Hey. Need to keep this group alive.

For anybody who cares, I have discovered that Geos, or, more specifically,
NewDeal, in my case, runs beautifully under dosbox. That has been a big
breakthrough for me, since I have clients that I set up years ago with
Geos, particularly for the word processor, and the database. These two
elegant programs are virtually irreplaceable by anything else I'm aware of.

So now, I have them running a nice little 800x600 window with Geos, all
within the XP that they have no choice but to run on modern systems.

Eric


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Eric Kiesling Thompson
eTc Computer Consultants
http://www.etc-consult.com
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Hi Eric,

How did you go about setting it up? I have never been able to get
Ensemble to run consistently under XP, even after following all of the
instructions listed for XP. I do have a faster computer, an AMD 3000,
if that makes any difference.

Roger

Eric Thompson wrote:
> Hey. Need to keep this group alive.
>
> For anybody who cares, I have discovered that Geos, or, more specifically,
> NewDeal, in my case, runs beautifully under dosbox. That has been a big
> breakthrough for me, since I have clients that I set up years ago with
> Geos, particularly for the word processor, and the database. These two
> elegant programs are virtually irreplaceable by anything else I'm aware of.
>
> So now, I have them running a nice little 800x600 window with Geos, all
> within the XP that they have no choice but to run on modern systems.
>
> Eric
>
>
> ------------------
> Eric Kiesling Thompson
> eTc Computer Consultants
> http://www.etc-consult.com
> ------------------
>

Roger,

Mostly, I followed those same instructions, but had minimal luck until I
used dosbox. As dosbox is useful for a number of things, most importantly
so you can get those old Sierra games going again, go to

http://sourceforge.net/projects/dosbox

Very small, light install. I love it.

For geos.ini, I added the following:

[system]

primaryFSD = ntfat.geo
fs = {
ntfat.geo
cdrom.geo
}


[screen0]
device = VGA: 640x480 16-color
driver = Standard VGA Driver


You may not need to make the screen change, but I had trouble with one of
the machines when the video was set at a high color/resolution. Just got a
black screen of death until I set it for standard vga. It's then easy and
safe to use Geos's own video pref panel to raise the resolution to whatever
it can handle. However, I've been finding that screen redrawing with Geos
under dosbox is REALLY slow if you have a high resolution. I've taken a
happy medium of 800x600, 256 color, since I'm only using it for word
processing and DB anyway. In addition, if you use something like 800x600
on a modern PC that has a 1280xblah size monitor, you'll get the nice
effect of having Geos running in a sub-sized window that doesn't take up
your whole desktop.

As for the dosbox config file, I pretty much used the defaults. If you're
only using dosbox for running Geos, however, you can add the following in
the autoxec portion at the bottom (I have NewDeal, hence \ndo -- you might
have a different subdirectory):

[autoexec]
# Lines in this section will be run at startup.

mount c c:\
c:
cd c:\ndo
ndo



If you do this, then you can create a shortcut on the desktop that runs
\ndo\ndo.bat, and assign the geos.ico to it. That's what I did for my
clients, since they have no interest in using dosbox for Quest for Glory,
or the like! :-)

So, I've had success with four machines thus far. Four out of four, so I
feel pretty confident it should work for others.

Now if I can EVER get ethernet networking to work under Geos! I've seen
reports of successes with that, but I've had none, ever.

Eric



Roger Bentson wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> How did you go about setting it up? I have never been able to get
> Ensemble to run consistently under XP, even after following all of the
> instructions listed for XP. I do have a faster computer, an AMD 3000,
> if that makes any difference.
>
> Roger
>

------------------
Eric Kiesling Thompson
eTc Computer Consultants
http://www.etc-consult.com
------------------

On 16 Apr., 18:12, Eric Thompson wrote:
>
> Now if I can EVER get ethernet networking to work under Geos! I've seen
> reports of successes with that, but I've had none, ever.
>

Here's a very detailed German description how to get it running under
qemu (qemu is another free emulator for windows/linux/... - much like
dosbox, but emulates more parts of a PC):
http://www.geodb.org/

So far there's no emulation for the network inside dosbox, hence the
ethernet won't work. For the ethernet you'll either need a plain DOS
or an emulator like qemu (VMWare, VirtualPC,... might work, too) since
windows will prevent Geos from accessing the network-card otherwise.

