will the 16 bit apps, that are currently being sold on the Breadbox
Web site still work on the 32 bit platform?

I have the Newdeal 2000 software.

I thought that the first thing that was going to be done was to get
rid of the 640K barrier, while the software was still 16 bit. I
thought that Jenns or someone had said (and this is a while ago so I
could be wrong) that this would solve alot of the errors. Has this
already been done in Breadbox Ensemble?

I think that the reason that they said it was because 32 bit would be
a vast undertaking, and extending the 640K barrier would be a faster
and easier way to fix most problems.


Also I was curious, is the OS on the global PC on ROM. I thought
someone said that. The reason I am asking is because I love the fact
that it is made for the Geos system (with its own Express button on
the bottom row and quick link buttons at the top) and did not know if
it was going to be possible to change the OS from what ever is on
there to BE or the New 32 bit BE. If it is not possible, would I just
put BE on the harddrive or one of the harddrives as I would on a
regular computer? If I were to do that would it have access to the
modem and ports as the Myturn software does? I am concerned that the
hardware is locked into the Myturn software (if it is on rom).


Also I did not see the NewBasic program on the stats for BE. Is there
not a version from breadbox?

On Feb 2, 11:23 am, "pazios" wrote:
> will the 16 bit apps, that are currently being sold on the Breadbox
> Web site still work on the 32 bit platform?

I don't know; I haven't even seen any progress reports on the "32-bit
platform". Not the most encouraging thing in the world... I don't see
value in a "32-bit" Geos that doesn't run software.

> I thought that the first thing that was going to be done was to get
> rid of the 640K barrier, while the software was still 16 bit. I
> thought that Jenns or someone had said (and this is a while ago so I
> could be wrong) that this would solve alot of the errors. Has this
> already been done in Breadbox Ensemble?

I believe it has, to the best of the ability of the programmers back
at the time. Geos has been able to use "UMBs" (upper memory blocks)
for quite some time. UMBs are chunks of memory between 640k and 1MB;
they were originally reserved for hardware use, but with some trickery
with memory management hardware software can be safely placed in them.

If your memory manager provides them, and they aren't being used by
other software, Geos will use them. They definitely help.

There could be more, on modern platforms or with a modern rewrite of
DOS (perhaps one that placed all or most of DOS in high memory) -- but
to the best of my knowledge that hasn't been done. It would be very
nice to have such a thing, particularly one that worked cooperatively
with modern operating environments like XP, Vista, and Linux. Such an
undertaking would be worth more than a nominally 32-bit rewrite (why
should I care how many bits you shovel? I want fonts, not bits.)

> I think that the reason that they said it was because 32 bit would be
> a vast undertaking, and extending the 640K barrier would be a faster
> and easier way to fix most problems.

Correct on both points.

-Billy

pazios wrote:
> will the 16 bit apps, that are currently being sold on the Breadbox
> Web site still work on the 32 bit platform?
>
> I have the Newdeal 2000 software.
>
> I thought that the first thing that was going to be done was to get
> rid of the 640K barrier, while the software was still 16 bit. I
> thought that Jenns or someone had said (and this is a while ago so I
> could be wrong) that this would solve alot of the errors. Has this
> already been done in Breadbox Ensemble?
>
> I think that the reason that they said it was because 32 bit would be
> a vast undertaking, and extending the 640K barrier would be a faster
> and easier way to fix most problems.
>
>
> Also I was curious, is the OS on the global PC on ROM. I thought
> someone said that. The reason I am asking is because I love the fact
> that it is made for the Geos system (with its own Express button on
> the bottom row and quick link buttons at the top) and did not know if
> it was going to be possible to change the OS from what ever is on
> there to BE or the New 32 bit BE. If it is not possible, would I just
> put BE on the harddrive or one of the harddrives as I would on a
> regular computer? If I were to do that would it have access to the
> modem and ports as the Myturn software does? I am concerned that the
> hardware is locked into the Myturn software (if it is on rom).
>
>
> Also I did not see the NewBasic program on the stats for BE. Is there
> not a version from breadbox?
>

LOL!!! 32-Bit platform! OMG!!!

