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  1. known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    if u plan on ordering Ensemble from Sun, be aware there is a known bug in
    the installer. it seems if u run install from the cd it crashes. u have to
    copy the cd to the hd and run install from there. another fine quality
    product in the world of geos. can u imagine the crap on this ng if windows
    setup had the same bug?



  2. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    It would have been nice if you posted about the well known bug, as you and
    BBX know about it. May have saved someone a hassle as the fix is quite
    simple even for a GEOS user.

    Why do u ASSume I'm "lurking" on Yahoo's egroup? I subscribed just like u
    did. Oh I know, it's the old; "is a gun an offense or defensive weapon"
    thing. Depends on which end of the barrel one is looking down, eh? Or like
    Bin Laden being a "Freedom Fighter" when we needed him VS those "commies",
    and now being a terrorist.

    Anyways, why not just fix your distributor's CD install? Oh wait I know, NO
    MONEY!

    "John Howard" wrote in message
    news:vj3e9vdi0qpraa@corp.supernews.com...
    > Bob must have scripted Arnold's last line in his press conference this
    > evening about running for Gov of California... "I'll be back!"
    >
    > Anyway, Bob must be lurking on the Geos-Talk mailing list ... A few
    > days ago I posted this in reply to a post about installing problems:
    >
    > "You're not alone with your install problems using the CD from Sun2k.
    > We've (Breadbox) have had several Sun2k customers inform us of the
    > problem. I even had them send me a CD so I dould try it. On one of my
    > PCs it wouldn't install. The solution was to copy the contents of the
    > Cd to the HD and run the install from there."
    >
    > Notice that I said "on one of my PCs". On the other two it installed
    > very nicely! Why the difference? I don't know - maybe the CD burning
    > software?
    >
    > So, Bob, thanks for passing along the post, but if you want to continue
    > to provide this service you might as well save yourself some typing and
    > just do a simple copy/paste.
    >
    > John ;-)
    >
    > Bob wrote:
    > > if u plan on ordering Ensemble from Sun, be aware there is a known bug

    in
    > > the installer. it seems if u run install from the cd it crashes. u have

    to
    > > copy the cd to the hd and run install from there. another fine quality
    > > product in the world of geos. can u imagine the crap on this ng if

    windows
    > > setup had the same bug?
    > >
    > >

    >




  3. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    Well Ray I just thought it would be helpful to anyone that actually bought,
    (LOL!), Sun's Ensemble and couldn't install it from the CD, and couldn't.
    You know the market for GEOS isn't very PC literate so they may even have a
    problem doing a simple copy from the CD to the HD, but at least I pointed
    out the well known bug, and the resolution. More then you did. More then
    John did, even though he knew it existed.

    "Ray Kopczynski" wrote in message
    news:20030807013610.20962.00000098@mb-m24.aol.com...
    > << if u plan on ordering Ensemble from Sun, be aware there is a known bug

    in
    > the installer. >>
    >
    > You're losing it dude! Obviously, I should be mad at Sun if they burned

    the
    > CD's and are using *their* installer... Has zero, zip, nada, nothing to do

    with
    > the program they are trying to install.
    >
    > << can u imagine the crap on this ng if windows setup had the same bug?
    >>

    >
    > LOL! Thanks for reminding us of their "crap!" (And I will point blank

    state
    > that you are flat out lying if you say you've never had a PC crash during

    a
    > Windows installation using a CD...)
    >
    > But -- as long as you continually wish to bring that "other" OS into this

    ng:
    >
    > "Microsoft's abuse of its monopoly power is 'ongoing,'..."
    >
    > http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5060463.html
    >
    > Ray




  4. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    Bob wrote:

    >if u plan on ordering Ensemble from Sun, be aware there is a known bug in
    >the installer. it seems if u run install from the cd it crashes. u have to
    >copy the cd to the hd and run install from there. another fine quality
    >product in the world of geos. can u imagine the crap on this ng if windows
    >setup had the same bug?
    >

    Personally, I can live with messages that are direct to the point and
    don't include snide or sarcastic side-comments that don't really
    contribute anything to this newsgroup except instigate flame wars. It
    kinda turns off newbies.

    --
    Ravin' Ray
    your friendly neighborhood paleontologist
    http://www.geocities.com/originalravinray
    "I'm a geologist who uses Geos and has a Geocities website!"


