Yes it is. All of the desktop versions (Geoworks Ensemble, NewDeal
Office, and Breadbox Ensemble) have varying capabilities to export their
files (word processing, spreadsheet & database) to other formats which
can be read by Windows and Mac PCs.

Do you have a specific file type and Geos version in mind?

John ;-)

PhilK wrote:
> Hello,
> is it possible to read or convert geoworks files to be read with Windows ?
>
> Thanks
>
>

Hello John,
i don't have anymore geoworks but only these files.
So i want to read theses files ".000" from windows.

regards



"John Howard" a écrit dans le message de
news:109nn2bjhv8db74@corp.supernews.com...
> Yes it is. All of the desktop versions (Geoworks Ensemble, NewDeal
> Office, and Breadbox Ensemble) have varying capabilities to export their
> files (word processing, spreadsheet & database) to other formats which
> can be read by Windows and Mac PCs.
>
> Do you have a specific file type and Geos version in mind?
>
> John ;-)
>
> PhilK wrote:
> > Hello,
> > is it possible to read or convert geoworks files to be read with Windows
?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
>

To read those files you need some version of Geos (Geosworks Ensemble,
NewDeal Office or Breadbox Ensemble).

At www.breadbox.com you can download our Ensemble Lite. This sample of
Ensemble does include the word processor so you could read those .000
files that are word processor files.

John ;-)

PhilK wrote:

> Hello John,
> i don't have anymore geoworks but only these files.
> So i want to read theses files ".000" from windows.
>
> regards
>
>
>
> "John Howard" a écrit dans le message de
> news:109nn2bjhv8db74@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>Yes it is. All of the desktop versions (Geoworks Ensemble, NewDeal
>>Office, and Breadbox Ensemble) have varying capabilities to export their
>>files (word processing, spreadsheet & database) to other formats which
>>can be read by Windows and Mac PCs.
>>
>>Do you have a specific file type and Geos version in mind?
>>
>>John ;-)
>>
>>PhilK wrote:
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>is it possible to read or convert geoworks files to be read with Windows
>
> ?
>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

John Howard wrote:
> To read those files you need some version of Geos (Geosworks Ensemble,
> NewDeal Office or Breadbox Ensemble).
>
> At www.breadbox.com you can download our Ensemble Lite. This sample of
> Ensemble does include the word processor so you could read those .000
> files that are word processor files.
>
> John ;-)

Uh, I must have missed this "ensemble lite" downloaded it and it's
sweet! Includes Writer and WebMagik3! Ok, granted it gave me a kr-07
after one page down and page up on the included html file in documents
:-) but still sweet. Now if the download would have been built either as
a windows installable package or (even better) in a thgree 1,44mb disk
version I would have loved it even more... I mean the target audience
often lacks CD-ROM or fast internet connection so...

BTW. does it now run on freedos?

PhilK schrieb:
>
> Hello,
> is it possible to read or convert geoworks files to be read with Windows ?

There are three ways:

1) open them in their native application and export them to a format of
your liking.

2) open them in their native application and print them into a
PostScript file which you can then convert to a PDF file if you want.
This gives the best result if you just want to view/show them under
Windows.
This should work even with one of the shareware/demo versions of GEOS.

3) The Windows program WordPort can with some limitations convert
geoWrite/Writer files into many other formats.

The '.000' does not indicate any special file format. It indicates that
it is a file for one of the many GEOS applications. What kind of file
(image, text, spreadsheet, whatever) it is, can be only determined from
within GEOS (or with an HEX editor and some inner knowledge of the GEOS
filesystem)


Of course you can ask someone who still has GEOS to do the conversion
for you.

Grossibaer

I have not yet been able to run Ensemble on FreeDOS :-(

John ;-)

Dominique Vocat wrote:
[snip]

>
> BTW. does it now run on freedos?

