Here in comp.os.geos.misc, winpatpar@hotmail.com spake unto us, saying:

>On Jan 25, 10:31 pm, rstei...@visi.com (Richard Steiner) wrote:
>
>> Not really. Vista is not permitted on the corporate LAN at work, and I
>> don't have the authority to install it on either of my work PCs anyway.
>
>I would agree since Vista is practically new from ground up and most
>businesses are waiting. However, every IT shop I've worked in has a
>Lab where new hardware and OS are being tested.

Our company is so decentalized (based in Geneva, large IT offices in
several places including the UK and here in Atlanta) that I don't
actually know if such a thing exists, but I'm sure it does.

>> >> 1992. I wish more products would "come up empty" like that. :-)
>
>GEOS was remarkable for what it did at the time it was developed (late
>80s, early 90s), but it was never able to go to the next level. To
>graduate beyond grade school. Therefore, to assume that a more
>advanced GEOS would be "Best of Breed" or a contender, compared to
>other operating systems, is pure speculation.

I was talking about OS/2 in the sentence above, but PC/GEOS could have
done very well with only a few additional key applications, I think.

It'd be a much harder sell these days with Linux, *BSD, and Solaris out
there as freebies.

--
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Mainframe/Unix bit twiddler by day, OS/2+Linux+DOS hobbyist by night.
WARNING: I've seen FIELDATA FORTRAN V and I know how to use it!
The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.

Here in comp.os.geos.misc,
"Tom Accuosti" spake unto us, saying:

>Holy cow! Are you kids still bickering over this? I figured that this
>groups would have long since gone the way of the caveman.

Hey... Cavemen are people, too. Or proto-people, anyway. :-)

>Oh wait - I forgot about those GEICO commercials.

Careful now. They know how to use airports, you know, which means they
aren't limited to those caves in that rocky cliff anymore.

>Anyway, it's interesting to see people still trying to keep their hobby
>software up and running.

No effort involved here. I run both GWE and NDO in a VDM under OS/2 on
my main desktop machine (192MB PPro/200). The key is to avoid that OS
thingie from Redmond. What's it called? Windhose?

>Hi Pat! Still preaching to the savages, huh? Is it doing any good?

It's still hard for us to understand him sometimes -- he's trying to
use smoke signals to communicate while we've been using pulse-modulated
directional lasers for everyday conversations for several generations.

Then again, it isn't unusual for MS advocates to be completely out of
touch with current technology trends. :-)

--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> http://www.visi.com/~rsteiner >>>---> Mableton, GA USA
Mainframe/Unix bit twiddler by day, OS/2+Linux+DOS hobbyist by night.
WARNING: I've seen FIELDATA FORTRAN V and I know how to use it!
The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.

On Feb 2, 11:38 pm, "Tom Accuosti"
wrote:
> wrote in message
>

> Hi Pat! Still preaching to the savages, huh? Is it doing any good?
>
> --
> Tom Accuostihttp://masonictao.wordpress.com/


Hi Tom,

The savages remind me of weekend cowboys. They work all week at their
day gig jobs, but on weekends they dress up like cowboys and pretend
they are someone else.

ROTFLMAO!!!

On Feb 3, 12:56 am, rstei...@visi.com (Richard Steiner) wrote:
> Here in comp.os.geos.misc, winpat...@hotmail.com spake unto us, saying:

>
> I was talking about OS/2 in the sentence above, but PC/GEOS could have
> done very well with only a few additional key applications, I think.
>
> It'd be a much harder sell these days with Linux, *BSD, and Solaris out
> there as freebies.

You're right. The sheer enormity of Linux, BS, and Solaris is mind
boggling.

On Feb 3, 12:59 am, rstei...@visi.com (Richard Steiner) wrote:
> Here in comp.os.geos.misc,
> "Tom Accuosti" spake unto us, saying:
>
> >Holy cow! Are you kids still bickering over this? I figured that this
> >groups would have long since gone the way of the caveman.
>
> Hey... Cavemen are people, too. Or proto-people, anyway. :-)
>
> >Oh wait - I forgot about those GEICO commercials.
>
> Careful now. They know how to use airports, you know, which means they
> aren't limited to those caves in that rocky cliff anymore.
>
> >Anyway, it's interesting to see people still trying to keep their hobby
> >software up and running.
>
> No effort involved here. I run both GWE and NDO in a VDM under OS/2 on
> my main desktop machine (192MB PPro/200). The key is to avoid that OS
> thingie from Redmond. What's it called? Windhose?
>
> >Hi Pat! Still preaching to the savages, huh? Is it doing any good?
>
> It's still hard for us to understand him sometimes -- he's trying to
> use smoke signals to communicate while we've been using pulse-modulated
> directional lasers for everyday conversations for several generations.
>
> Then again, it isn't unusual for MS advocates to be completely out of
> touch with current technology trends. :-)





GARTNER GROUP - OCTOBER 2006

Forecast: PC Market by Operating System, Worldwide, 2001-2010
Windows XP will be running on nearly 75% of PCs worldwide by the end
of 2006.

Yeah, I'm out of touch. LOL!