  5. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    In article <3F33AF94.5040502@pacific.net.ph>,
    Raymond Ancog wrote:
    >
    >Personally, I can live with messages that are direct to the point and
    >don't include snide or sarcastic side-comments that don't really
    >contribute anything to this newsgroup except instigate flame wars. It
    >kinda turns off newbies.


    That's Bob's aim, as near as I can tell -- to instigate flame wars
    and turn off the newbies, as well as the long-timers and anyone else
    he can reach. Bob hates GEOS and has apparently made it his life's
    work to trash it whenever and wherever he can. Kinda sad, really.
    --
    Doug Taylor | Nothing real can be threatened.
    The Ohio State University | Nothing unreal exists.
    doug-taylor+@osu.edu | - A Course in Miracles

  6. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer


    "Raymond Ancog" wrote in message
    news:3F33AF94.5040502@pacific.net.ph...

    > Personally, I can live with messages that are direct to the point and
    > don't include snide or sarcastic side-comments that don't really
    > contribute anything to this newsgroup except instigate flame wars. It
    > kinda turns off newbies.



    I disagree. Newbies are turned OFF by by not getting their questions
    answered or problems solved. They are equally turned OFF by the hijinks of
    representatives of software companies they may, of may not, deal with.

    What turns a newbie ON is to see diverse discussion in newsgroups, where
    those who have gripes are not lined up and shot in the head because they
    refuse to march to Nazi goose step.



  7. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    HINT: There are only a couple newbies coming into the GEOS fold, compared to
    existing GEOS users who have left forever. If I were a GeoNut, I would start
    a campaign to keep GEOS users from leaving, as difficult a task as that may
    seem. You'll never get out of the hole you're in through newbies. Especially
    with newer PCs and upgrading older ones.

    Micro Center - 256MB of memory for $19.95.
    Micro Center - 160GB 7200RPM (Special Edition - 8MB) drive for $99.

    http://www.microcenter.com/specials/index.html

    I bought one of those drives and filled 90% of it with video files for doing
    editing. Bless Windows XP for staying up and running solid for days while I
    repeatedly edited, authored and burned DVD projects, while simultaneously
    surfing the Internet high speed and downloading files. Even a newbie can use
    entry level software to do close to what I am doing. But a newbie would be
    stopped in their tracks if a DOS error suddenly stared the them in the face.

    Bottom Line: GEOS is the cat's meow on an old GeoBook or a PC with very
    limited resources. Seasoned GEOS users have already acquired serious
    hardware and have graduated beyond their modest systems after realizing that
    Windows XP is so good. Newbies are in two camps. Some have legitimate GEOS
    needs, while others are really barking up the wrong tree, so to speak.



    "Douglas A. Taylor" wrote in message
    news:bh0bks$2q4$1@dougspc.uts.ohio-state.edu...
    > In article <3F33AF94.5040502@pacific.net.ph>,
    > Raymond Ancog wrote:
    > >
    > >Personally, I can live with messages that are direct to the point and
    > >don't include snide or sarcastic side-comments that don't really
    > >contribute anything to this newsgroup except instigate flame wars. It
    > >kinda turns off newbies.

    >
    > That's Bob's aim, as near as I can tell -- to instigate flame wars
    > and turn off the newbies, as well as the long-timers and anyone else
    > he can reach. Bob hates GEOS and has apparently made it his life's
    > work to trash it whenever and wherever he can. Kinda sad, really.
    > --
    > Doug Taylor | Nothing real can be threatened.
    > The Ohio State University | Nothing unreal exists.
    > doug-taylor+@osu.edu | - A Course in Miracles




  8. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    u don't haveta worry there ray. notice any newbies on COGM? LOL!!!!

    "Raymond Ancog" wrote in message
    news:3F33AF94.5040502@pacific.net.ph...
    > Bob wrote:
    >
    > >if u plan on ordering Ensemble from Sun, be aware there is a known bug in
    > >the installer. it seems if u run install from the cd it crashes. u have

    to
    > >copy the cd to the hd and run install from there. another fine quality
    > >product in the world of geos. can u imagine the crap on this ng if

    windows
    > >setup had the same bug?
    > >

    > Personally, I can live with messages that are direct to the point and
    > don't include snide or sarcastic side-comments that don't really
    > contribute anything to this newsgroup except instigate flame wars. It
    > kinda turns off newbies.
    >
    > --
    > Ravin' Ray
    > your friendly neighborhood paleontologist
    > http://www.geocities.com/originalravinray
    > "I'm a geologist who uses Geos and has a Geocities website!"
    >




  9. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    "Douglas A. Taylor" wrote in message
    news:bh0bks$2q4$1@dougspc.uts.ohio-state.edu...
    >
    > That's Bob's aim, as near as I can tell -- to instigate flame wars
    > and turn off the newbies, as well as the long-timers and anyone else
    > he can reach. Bob hates GEOS and has apparently made it his life's
    > work to trash it whenever and wherever he can. Kinda sad, really.
    > --
    > Doug Taylor


    And you got your clinical training and degree from where?