I have run Ensemble on FreeDOS, and with the right config it runs very well........you
need to use the NTFAT file system dirver if I recall correctly and config
it as it is running under Windows NT,

BR,
Hans

John Howard wrote:
> I have not yet been able to run Ensemble on FreeDOS :-(
>
> John ;-)
>
> Dominique Vocat wrote:
> [snip]
>
> >
> > BTW. does it now run on freedos?
>
>

Hans Lindgren wrote:

> I have run Ensemble on FreeDOS, and with the right config it runs very well........you
> need to use the NTFAT file system dirver if I recall correctly and config
> it as it is running under Windows NT,
>
> BR,
> Hans

Would you be kind enough to write up the needed changes? Maybe Breadbox
could come up with a included freedos setup all-in-one :-) I for one
would *love* such a thing! Especially a freedos plus ensemble light
package -> entry drug :-).

Dom

Hi Hans,

Any info you can give as to the setup, configuration and version of
FreeDOS would be very much appreciated. I've tried about once every six
months or so (with the latest FD versions) and my problems have been
with the FreeDOS versions of EMM386 and himem (or their equivalents).
On some of my earlier trials I had problems with the FreeDOS versions of
mscdex and getting them to work with a generic CD-ROM driver, but I
think I got that one resolved.

Of course Ensemble doesn't need the whole range of FreeDOS stuff, so
just enough to get Ensemble running and able to access the drives would
be very nice.

John ;-)

Hans Lindgren wrote:

> I have run Ensemble on FreeDOS, and with the right config it runs very well........you
> need to use the NTFAT file system dirver if I recall correctly and config
> it as it is running under Windows NT,
>
> BR,
> Hans
>
> John Howard wrote:
>
>>I have not yet been able to run Ensemble on FreeDOS :-(
>>
>>John ;-)
>>
>>Dominique Vocat wrote:
>>[snip]
>>
>>
>>>BTW. does it now run on freedos?
>>
>>

John Howard wrote:

> Of course Ensemble doesn't need the whole range of FreeDOS stuff, so
> just enough to get Ensemble running and able to access the drives would
> be very nice.
>
> John ;-)

Ahh, the smell of BreadboxOS :-) a fresh backed standalone Operating
System.... well, I'd love to see that...

Hm, in case the fdisk is somewhat scriptable or sufficiently similar to
the unix tools it should be easy enough to perform the initial stuff
like partitioning etc... (I do similar stuff on the job :-) I'm hired
for our unattended XP installation... sysprep, PXE preboot scirpts linux
stuff etc etc... nice enough job if there is no sassere and similar
nastinesses arround :-) ).

Dom

Hans has come through nicely for us!!!

With some help from Hans I now have a FreeDOS boot floppy and can run
Ensemble on it. And it runs faster than when running on Win98! For
example, I timed the loading of the GeoCosmos sky view in Ensemble under
W98 and FreeDOS on my old P266 laptop...
Ensemble on Win98 - 25 seconds
Ensemble on FreeDOS - 12 seconds

Thanks Hans!!!!!!!!!!

John ;-)


John Howard wrote:

> Hi Hans,
>
> Any info you can give as to the setup, configuration and version of
> FreeDOS would be very much appreciated. I've tried about once every six
> months or so (with the latest FD versions) and my problems have been
> with the FreeDOS versions of EMM386 and himem (or their equivalents). On
> some of my earlier trials I had problems with the FreeDOS versions of
> mscdex and getting them to work with a generic CD-ROM driver, but I
> think I got that one resolved.
>
> Of course Ensemble doesn't need the whole range of FreeDOS stuff, so
> just enough to get Ensemble running and able to access the drives would
> be very nice.
>
> John ;-)
>
> Hans Lindgren wrote:
>
>> I have run Ensemble on FreeDOS, and with the right config it runs very
>> well........you need to use the NTFAT file system dirver if I recall
>> correctly and config it as it is running under Windows NT,
>>
>> BR,
>> Hans
>>
>> John Howard wrote:
>>
>>> I have not yet been able to run Ensemble on FreeDOS :-(
>>>
>>> John ;-)
>>>
>>> Dominique Vocat wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>
>>>> BTW. does it now run on freedos?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Very cool! Thanks Hans!

