Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer - GEOS

This is a discussion on Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer - GEOS ; Pat wrote: > > "Ray Kopczynski" wrote in message > news:20030810001647.23687.00001814@mb-m27.aol.com... > > it. > >> > > > > BINGO! The magic bullet! If/when that that lightning bolt strikes me > ("meets > > the needs of users..."), then ...

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  1. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    Pat wrote:
    >
    > "Ray Kopczynski" wrote in message
    > news:20030810001647.23687.00001814@mb-m27.aol.com...
    > > << The application meets the needs of users, who increasingly demand

    it.
    > >>

    > >
    > > BINGO! The magic bullet! If/when that that lightning bolt strikes

    me
    > ("meets
    > > the needs of users..."), then I too will buy into that process.

    >
    > Do you use Windows apps, that a native mode GEOS app can not accomplish

    the
    > same goal, or where the GEOS app does not exist?
    >
    > > << I would venture to say that most GEOS users already have high end

    PCs
    > that run Windows XP. >>
    > >
    > > I disagree, but we'll never know...

    >
    > Old computers are more wasteful of electricity use than new ones.


    It all depends on how you use them. This is so often stated that it have
    become a truth, but it all comes down to how they are used. An old computer
    that is powered on when used and shutdown when not in use is less power consuming
    than a new computer that is always on with all the power management features
    on. In fact, a poorly configured power management is at high risk more power
    consuming than an old computer that is always on. And newer computer uses
    components that produces more heat that needs to be cooled compared to old
    ones. Heat that needs t be cooled by electrical fans. And the hotter the
    computer gets inside the more the power consumption rises. One might save
    some watts in better components, but I the difference in small compared to
    what have happenend in the monitor area. The sigificant difference is CRT
    versus LCD, where LCD is less power consuming than CRT:s. Plasma screens
    are also less power-consuming than CRT:s, but that is "marginally" compared
    to LCD:s.

    > Also, its
    > plain impossible to find ISA bus parts any more. Yes, you can definitely
    > find anything you want if you like hard enough. I guess that goes for

    buying
    > buggy whips. But its just not convenient to maintain an old piece of iron.


    Yep, I agree with you, but who says that one needs to hunt ISA cards? If
    they still exist, there is a slot to put them into, and they are doing fine,
    there is no need to change. There is an fine old motto: If it's not broken,
    don't fix it!

    > Hell, these things are not living breathing pets or human beings, they

    are
    > old computers that wear out and eventually become door stops. Lok, I am
    > talking about the vast majority. Everytime I make a statement you tend

    to
    > personalize it. In your case, the general rule gets broken.


    People tends to get nostalgic in ISA, as it was a technology that was created
    by engineers, hard to understand for newbies, but when understood, once and
    for all, it was working very well. PCI, with plug and play, on the other
    hand, is a standard that have matured only during the recent year and a half.
    Nowadays it works like a solid rock, but I still have had examples of conflicts
    only a year and a half ago that could make anybody puke. I think that these
    things stick in peoples minds......

    The most memorable events in ISA/PCI hardware conflicts was when a collegue
    of mine managed to get all PCI hardware to hook up on IRQ11, including the
    USB. You can imagine the SCSI adapter, graphics adapter, network adapter
    and the USB hooked up to IRQ11. Now, that computer worked strangely, or did
    not work at all, and I still remember how I laughed. We fixed the problem
    by removing the three cards, and putting them back one by one. I have never
    seen anything like that since. This was some years ago, in the early days
    of USB.

    BR,
    Hans

  2. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    Hello Hans,

    A generalizations, you make. Unlike Apple Macs, where you have a single
    manufacturer, the PC is a ubiquitous and amorphous beast. Many different
    implementations exist. So why not just compare apples with apples and say
    the old and new PCs are on and off at the same time.


    "Hans Lindgren" wrote in message
    news:NewsReader.1.0.200381221923508752@news1.telia .com...
    > Pat wrote:
    > >
    > > "Ray Kopczynski" wrote in message
    > > news:20030810001647.23687.00001814@mb-m27.aol.com...
    > > > << The application meets the needs of users, who increasingly demand

    > it.
    > > >>
    > > >
    > > > BINGO! The magic bullet! If/when that that lightning bolt strikes

    > me
    > > ("meets
    > > > the needs of users..."), then I too will buy into that process.

    > >
    > > Do you use Windows apps, that a native mode GEOS app can not accomplish

    > the
    > > same goal, or where the GEOS app does not exist?
    > >
    > > > << I would venture to say that most GEOS users already have high end

    > PCs
    > > that run Windows XP. >>
    > > >
    > > > I disagree, but we'll never know...

    > >
    > > Old computers are more wasteful of electricity use than new ones.

    >
    > It all depends on how you use them. This is so often stated that it have
    > become a truth, but it all comes down to how they are used. An old

    computer
    > that is powered on when used and shutdown when not in use is less power

    consuming
    > than a new computer that is always on with all the power management

    features
    > on. In fact, a poorly configured power management is at high risk more

    power
    > consuming than an old computer that is always on. And newer computer uses
    > components that produces more heat that needs to be cooled compared to old
    > ones. Heat that needs t be cooled by electrical fans. And the hotter the
    > computer gets inside the more the power consumption rises. One might save
    > some watts in better components, but I the difference in small compared to
    > what have happenend in the monitor area. The sigificant difference is CRT
    > versus LCD, where LCD is less power consuming than CRT:s. Plasma screens
    > are also less power-consuming than CRT:s, but that is "marginally"

    compared
    > to LCD:s.
    >
    > > Also, its
    > > plain impossible to find ISA bus parts any more. Yes, you can definitely
    > > find anything you want if you like hard enough. I guess that goes for

    > buying
    > > buggy whips. But its just not convenient to maintain an old piece of

    iron.
    >
    > Yep, I agree with you, but who says that one needs to hunt ISA cards? If
    > they still exist, there is a slot to put them into, and they are doing

    fine,
    > there is no need to change. There is an fine old motto: If it's not

    broken,
    > don't fix it!
    >
    > > Hell, these things are not living breathing pets or human beings, they

    > are
    > > old computers that wear out and eventually become door stops. Lok, I am
    > > talking about the vast majority. Everytime I make a statement you tend

    > to
    > > personalize it. In your case, the general rule gets broken.

    >
    > People tends to get nostalgic in ISA, as it was a technology that was

    created
    > by engineers, hard to understand for newbies, but when understood, once

    and
    > for all, it was working very well. PCI, with plug and play, on the other
    > hand, is a standard that have matured only during the recent year and a

    half.
    > Nowadays it works like a solid rock, but I still have had examples of

    conflicts
    > only a year and a half ago that could make anybody puke. I think that

    these
    > things stick in peoples minds......
    >
    > The most memorable events in ISA/PCI hardware conflicts was when a

    collegue
    > of mine managed to get all PCI hardware to hook up on IRQ11, including the
    > USB. You can imagine the SCSI adapter, graphics adapter, network adapter
    > and the USB hooked up to IRQ11. Now, that computer worked strangely, or

    did
    > not work at all, and I still remember how I laughed. We fixed the problem
    > by removing the three cards, and putting them back one by one. I have

    never
    > seen anything like that since. This was some years ago, in the early days
    > of USB.
    >
    > BR,
    > Hans




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