Jörg
P.S.: Under DosBox, qemu, ... you can even get Geos' SB16-sound-driver
running if you do have any soundcard that works under windows ;-)

On 16 Apr., 19:00, jpolzf...@yahoo.de wrote:
> On 16 Apr., 18:12, Eric Thompson wrote:
>
>
>
> > Now if I can EVER get ethernet networking to work under Geos! I've seen
> > reports of successes with that, but I've had none, ever.
>
> Here's a very detailed German description how to get it running under
> qemu (qemu is another free emulator for windows/linux/... - much like
> dosbox, but emulates more parts of a PC):http://www.geodb.org/
>
> So far there's no emulation for the network inside dosbox, hence the
> ethernet won't work. For the ethernet you'll either need a plain DOS
> or an emulator like qemu (VMWare, VirtualPC,... might work, too) since
> windows will prevent Geos from accessing the network-card otherwise.
>
> Jörg
> P.S.: Under DosBox, qemu, ... you can even get Geos' SB16-sound-driver
> running if you do have any soundcard that works under windows ;-)

That qemu I must test.

BTW - Does anybody know why my modem does not work under GEOS and
DOSBox?

Within Virtual PC 2007 it works, if the common access with the host is
ON.

Greetings from Freiburg
Manfred

On May 2, 1:52 pm, EPA wrote:
> On 16 Apr., 19:00, jpolzf...@yahoo.de wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 16 Apr., 18:12, Eric Thompson wrote:
>
> > > Now if I can EVER get ethernet networking to work under Geos! I've seen
> > > reports of successes with that, but I've had none, ever.
>
> > Here's a very detailed German description how to get it running under
> > qemu (qemu is another free emulator for windows/linux/... - much like
> >dosbox, but emulates more parts of a PC):http://www.geodb.org/
>
> > So far there's no emulation for the network insidedosbox, hence the
> > ethernet won't work. For the ethernet you'll either need a plain DOS
> > or an emulator like qemu (VMWare, VirtualPC,... might work, too) since
> > windows will prevent Geos from accessing the network-card otherwise.
>
> > Jörg
> > P.S.: UnderDosBox, qemu, ... you can even get Geos' SB16-sound-driver
> > running if you do have any soundcard that works under windows ;-)
>
> That qemu I must test.
>
> BTW - Does anybody know why my modem does not work under GEOS andDOSBox?
>
> Within Virtual PC 2007 it works, if the common access with the host is
> ON.
>
> Greetings from Freiburg
> Manfred

Did you setup the dosbox.conf for your modem?

> Did you setup the dosbox.conf for your modem?- Zitierten Text ausblenden -
>
> - Zitierten Text anzeigen -


Yes, look here:


serial1=directserial realport:com1

I think it is right, because with another program within GEOS/PC named
"GeoComm" I can manually dial ATDT 0191011 and I am able to start the
modem and it dials! But with the main program "Dial-Up" it will not
work!
(Dial-Up is an automatic dial program for the GEOS Web Explorer
"WEBMAGICK 3.0").

Ok, some lamps of the modem goes on and some flickering of send and
receive LED is viewable, but no switch to dial mode, when I only use
that main program "Dial-Up"!

Do you see the problem within DOSBox or within GEOS?

Greetimgs from Freiburg, Germany
Manfred

I downloaded DosBox, but when I try to run NewDeal I get a message "No valid
font files found", error KR-29.
Please help.

"Eric Thompson" wrote in message
news:TW8Uh.9847$YL5.6915@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
> Hey. Need to keep this group alive.
>
> For anybody who cares, I have discovered that Geos, or, more specifically,
> NewDeal, in my case, runs beautifully under dosbox. That has been a big
> breakthrough for me, since I have clients that I set up years ago with
> Geos, particularly for the word processor, and the database. These two
> elegant programs are virtually irreplaceable by anything else I'm aware
> of.
>
> So now, I have them running a nice little 800x600 window with Geos, all
> within the XP that they have no choice but to run on modern systems.
>
> Eric
>
>
> ------------------
> Eric Kiesling Thompson
> eTc Computer Consultants
> http://www.etc-consult.com
> ------------------
>

Hello...
I have read all the messages here about dosbox, and it sounds
interesting! I have been a user and "lover" of Geos/NewDeal since
1991! (I don't want to EVER have to give it up!) But here's my
question... I am now using NewDealOffice 98 under WinXP (for those
"other" things that I need to do), w/no problems except that I have to
use CPUkiller to start it... Wouldn't want to change unless there's an
improvement. Can someone tell me if using dosbox would make it
"better", ie: I wouldn't have to use the CPUkiller?, or whatever...
Thanks in advance for any help or words of encouragement.
I use NewDeal to do all the playbills for our local Community Theater,
and would hate to have to switch to something "newer" under Windoze!
(It certainly would not be "better"!)
Helene in lovely but very wet Tampa, FL!