On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:23:37 UTC, "pazios"
wrote:

> will the 16 bit apps, that are currently being sold on the Breadbox
> Web site still work on the 32 bit platform?
>
> I have the Newdeal 2000 software.
>
> I thought that the first thing that was going to be done was to get
> rid of the 640K barrier, while the software was still 16 bit. I
> thought that Jenns or someone had said (and this is a while ago so I
> could be wrong) that this would solve alot of the errors. Has this
> already been done in Breadbox Ensemble?
>
> I think that the reason that they said it was because 32 bit would be
> a vast undertaking, and extending the 640K barrier would be a faster
> and easier way to fix most problems.
>
>
> Also I was curious, is the OS on the global PC on ROM. I thought
> someone said that. The reason I am asking is because I love the fact
> that it is made for the Geos system (with its own Express button on
> the bottom row and quick link buttons at the top) and did not know if
> it was going to be possible to change the OS from what ever is on
> there to BE or the New 32 bit BE. If it is not possible, would I just
> put BE on the harddrive or one of the harddrives as I would on a
> regular computer? If I were to do that would it have access to the
> modem and ports as the Myturn software does? I am concerned that the
> hardware is locked into the Myturn software (if it is on rom).
>
>
> Also I did not see the NewBasic program on the stats for BE. Is there
> not a version from breadbox?
>

Personally, I would be pleased if they just fixed LOADER.EXE so you
could load the current program on faster processors w/o resorting to
slow-down techniques. I do a lot with the current version and have a
lot of documents saved in this format.
Paul

--

Here in comp.os.geos.misc, Bob
spake unto us, saying:

>LOL!!! 32-Bit platform! OMG!!!

Hey, 32-bit is as good as it can get on most desktop machines.

--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> http://www.visi.com/~rsteiner >>>---> Mableton, GA USA
Mainframe/Unix bit twiddler by day, OS/2+Linux+DOS hobbyist by night.
WARNING: I've seen FIELDATA FORTRAN V and I know how to use it!
The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.

On Feb 2, 2:23 pm, "pazios" wrote:
> will the 16 bit apps, that are currently being sold on the Breadbox
> Web site still work on the 32 bit platform?
>
> I have the Newdeal 2000 software.
>
> I thought that the first thing that was going to be done was to get
> rid of the 640K barrier, while the software was still 16 bit. I
> thought that Jenns or someone had said (and this is a while ago so I
> could be wrong) that this would solve alot of the errors. Has this
> already been done in Breadbox Ensemble?
>
> I think that the reason that they said it was because 32 bit would be
> a vast undertaking, and extending the 640K barrier would be a faster
> and easier way to fix most problems.
>
> Also I was curious, is the OS on the global PC on ROM. I thought
> someone said that. The reason I am asking is because I love the fact
> that it is made for the Geos system (with its own Express button on
> the bottom row and quick link buttons at the top) and did not know if
> it was going to be possible to change the OS from what ever is on
> there to BE or the New 32 bit BE. If it is not possible, would I just
> put BE on the harddrive or one of the harddrives as I would on a
> regular computer? If I were to do that would it have access to the
> modem and ports as the Myturn software does? I am concerned that the
> hardware is locked into the Myturn software (if it is on rom).
>
> Also I did not see the NewBasic program on the stats for BE. Is there
> not a version from breadbox?

recieved a response from breadbox on this issue. They responded quite
quickly. Thank you all for your responses.

pazios wrote:

> On Feb 2, 2:23 pm, "pazios" wrote:
>
>>will the 16 bit apps, that are currently being sold on the Breadbox
>>Web site still work on the 32 bit platform?
>>
>>I have the Newdeal 2000 software.
>>
>>I thought that the first thing that was going to be done was to get
>>rid of the 640K barrier, while the software was still 16 bit. I
>>thought that Jenns or someone had said (and this is a while ago so I
>>could be wrong) that this would solve alot of the errors. Has this
>>already been done in Breadbox Ensemble?
>>
>>I think that the reason that they said it was because 32 bit would be
>>a vast undertaking, and extending the 640K barrier would be a faster
>>and easier way to fix most problems.
>>
>>Also I was curious, is the OS on the global PC on ROM. I thought
>>someone said that. The reason I am asking is because I love the fact
>>that it is made for the Geos system (with its own Express button on
>>the bottom row and quick link buttons at the top) and did not know if
>>it was going to be possible to change the OS from what ever is on
>>there to BE or the New 32 bit BE. If it is not possible, would I just
>>put BE on the harddrive or one of the harddrives as I would on a
>>regular computer? If I were to do that would it have access to the
>>modem and ports as the Myturn software does? I am concerned that the
>>hardware is locked into the Myturn software (if it is on rom).
>>
>>Also I did not see the NewBasic program on the stats for BE. Is there
>>not a version from breadbox?
>
>
> recieved a response from breadbox on this issue. They responded quite
> quickly. Thank you all for your responses.
>

And the answer was ?