__________________________________________________ ______________________


Richard, I did play with a new Toshiba laptop A135-S4427 model, for a
friend who purchased it recently. It came with a 15.4" screen, Core
Duo 1.73GHz (dual core) processor, 1GB memory, 120GB hard drive, DVD-R/
W DL DVD drive, USB/Firewire, Wi-Fi, and Vista Home Premium Edition,
et al. It cost $699 on sale. No extras, but the hard drive is 5400rpm
with a good access time and the video is nothing special but its fast
enough for doing 3D manipulation of the Aero Windowing interface. OK!
So much for what you get today if you are in the market for a new PC
or Laptop!

NOTE: Vista is ideal when you buy a new PC. However, Windows XP will
rule the roost on existing hardware for the foreseeable future.
Therefore, its going to be a transitional migration across while Vista
matures and widens its device driver inventory to accommodate older
Windows XP hardware. The biggest upgrades will be memory, because most
other components will be fast enough. Oh yeah, video cards wil better
3D will become popular. Hint: Memory and video!

My honest opinion is that I started out really upset at Vista, after
the first hour using it. Within 2 days of learning and studying the
system, I think its excellent, however, there will be a full 6 months
before some applications catch up and drivers for older hardware will
be the main challenge. The security model is completely new. Device
drivers are going to be scrutinized a whole lot more rigorously. A
user running at Admin privileges essentially is dropped down to USER
level, thereby lowering that individual's vulnerability to targeted
virus' and malware. Then, when a real Admin moment happens (e.g.
Installing a new App), the User is challenged and prompted through the
install. As a fellow experienced IT pro, you will recognize this as
familiar because other OS' have used a similar model, here and there.
I even used it in on some Mainframe and Mini Operating Systems in my
fading memory of days past. But Microsoft had to rewrite key
components to enable this while minimizing the impact on its huge base
of existing user applications. That is the rub. You need to make
changes but you must do it strategically with the sheer size of the
installed base.
In summary, I think Vista is a step up and people will gravitate to
it in greater numbers once they learn how it works. But that's my
opinion based on observing. DOS to Windows 3 to Windows 3.1 to Windows
98 to Windows ME to Windows XP, and now to Windows Vista.

Whoa!!!!

Hey, maybe I am preaching to the choir. Then again, do we even have
enough choir members in the Church of GEOS to be heard on the street?

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I prefer a notebook which runs 20h on battery...

Andreas

winpatpar@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 3, 12:59 am, rstei...@visi.com (Richard Steiner) wrote:
>> Here in comp.os.geos.misc,
>> "Tom Accuosti" spake unto us, saying:
>>
>>> Holy cow! Are you kids still bickering over this? I figured that this
>>> groups would have long since gone the way of the caveman.
>> Hey... Cavemen are people, too. Or proto-people, anyway. :-)
>>
>>> Oh wait - I forgot about those GEICO commercials.
>> Careful now. They know how to use airports, you know, which means they
>> aren't limited to those caves in that rocky cliff anymore.
>>
>>> Anyway, it's interesting to see people still trying to keep their hobby
>>> software up and running.
>> No effort involved here. I run both GWE and NDO in a VDM under OS/2 on
>> my main desktop machine (192MB PPro/200). The key is to avoid that OS
>> thingie from Redmond. What's it called? Windhose?
>>
>>> Hi Pat! Still preaching to the savages, huh? Is it doing any good?
>> It's still hard for us to understand him sometimes -- he's trying to
>> use smoke signals to communicate while we've been using pulse-modulated
>> directional lasers for everyday conversations for several generations.
>>
>> Then again, it isn't unusual for MS advocates to be completely out of
>> touch with current technology trends. :-)
>
>
>
>
>
> GARTNER GROUP - OCTOBER 2006
>
> Forecast: PC Market by Operating System, Worldwide, 2001-2010
> Windows XP will be running on nearly 75% of PCs worldwide by the end
> of 2006.
>
> Yeah, I'm out of touch. LOL!
>
> __________________________________________________ ______________________
>
>
> Richard, I did play with a new Toshiba laptop A135-S4427 model, for a
> friend who purchased it recently. It came with a 15.4" screen, Core
> Duo 1.73GHz (dual core) processor, 1GB memory, 120GB hard drive, DVD-R/
> W DL DVD drive, USB/Firewire, Wi-Fi, and Vista Home Premium Edition,
> et al. It cost $699 on sale. No extras, but the hard drive is 5400rpm
> with a good access time and the video is nothing special but its fast
> enough for doing 3D manipulation of the Aero Windowing interface. OK!
> So much for what you get today if you are in the market for a new PC
> or Laptop!
>
> NOTE: Vista is ideal when you buy a new PC. However, Windows XP will
> rule the roost on existing hardware for the foreseeable future.
> Therefore, its going to be a transitional migration across while Vista
> matures and widens its device driver inventory to accommodate older
> Windows XP hardware. The biggest upgrades will be memory, because most
> other components will be fast enough. Oh yeah, video cards wil better
> 3D will become popular. Hint: Memory and video!
>
> My honest opinion is that I started out really upset at Vista, after
> the first hour using it. Within 2 days of learning and studying the
> system, I think its excellent, however, there will be a full 6 months
> before some applications catch up and drivers for older hardware will
> be the main challenge. The security model is completely new. Device
> drivers are going to be scrutinized a whole lot more rigorously. A
> user running at Admin privileges essentially is dropped down to USER
> level, thereby lowering that individual's vulnerability to targeted
> virus' and malware. Then, when a real Admin moment happens (e.g.
> Installing a new App), the User is challenged and prompted through the
> install. As a fellow experienced IT pro, you will recognize this as
> familiar because other OS' have used a similar model, here and there.
> I even used it in on some Mainframe and Mini Operating Systems in my
> fading memory of days past. But Microsoft had to rewrite key
> components to enable this while minimizing the impact on its huge base
> of existing user applications. That is the rub. You need to make
> changes but you must do it strategically with the sheer size of the
> installed base.
> In summary, I think Vista is a step up and people will gravitate to
> it in greater numbers once they learn how it works. But that's my
> opinion based on observing. DOS to Windows 3 to Windows 3.1 to Windows
> 98 to Windows ME to Windows XP, and now to Windows Vista.
>
> Whoa!!!!
>
> Hey, maybe I am preaching to the choir. Then again, do we even have
> enough choir members in the Church of GEOS to be heard on the street?
>