On Apr 14, 2:19 pm, Eric Thompson wrote:
> Hey. Need to keep this group alive.
>
> For anybody who cares, I have discovered that Geos, or, more specifically,
> NewDeal, in my case, runs beautifully under dosbox. That has been a big
> breakthrough for me, since I have clients that I set up years ago with
> Geos, particularly for the word processor, and the database. These two
> elegant programs are virtually irreplaceable by anything else I'm aware of.
>
> So now, I have them running a nice little 800x600 window with Geos, all
> within the XP that they have no choice but to run on modern systems.
>
> Eric
>
> ------------------
> Eric Kiesling Thompson
> eTc Computer Consultantshttp://www.etc-consult.com
> ------------------

Hi,

Harvey schrieb:
> I downloaded DosBox, but when I try to run NewDeal I get a message "No valid
> font files found", error KR-29.
> Please help.

Just read the previous postings and follow the hints about the
necessary changes in the geos.ini, ... .

Jörg

Hi Jörg,
Thanks for the help. I made all the changes suggested in geos.ini file. The
error message is gone but when Newdeal opens, all I get is a gray screen
(not the typical "World" screen). It is very frustrating because I am so
close to having it work, but I am not there. Please help again.
Harvey




"Jörg" wrote in message
news:1187021757.513065.187490@g4g2000hsf.googlegro ups.com...
Hi,

Harvey schrieb:
> I downloaded DosBox, but when I try to run NewDeal I get a message "No
> valid
> font files found", error KR-29.
> Please help.

Just read the previous postings and follow the hints about the
necessary changes in the geos.ini, ... .

Jörg

Hi,

Harvey schrieb:
> all I get is a gray screen (not the typical "World" screen).

Guess 1:
Geos thinks that you're in the middle of changing the graphics-driver.

Solution:
Change the [screen0]-lines in the Geos.ini:
[screen0]
device = VGA: 640x480 16-color
driver = Standard VGA Driver

and remove the olddevice/olddriver-lines

And under [system] change
continueSetup = true
to
continueSetup = false


Guess 2:
Geos hangs because it has saved an invalid status.
Solution:
Delete all files under PRIVDATA\STATE and PRIVDATA\SPOOL

Jörg

Hi Helene,

If you have NDO working on XP using CPUKIller you will not gain anything
by using DOSBox. Stay with what you have.

John ;-)

heleneb@aol.com wrote:
> Hello...
> I have read all the messages here about dosbox, and it sounds
> interesting! I have been a user and "lover" of Geos/NewDeal since
> 1991! (I don't want to EVER have to give it up!) But here's my
> question... I am now using NewDealOffice 98 under WinXP (for those
> "other" things that I need to do), w/no problems except that I have to
> use CPUkiller to start it... Wouldn't want to change unless there's an
> improvement. Can someone tell me if using dosbox would make it
> "better", ie: I wouldn't have to use the CPUkiller?, or whatever...
> Thanks in advance for any help or words of encouragement.
> I use NewDeal to do all the playbills for our local Community Theater,
> and would hate to have to switch to something "newer" under Windoze!
> (It certainly would not be "better"!)
> Helene in lovely but very wet Tampa, FL!
>
> On Apr 14, 2:19 pm, Eric Thompson wrote:
>> Hey. Need to keep this group alive.
>>
>> For anybody who cares, I have discovered that Geos, or, more specifically,
>> NewDeal, in my case, runs beautifully under dosbox. That has been a big
>> breakthrough for me, since I have clients that I set up years ago with
>> Geos, particularly for the word processor, and the database. These two
>> elegant programs are virtually irreplaceable by anything else I'm aware of.
>>
>> So now, I have them running a nice little 800x600 window with Geos, all
>> within the XP that they have no choice but to run on modern systems.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> ------------------
>> Eric Kiesling Thompson
>> eTc Computer Consultantshttp://www.etc-consult.com
>> ------------------
>

Hello John,
Thanks for the info --- especially since I LIKE to stay w/what I know
works! Obviously, I'm still gung-ho with NDO, and only went from W98
to XP about 3 years ago. Who knows how long before I will be pushed
into Vista (ugh...).
Again - thanks to you and Breadbox for all the good work you do!
Helene in Tampa

On Sep 2, 12:17?pm, John Howard wrote:
> Hi Helene,
>
> If you have NDO working on XP using CPUKIller you will not gain anything
> by using DOSBox. Stay with what you have.
>
> John ;-)