On Feb 9, 3:20 am, Philippe
wrote:
> pazios wrote:
> > On Feb 2, 2:23 pm, "pazios" wrote:
>
> >>will the 16 bit apps, that are currently being sold on the Breadbox
> >>Web site still work on the 32 bit platform?
>
> >>I have the Newdeal 2000 software.
>
> >>I thought that the first thing that was going to be done was to get
> >>rid of the 640K barrier, while the software was still 16 bit. I
> >>thought that Jenns or someone had said (and this is a while ago so I
> >>could be wrong) that this would solve alot of the errors. Has this
> >>already been done in Breadbox Ensemble?
>
> >>I think that the reason that they said it was because 32 bit would be
> >>a vast undertaking, and extending the 640K barrier would be a faster
> >>and easier way to fix most problems.
>
> >>Also I was curious, is the OS on the global PC on ROM. I thought
> >>someone said that. The reason I am asking is because I love the fact
> >>that it is made for the Geos system (with its own Express button on
> >>the bottom row and quick link buttons at the top) and did not know if
> >>it was going to be possible to change the OS from what ever is on
> >>there to BE or the New 32 bit BE. If it is not possible, would I just
> >>put BE on the harddrive or one of the harddrives as I would on a
> >>regular computer? If I were to do that would it have access to the
> >>modem and ports as the Myturn software does? I am concerned that the
> >>hardware is locked into the Myturn software (if it is on rom).
>
> >>Also I did not see the NewBasic program on the stats for BE. Is there
> >>not a version from breadbox?
>
> > recieved a response from breadbox on this issue. They responded quite
> > quickly. Thank you all for your responses.
>
> And the answer was ?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

sorry...that was funny that I didnt post it. hahahaha

anyway here is the email:

Hi,

Answers interspersed below...

----- Original Message ----- From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:23 PM
Subject: E-mail to Breadbox


This is a WWW Generated Document.

Telephone Number508-695-6681

I posted this on the forums but I am not getting much play, so I
thought I
would go right to the source. thankyou in advance for your attention
in this
matter





will the 16 bit apps, that are currently being sold on the Breadbox


Web site still work on the 32 bit platform?



Yes, that is the plan.








I thought that the first thing that was going to be done was to get


rid of the 640K barrier, while the software was still 16 bit. I

thought that Jenns or someone had said (and this is a while ago so I


could be wrong) that this would solve alot of the errors. Has this


already been done in Breadbox Ensemble?



We have decided to skip this and go directly to Geos32




I think that the reason that they said it was because 32 bit would be


a vast undertaking, and extending the 640K barrier would be a faster


and easier way to fix most problems.



Yes Geos32 is a big undertaking. But we decided to not do a half fix
in the interim,




Also I was curious, is the OS on the global PC on ROM. I thought


someone said that. The reason I am asking is because I love the fact


that it is made for the Geos system (with its own Express button on


the bottom row and quick link buttons at the top) and did not know if


it was going to be possible to change the OS from what ever is on


there to BE or the New 32 bit BE. If it is not possible, would I just


put BE on the harddrive or one of the harddrives as I would on a

regular computer? If I were to do that would it have access to the


modem and ports as the Myturn software does? I am concerned that the


hardware is locked into the Myturn software (if it is on rom).



No, Geos is not in ROM on the GlobalPC. It is loaded on one of the
two partitions on the hard drive.




Also I did not see the NewBasic program on the stats for BE. Is there


not a version from breadbox?



NewBASIC is a NewDeal product and Breadbox does not have rights to
sell or mess with it.

John Howard
Breadbox Computer Company LLC

pazios wrote:
> On Feb 9, 3:20 am, Philippe
[snip]

>>
>>And the answer was ?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> sorry...that was funny that I didnt post it. hahahaha
>
> anyway here is the email:
>
> Hi,
>
[snip]

thanks !