  10. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    << I repeatedly edited, authored and burned DVD projects, while simultaneously
    surfing the Internet high speed and downloading files. >>

    ROFLMAO! Now *there* is something that the vast majority of PC users really
    care a lot about!

    And you have the unmitigated gall to say that doing *that* is inherently better
    than what other folks do via Geos? Amazing... (Just sadly shaking my head
    here...)

    Same very tired argument you state. Hey! If that is your thing -- that is cool
    for *you*. (Go play with your toys...) But it's patently irrelevant for many
    folks who have neither the need or desire to spend one extra dime on hardware
    that exceeds their needs.

    << Bottom Line: GEOS is the cat's meow on an old GeoBook or a PC with very
    limited resources. >>

    Thank you, but the term "very limited resources" gives the wrong impression as
    it can be defined a myriad of ways.

    << Seasoned GEOS users have already acquired serious hardware and have
    graduated beyond their modest systems after realizing that Windows XP is so
    good. >>

    Excuse me?!! My AMD K6/2-500 w/300Mb RAM is "ancient" by your standards, but is
    serious overkill for the type of computing I do on a regular basis. I have
    beta-tested XP, and have installed, used, and *removed* the Pro version as it
    gives me *nothing* inherently better than what I currently have. If it works
    for you for your *needs* -- cool beans.

    << Newbies are in two camps. Some have legitimate GEOS needs, while others are
    really barking up the wrong tree, so to speak. >>

    Nope -- a Newbie is a newbie is a newbie -- we all have to start somewhere. If
    you have/wish to start with all the bells and whistles -- and can afford to do
    so -- and have someone willing to hold your hand during the learning curve --
    by all means, start higher. But not all of us have those needs or desires for
    sure. That MY "same tired argument" I state. :-)

    Ray

  11. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    "Bob" wrote in news:OwVYa.66172$cF.21950@rwcrnsc53:


    > And you got your clinical training and degree from where?


    Same place you got yours.. ;-)

    -Garrett

  12. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer


    "Ray Kopczynski" wrote in message
    news:20030808204937.02452.00001176@mb-m21.aol.com...

    > ROFLMAO! Now *there* is something that the vast majority of PC users

    really
    > care a lot about!


    Ray, you can't measure the power of Windows or Linux applications with a
    GEOS ruler. Its multimedia in general that is driving what people want
    today. Its not only the Internet, its the whole multimedia experience. Walk
    into an Apple store and come away with the same myopic attitude. Go observe
    what people want at Micro Center, Circuit City, CompUSA, et al.

    HINT: Its not Office apps that drive computer sales any longer. Its over for
    GEOS, Raybo. Stop dreaming about the past.

    > And you have the unmitigated gall to say that doing *that* is inherently

    better
    > than what other folks do via Geos? Amazing... (Just sadly shaking my head
    > here...)


    Yes, so much better that I may soon declare GEOS as being a DOS typewriter
    emulator, with a pointing device interface.

    > Same very tired argument you state. Hey! If that is your thing -- that is

    cool
    > for *you*. (Go play with your toys...) But it's patently irrelevant for

    many
    > folks who have neither the need or desire to spend one extra dime on

    hardware
    > that exceeds their needs.


    That is a dumb statement. Its the usual GEOS mantra of paying to the penny
    for what you use. Even GEOS does not meet that insane criteria. ROTFL!

    > Excuse me?!! My AMD K6/2-500 w/300Mb RAM is "ancient" by your standards,

    but is
    > serious overkill for the type of computing I do on a regular basis. I have
    > beta-tested XP, and have installed, used, and *removed* the Pro version as

    it
    > gives me *nothing* inherently better than what I currently have. If it

    works
    > for you for your *needs* -- cool beans.


    Why use Windows at all? Why not Linux, then you can be 100% Microsoft free.
    Yup, live with only GEOS. Dare you to. Can't be done. Impossible, everyone
    uses Windows, even phoney, baloney GEOS bigots. ;-)

    > Nope -- a Newbie is a newbie is a newbie -- we all have to start

    somewhere.