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Here in comp.os.geos.misc, winpatpar@hotmail.com spake unto us, saying:

>GARTNER GROUP - OCTOBER 2006
>
>Forecast: PC Market by Operating System, Worldwide, 2001-2010
>Windows XP will be running on nearly 75% of PCs worldwide by the end
>of 2006.

Amazing what preload contracts will do for market share, isn't it?

>Yeah, I'm out of touch. LOL!

The fact that you're equating desktop OS market share with generic tech
trends seems to strongly underline my point. :-)

There's a lot more to life in the IT world (and in a home technology
context) than PeeCee desktops. Really.

> In summary, I think Vista is a step up and people will gravitate to
>it in greater numbers once they learn how it works.

I agree that people will gravitate towards it, but most folks won't
have a choice in the matter. They will be using what their PC vendor
is preloading or what their employer is supporting, nothing more.

>Hey, maybe I am preaching to the choir. Then again, do we even have
>enough choir members in the Church of GEOS to be heard on the street?

Those who truly find enlightenment aren't much concerned with spreading
the word. That type of activity tends to occur in communities where
the message isn't compelling enough by itself. :-)

--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> http://www.visi.com/~rsteiner >>>---> Mableton, GA USA
Mainframe/Unix bit twiddler by day, OS/2+Linux+DOS hobbyist by night.
WARNING: I've seen FIELDATA FORTRAN V and I know how to use it!
The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.

All's I know is I unexpectedly started a Tech Support position
supporting Mac OS X 10.4.8. I love it! (The Mac...well and the job) I
find Mac OS X simple and intuitive. And the dang thing just works.

Richard Steiner wrote:
> Here in comp.os.geos.misc, winpatpar@hotmail.com spake unto us, saying:
>
>> GARTNER GROUP - OCTOBER 2006
>>
>> Forecast: PC Market by Operating System, Worldwide, 2001-2010
>> Windows XP will be running on nearly 75% of PCs worldwide by the end
>> of 2006.
>
> Amazing what preload contracts will do for market share, isn't it?
>
>> Yeah, I'm out of touch. LOL!
>
> The fact that you're equating desktop OS market share with generic tech
> trends seems to strongly underline my point. :-)
>
> There's a lot more to life in the IT world (and in a home technology
> context) than PeeCee desktops. Really.
>
>> In summary, I think Vista is a step up and people will gravitate to
>> it in greater numbers once they learn how it works.
>
> I agree that people will gravitate towards it, but most folks won't
> have a choice in the matter. They will be using what their PC vendor
> is preloading or what their employer is supporting, nothing more.
>
>> Hey, maybe I am preaching to the choir. Then again, do we even have
>> enough choir members in the Church of GEOS to be heard on the street?
>
> Those who truly find enlightenment aren't much concerned with spreading
> the word. That type of activity tends to occur in communities where
> the message isn't compelling enough by itself. :-)
>

Here in comp.os.geos.misc, Bob
spake unto us, saying:

>All's I know is I unexpectedly started a Tech Support position
>supporting Mac OS X 10.4.8. I love it! (The Mac...well and the job) I
>find Mac OS X simple and intuitive. And the dang thing just works.

I used a Mac IIci running MacOS 7.01 with a 20" monitor as my main
workstation at work for quite a while (1993 through 1999 or so), and
then got a PowerMac running MacOS 9 after that until I left in 2002.

I liked my Macs. I actually liked the first one so much (the IIci)
that I bought it from the company when they decided to sell some of
them off. :-)

--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> http://www.visi.com/~rsteiner >>>---> Mableton, GA USA
Mainframe/Unix bit twiddler by day, OS/2+Linux+DOS hobbyist by night.
WARNING: I've seen FIELDATA FORTRAN V and I know how to use it!
The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.