
    > > > > religion?
    > > >
    > > > Your analogy is halting as it goes perfectly well to switch gas from

    > > leaded
    > > > to unleaded depending of the brand of cars. I did so with my SAAB 900,

    > > back
    > > > in the 80's, and it was no problem with Volvo as well. As I think you

    > > know,
    > > > lead serves as a "greasing" component and the difference between

    leaded
    > > and
    > > > unleaded is what "greasing" component added. To my knowledge there

    have
    > > been
    > > > no change in the deliverence of electric power, except for the

    addition
    > of
    > > > "green" power. But to the contrary of petrol, you don't know what

    power
    > > you
    > > > get, do you?
    > > >
    > > > Hans
    > > >

    > >
    > >
    > >




  3. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    Hmm, that is something I have never heard of, but that does not exclude
    it to be correct.

    Hans

    Pat wrote:
    > As memory serves me, those Volvos had a poor maintenance record. Today

    is
    > much different.
    >
    > "Hans Lindgren" wrote in message
    > news:NewsReader.1.0.2003813316521822960@news1.teli a.com...
    > > Pat wrote:
    > > > Volvos got a black eye in America for having the most atrocious record

    > > of
    > > > poorly constructed vehicles imported. Too bad, I understand they have

    > > since
    > > > cleaned up their act.

    > >
    > > I dont have to defend Volvo, but the only thing I know about Volvo (and
    > > SAAB) was the use of cheap belgian sheet metal in the bodyworks, which

    was
    > > corroding fast..
    > >
    > > > I don't know about your country but in America the emissions laws

    are
    > > > strict, mostly in California.

    > >
    > > Volvo 850 was the first car to forfill the Californian emission laws,

    I
    > > know, because the Volvo commercial have sticked to my brain. While both

    > Volvo
    > > and SAAB is considered to be fuel efficient in the US, but the contrary

    is
    > > valid in Europe. A fuel efficient car here in Europe consumes about

    0.7 to
    > > 0.8 litre every 10 kilometres, even lower. Diesel cars is sold in very

    > large
    > > quantities due to very low fuel consumption abot 0.3 to 0.4 litres every
    > > 10 kilometres. Catalysts are standard in new cars.
    > >
    > > >As a result, most leaded gas engines went
    > > > through a period of adjustment. At first, their were a few unleaded

    > pumps
    > > > then it slowly changed to the majority being unleaded and a few leaded,

    > > then
    > > > none. Therefore, it was not an overnight event. It was gradual. Lots

    of
    > > > folks had problems with the compression of their engines using unleaded

    > > gas
    > > > intheir leaded gas guzzlers. It was mostly an annoyance to the majority,
    > > > depending on which side of the controversary you were on.

    > >
    > > Well, there is no leaded petrol sold here since some years ago. The

    > emission
    > > laws are very strict here in scandinavia, about the same as in California,
    > > I think, but more liberal to old cars, but they are soon scrapped away.
    > >
    > > Hans
    > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "Hans Lindgren" wrote in message
    > > > news:NewsReader.1.0.200381222033118752@news1.telia .com...
    > > > >
    > > > > Pat wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "Ray Kopczynski" wrote in message
    > > > > > news:20030812092650.07569.00000608@mb-m18.aol.com...
    > > > > >
    > > > > > > But as long as my PC works well and I have no need to spend

    the
    > > money
    > > > > on
    > > > > > newer
    > > > > > > hardware, it sure seems ludicrous to me to simply go out and

    buy
    > > it
    > > > > > because
    > > > > > > it's available...
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Once upon a time, all cars in America used leaded gas. They worked

    > > fine
    > > > > but
    > > > > > were environmentally behind the eight ball, although legal back

    then
    > > and
    > > > > > legal now. In addition, under some state laws it would not pass
    > > > inspection
    > > > > > unless it had a special plate. Those ancient leaded gas guzzlers

    ran
    > > > just
    > > > > > fine and one would get you to and from the grocery store or haul

    > things
    > > > > from
    > > > > > point A to point B. So why replace it? If its a collector's car

    or
    > > a
    > > > hobby
    > > > > > vehicle, you might not want to ever replace it. But if its a vehicle

    > > for
    > > > > > general use it would be "envronmentally the right thing to do"

    if
    > > we all
    > > > > > disposed of those heaping wrecks of power thursty PCs with their
    > > > > > deteriorating electronic parts. Some states are grinding old PCs

    > into
    > > > > > compounds that are used to fill pot holes. No kidding!
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Verdict: Get off your fat posterior and let the butterflies out

    of
    > > that
    > > > > > billfold of yours and help spark the economy, or is that against

    > your
    > > > > > religion?
    > > > >
    > > > > Your analogy is halting as it goes perfectly well to switch gas

    from
    > > > leaded
    > > > > to unleaded depending of the brand of cars. I did so with my SAAB

    900,
    > > > back
    > > > > in the 80's, and it was no problem with Volvo as well. As I think

    you
    > > > know,
    > > > > lead serves as a "greasing" component and the difference between

    > leaded
    > > > and
    > > > > unleaded is what "greasing" component added. To my knowledge there

    > have
    > > > been
    > > > > no change in the deliverence of electric power, except for the

    > addition
    > > of
    > > > > "green" power. But to the contrary of petrol, you don't know what

    > power
    > > > you
    > > > > get, do you?
    > > > >
    > > > > Hans
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    >
    >
    >


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