    How many kids, coming out of public schools in Ammerica who know nothing
    about a PC, or are unable to use Windows? Geeeez, I know there are some but
    its so few that the number is statistically insignificant. Now take these
    same Windows savvy kids and unleash GEOS on them. Most of them will laugh
    their butts off. Just run some of that 10 year old GEOS jive by them,
    please.




  13. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    COG was orphaned when ND killed it and started COGM. How long will it be
    before this ng is left abandoned, adrift at sea?


    "Bob" wrote in message
    news:JvVYa.67218$Vt6.22854@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.n et...
    > u don't haveta worry there ray. notice any newbies on COGM? LOL!!!!
    >
    > "Raymond Ancog" wrote in message
    > news:3F33AF94.5040502@pacific.net.ph...
    > > Bob wrote:
    > >
    > > >if u plan on ordering Ensemble from Sun, be aware there is a known bug

    in
    > > >the installer. it seems if u run install from the cd it crashes. u have

    > to
    > > >copy the cd to the hd and run install from there. another fine quality
    > > >product in the world of geos. can u imagine the crap on this ng if

    > windows
    > > >setup had the same bug?
    > > >

    > > Personally, I can live with messages that are direct to the point and
    > > don't include snide or sarcastic side-comments that don't really
    > > contribute anything to this newsgroup except instigate flame wars. It
    > > kinda turns off newbies.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Ravin' Ray
    > > your friendly neighborhood paleontologist
    > > http://www.geocities.com/originalravinray
    > > "I'm a geologist who uses Geos and has a Geocities website!"
    > >

    >
    >




  14. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    << Ray, you can't measure the power of Windows or Linux applications with a
    GEOS ruler. >>

    In no way am I trying to. I'm simply saying that Geos does suffice for some
    people -- and as long as it does, that is their choice. Very cool for them.
    What the rest of the world clamors for because of marketing issues -- is
    irrelevant. The "whole multimedia experience" isn't for eveyone by any stretch
    of the imagination.

    << Its not Office apps that drive computer sales any longer. >>

    Ahhh... If you are talking about individual PC sales to individuals -- you are
    probably correct -- but only because it is impossible to walk into any of the
    stores you mentioned and buy a PC withOUT that stuff. (And just where do you
    believe that other OS is getting the *majority* of their revenue from?? I
    believe it IS from their "Office" sales as opposed to any other single item
    they have in their inventory.)

    << Its over for GEOS, Raybo. Stop dreaming about the past. >>

    You have yet to articulate a material reason to require folks to move into
    higher-end equipment & software if they do not have the desire nor the need to
    do so.

    I also drive a 30-year old 1973 SAAB Sonett III. Quite functional, good
    looking, and does what I need it to do. (Get me from point A to B.) So, tell
    me again why I need a new vehicle with more HP, GPS, CD-changer,
    air-conditioning, etc...

    << Why use Windows at all? Why not Linux, then you can be 100% Microsoft free.
    >>


    ?? I do not recall *ever*(!) saying that I wished to be MS-free. Possibly
    others have. I *have* repeated many-a-time here that I have/use a variety of
    software platforms that are *required* to be used with/for the State of Oregon
    Employment Department office I work in. I will restate again: If someone uses
    Geos as their OS of choice and it meets their needs, there is *nothing* you or
    anyone else will ever be able to say that that is wrong. It's a classic "Mine
    is better than yours is..." argument. And -- for the things you like to do --
    that may very well be true. So??

    << Now take these same Windows savvy kids... >>

    Umm-- You didn't read what I said earlier. I'll re-quote myself: "If you
    have/wish to start with all the bells and whistles -- and can afford to do so
    -- and have someone willing to hold your hand during the learning curve -- by
    all means, start higher."

    Stating that the numbers are "statistically insignificant" who know nothing
    about computers -- is a judgement call on your part. I talk/deal with those
    folks on a *daily* basis here at the local State of Oregon Employment
    Department. I'll categorically state that at least 50% of the customers do not
    have a *clue* as to how to use a PC of any kind and are in big trouble when we
    tell them that the majority of employers won't even allow them the opportunity
    to fill out an application until they submit a resume -- done on a PC.

    To deny them an opportunity to have/acquire a PC of *any* flavor Mac, Linux,
    MS, BeOS, Geos - regardless - sure smacks of elitism in my book for sure! They
    would be happy to have any PC of any kind...