Hi pazios!

You wrote:

>will the 16 bit apps, that are currently being sold on the Breadbox
>Web site still work on the 32 bit platform?

Seems that the corresponding answers have been given by now, icluding
a detailed response from John Howard of BBX.

For the time being, NDO 2000 ist 16bit, including its sorroundings.

To me, 16bit software stands synonymously for stability & ressource
friendly. Win 3.1 might have been the same but it was just some kind
of DOS GUI.

For everydays work, such as word processing, I find a stable word
processor like NewWrite more than helpful. It does its job! There's,
certainly a couple of users who need to include audio files, or
videos, etc. into their WP documents - Sorry, I can't cope with that.
My letters are being printed on a paper sheet in an old-fashioned way,
undersigned by hand, and envelopped.

For multimedia, DVD & CD processing, etc., I keep a 32 bit partition
which is being run under Windows. Linux would be even a better choice.

So, what's your problem with 16bit apps?

Kind Regards,
Hans.

On Feb 13, 4:59 pm, Hans Voges wrote:
> Hi pazios!
>
> You wrote:
> >will the 16 bit apps, that are currently being sold on the Breadbox
> >Web site still work on the 32 bit platform?
>
> Seems that the corresponding answers have been given by now, icluding
> a detailed response from John Howard of BBX.
>
> For the time being, NDO 2000 ist 16bit, including its sorroundings.
>
> To me, 16bit software stands synonymously for stability & ressource
> friendly. Win 3.1 might have been the same but it was just some kind
> of DOS GUI.
>
> For everydays work, such as word processing, I find a stable word
> processor like NewWrite more than helpful. It does its job! There's,
> certainly a couple of users who need to include audio files, or
> videos, etc. into their WP documents - Sorry, I can't cope with that.
> My letters are being printed on a paper sheet in an old-fashioned way,
> undersigned by hand, and envelopped.
>
> For multimedia, DVD & CD processing, etc., I keep a 32 bit partition
> which is being run under Windows. Linux would be even a better choice.
>
> So, what's your problem with 16bit apps?
>
> Kind Regards,
> Hans.

why do you think I have a problem with 16 bit? I would have been
happy with extending the 640K barrier (or what ever Jenns said years
ago) and staying 16 bit. I just dont want to purchase 16 bit software
(gourmet and or timetool) and not have them run under the new system.
I was also fishing to see if they had made those changes (the
extension of the 640K barrier) in breadbox ensemble already. I am
perfectly happy with my global pc (the first time that I actually have
a computer made for Geos, everything works (modem, sound). I just
dont want to waste money purchasing software. I dont understand why
you could have thought that I had a problem with 16 bit.

Hi pazios!

You wrote:

>why do you think I have a problem with 16 bit? I would have been
>happy with extending the 640K barrier (or what ever Jenns said years
>ago) and staying 16 bit. I just dont want to purchase 16 bit software
>(gourmet and or timetool) and not have them run under the new system.
>I was also fishing to see if they had made those changes (the
>extension of the 640K barrier) in breadbox ensemble already. I am
>perfectly happy with my global pc (the first time that I actually have
>a computer made for Geos, everything works (modem, sound). I just
>dont want to waste money purchasing software. I dont understand why
>you could have thought that I had a problem with 16 bit.

Sorry, it seems that I have been misunderstanding your approach.

As far as I know, a 32 bit Geos -which could overcome the 16 bit
barrier of 640 kB in a "natural" way- is still far out and not really
in reach. BBX says to be working on 32 bit Geos but we will have to
wait, I think. They are -and they have to be- busy with other
commercial stuff which, from a commercial point of view, everyone
should appreciate.

For the time being, I think we only can concentrate on the 16 bit
material which is available. To the best of my knowledge, some
300...500 megabyte Geos 16 bit software has been written over the
years. Of course, that's not only applications, or programs, but also
pictures, news scans, documents, animations, etc. But there's a lot of
stuff (16 bit, of course) still out there. A considerable part of that
is freeware or FOC "abandonware".

So, there should be no need to buy anything, besides of the NDO suite
or Ensemble suite. Anything else can be found in the depths of the
net. And free, as mentioned before.

Reg's,
Hans.