    Ray
    Ray

  15. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer



    Pat wrote:
    > COG was orphaned when ND killed it and started COGM. How long will it be
    > before this ng is left abandoned, adrift at sea?
    >


    Hmmmm.... Pat, you're generally reasonably correct when you talk about
    Geos history, but I think you missed the mark on the above statement. I
    don't recall ND having anything to do with any newsgroup realignment.
    I'm not even sure that ND existed when the realignment happened, but I
    won't bet the ranch on that point.

    I do, however, recall that at some point after Geoworks ended their
    relationship with AOL and the Geos Forum went away (sometime in '97?)
    our main forum became COG. There was a fair amout of programming
    chatter and it was the consensus of subscribers that we split off the
    programming stuff to a new group - COGP. At some point the discussion
    went toward making COG go away and aligning the COG groups into COGM and
    COGP to more closely resemble other OS newsgroups alignments. If memory
    serves, Lee Grant (a fellow SDK GeoRep) aka CamiLee was the guy who
    volunteered to do all the legwork to make this happen (submit the
    paperwork, coordinate the required voting, etc). After all the proper
    discussion and voting periods COG was abandoned and COGM & COGP were born.

    BTW, I was just IMing Lee last week. He's still around and said that he
    even lurks here now and again. So Lee, if you're out there maybe you
    can let us know if my memory on this stuff is close to the way it
    happened. I know that there are others here who where around back then
    and may be able to recall how this all happened.

    John ;-)


  16. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    And when did I post one? Never! So you reply is totally meaningless as it
    references nothing. D'OH!

    "Garrett" wrote in message
    news:Xns93D1BECC9C652logicalboxhotmailcom@206.127. 4.25...
    > "Bob" wrote in news:OwVYa.66172$cF.21950@rwcrnsc53:
    >
    >
    > > And you got your clinical training and degree from where?

    >
    > Same place you got yours.. ;-)
    >
    > -Garrett




  17. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:21:05 UTC, John Howard
    wrote:
    > BTW, I was just IMing Lee last week. He's still around and said that he
    > even lurks here now and again. So Lee, if you're out there maybe you
    > can let us know if my memory on this stuff is close to the way it
    > happened. I know that there are others here who where around back then
    > and may be able to recall how this all happened.


    Your recall of the events reads correct to me.
    --
    Regards,
    Doug

    **** remove leading g for email replies. ****

  18. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    << There was a fair amout of programming chatter and it was the consensus of
    subscribers that we split off the programming stuff to a new group - COGP. At
    some point the discussion went toward making COG go away and aligning the COG
    groups into COGM and COGP to more closely resemble other OS newsgroups
    alignments. >>

    Here's a link to one of those early RFD's...

    http://open-systems.ufl.edu/mirrors/...ews.announce.n
    ewgroups/comp/comp.os.geos-reorg

    Ray

    >Subject: Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer
    >From: John Howard johnh@breadbox.com
    >Date: 8/9/03 10:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    >Message-id:
    >
    >
    >Pat wrote:
    >> COG was orphaned when ND killed it and started COGM. How long will it be
    >> before this ng is left abandoned, adrift at sea?
    >>

    >
    >Hmmmm.... Pat, you're generally reasonably correct when you talk about
    >Geos history, but I think you missed the mark on the above statement. I
    >don't recall ND having anything to do with any newsgroup realignment.
    >I'm not even sure that ND existed when the realignment happened, but I
    >won't bet the ranch on that point.
    >
    >I do, however, recall that at some point after Geoworks ended their
    >relationship with AOL and the Geos Forum went away (sometime in '97?)
    >our main forum became COG. There was a fair amout of programming
    >chatter and it was the consensus of subscribers that we split off the
    >programming stuff to a new group - COGP. At some point the discussion
    >went toward making COG go away and aligning the COG groups into COGM and
    >COGP to more closely resemble other OS newsgroups alignments. If memory
    >serves, Lee Grant (a fellow SDK GeoRep) aka CamiLee was the guy who
    >volunteered to do all the legwork to make this happen (submit the
    >paperwork, coordinate the required voting, etc). After all the proper
    >discussion and voting periods COG was abandoned and COGM & COGP were born.
    >
    >BTW, I was just IMing Lee last week. He's still around and said that he
    >even lurks here now and again. So Lee, if you're out there maybe you
    >can let us know if my memory on this stuff is close to the way it
    >happened. I know that there are others here who where around back then
    >and may be able to recall how this all happened.
    >
    >John ;-)




  19. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    Thanks for that link Ray :-) The last third of it (or so) chronicles
    the 1997 vote that I remembered (and fairly accurately too!). Going
    thru that list of voters was a trip down memory lane!

    I have no recollection of Dan "Shag" Birchall's early 1994 RFD. But
    then the AOL Forum was going strong and I was a relative PC newbie and
    had probably not yet discovered newsgroups. My Commodore 64 running
    Geos was still going strong!

    John ;-)

    Ray Kopczynski wrote:
    > << There was a fair amout of programming chatter and it was the consensus of
    > subscribers that we split off the programming stuff to a new group - COGP. At
    > some point the discussion went toward making COG go away and aligning the COG
    > groups into COGM and COGP to more closely resemble other OS newsgroups
    > alignments. >>
    >
    > Here's a link to one of those early RFD's...
    >
    > http://open-systems.ufl.edu/mirrors/...ews.announce.n
    > ewgroups/comp/comp.os.geos-reorg
    >
    > Ray
    >
    >
    >>Subject: Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer
    >>From: John Howard johnh@breadbox.com
    >>Date: 8/9/03 10:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    >>Message-id:
    >>
    >>
    >>Pat wrote:
    >>
    >>>COG was orphaned when ND killed it and started COGM. How long will it be
    >>>before this ng is left abandoned, adrift at sea?
    >>>

    >>
    >>Hmmmm.... Pat, you're generally reasonably correct when you talk about
    >>Geos history, but I think you missed the mark on the above statement. I
    >>don't recall ND having anything to do with any newsgroup realignment.
    >>I'm not even sure that ND existed when the realignment happened, but I
    >>won't bet the ranch on that point.
    >>
    >>I do, however, recall that at some point after Geoworks ended their
    >>relationship with AOL and the Geos Forum went away (sometime in '97?)
    >>our main forum became COG. There was a fair amout of programming
    >>chatter and it was the consensus of subscribers that we split off the
    >>programming stuff to a new group - COGP. At some point the discussion
    >>went toward making COG go away and aligning the COG groups into COGM and
    >>COGP to more closely resemble other OS newsgroups alignments. If memory
    >>serves, Lee Grant (a fellow SDK GeoRep) aka CamiLee was the guy who
    >>volunteered to do all the legwork to make this happen (submit the
    >>paperwork, coordinate the required voting, etc). After all the proper
    >>discussion and voting periods COG was abandoned and COGM & COGP were born.
    >>
    >>BTW, I was just IMing Lee last week. He's still around and said that he
    >>even lurks here now and again. So Lee, if you're out there maybe you
    >>can let us know if my memory on this stuff is close to the way it
    >>happened. I know that there are others here who where around back then
    >>and may be able to recall how this all happened.
    >>
    >>John ;-)

    >
    >
    >



  20. Re: known bug in sun's ensemble installer

    John,

    This has been discussed in the past and a Google search will unearth some
    spirited back and forth on the subject, but I have my personal opinion of
    what happened and its been expressed in COGM before.



    "John Howard" wrote in message
    news:vjabbtga51247b@corp.supernews.com...
    >
    >
    > Pat wrote:
    > > COG was orphaned when ND killed it and started COGM. How long will it be
    > > before this ng is left abandoned, adrift at sea?
    > >

    >
    > Hmmmm.... Pat, you're generally reasonably correct when you talk about
    > Geos history, but I think you missed the mark on the above statement. I
    > don't recall ND having anything to do with any newsgroup realignment.
    > I'm not even sure that ND existed when the realignment happened, but I
    > won't bet the ranch on that point.
    >
    > I do, however, recall that at some point after Geoworks ended their
    > relationship with AOL and the Geos Forum went away (sometime in '97?)
    > our main forum became COG. There was a fair amout of programming
    > chatter and it was the consensus of subscribers that we split off the
    > programming stuff to a new group - COGP. At some point the discussion
    > went toward making COG go away and aligning the COG groups into COGM and
    > COGP to more closely resemble other OS newsgroups alignments. If memory
    > serves, Lee Grant (a fellow SDK GeoRep) aka CamiLee was the guy who
    > volunteered to do all the legwork to make this happen (submit the
    > paperwork, coordinate the required voting, etc). After all the proper
    > discussion and voting periods COG was abandoned and COGM & COGP were born.
    >
    > BTW, I was just IMing Lee last week. He's still around and said that he
    > even lurks here now and again. So Lee, if you're out there maybe you
    > can let us know if my memory on this stuff is close to the way it
    > happened. I know that there are others here who where around back then
    > and may be able to recall how this all happened.
    >
    > John ;-)
    >




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