Ahh -- The need for speed... :-)

Ray

John Howard wrote:

> Hans has come through nicely for us!!!
>
> With some help from Hans I now have a FreeDOS boot floppy and can run
> Ensemble on it. And it runs faster than when running on Win98! For
> example, I timed the loading of the GeoCosmos sky view in Ensemble under
> W98 and FreeDOS on my old P266 laptop...
> Ensemble on Win98 - 25 seconds
> Ensemble on FreeDOS - 12 seconds
>
> Thanks Hans!!!!!!!!!!
>
> John ;-)

How is memory performance with Skipper etc? I'd love to hear of
improvements... :-)

How about a 4 diskette setup of ensemble light with freedos which can
partition the disk automaticaly? (I might be able to help :-) ).

btw: ensemble light is great but the target computers can't read a 5 mb
file :-) how about splitting it like in the good old days of floppy
installation? Doesn't matter for someone installing from hdd anyway...

oh and how about using GRUB for bootmenu (graphic!), parallel boot into
newdeal based on freedos etc?

Dom
--
C:\>

Dominique Vocat schrieb:

> How about a 4 diskette setup of ensemble light with freedos which can
> partition the disk automaticaly? (I might be able to help :-) ).
>
> btw: ensemble light is great but the target computers can't read a 5 mb
> file :-) how about splitting it like in the good old days of floppy
> installation? Doesn't matter for someone installing from hdd anyway...
>
> oh and how about using GRUB for bootmenu (graphic!), parallel boot into
> newdeal based on freedos etc?

what about a bootable CD which installs a ram-disk with BBE and links
(if present) the usual folders (document/privdata/userdata, 2nd GEOS.INI
etc.) to the HD and/or disk? An out-of-the-CD-drive system for
demonstration purposes or flexible usage on different systems. Would
require a little hardware detection to select the proper INI entries for
the current system, but definitely a nice and useful thing.

Grossibaer

yeah, good idea... but you forgot about the cereal boxes!


microsoft monopolizes the bolted inside the box hard drive in just about
every pc, but no comapny monoplizes the other bootable drives like
cdrom, usb hard drives, usb thumb drives, floppy drives, zip + ls-120
drives. etc etc etc..



it would be great if everyone could have there own personal drive
preloaded with a complete ultra low cost or possible free dos/geos
system that would boot on most any pc.. then there would be no need to
share one person's personal drive with another person..






Jens-Michael Gross wrote:
> Dominique Vocat schrieb:
>
>
>>How about a 4 diskette setup of ensemble light with freedos which can
>>partition the disk automaticaly? (I might be able to help :-) ).
>>
>>btw: ensemble light is great but the target computers can't read a 5 mb
>>file :-) how about splitting it like in the good old days of floppy
>>installation? Doesn't matter for someone installing from hdd anyway...
>>
>>oh and how about using GRUB for bootmenu (graphic!), parallel boot into
>>newdeal based on freedos etc?
>
>
> what about a bootable CD which installs a ram-disk with BBE and links
> (if present) the usual folders (document/privdata/userdata, 2nd GEOS.INI
> etc.) to the HD and/or disk? An out-of-the-CD-drive system for
> demonstration purposes or flexible usage on different systems. Would
> require a little hardware detection to select the proper INI entries for
> the current system, but definitely a nice and useful thing.
>
> Grossibaer

hyubso wrote:
> yeah, good idea... but you forgot about the cereal boxes!

:-) glad to see you stick to your ideas ;-).

Anyway. Yes that with the Bootable CD was of course the idea behind the
freedos thing etc... I think some rudimentary HW detecion is feasable
even though almost unnecessary if you simply rely on stadart vesa
resulutions. Provide the result as .iso file for anyone interested and
it will spread automatically. Youcould even go as far as to just provide
the .torrent link and the downloads don't even cost you a wooden nickle.

I wonder however about the ensemble light. Is it totaly free? I have not
seen any strings attached. If so, would you at Breadbox consider
including NewBasic? so anyone with some tallend and interest would feel
enticed and one would risk having more apps and games at the end of the day.

Just an idea. Willing to help :-)
Dom
--
C:\>

Hi John,

You are welcome! Did you manage to get the EMS-driver to function, or
did you listen to my advice and skipped it? Maybe it can be used with
the NOEMS switch?

Dom hinted me about using the UMBPCI, which is at least something, and
here is the link to it: http://www.uwe-sieber.de/umbpci_e.html

Well, this does not fully compensates as Ensemble can use some EMS
memory to add to the existing base
memory............arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhh

BTW, is there anybody in this group who can take a look at the source in
the FreeDOS EMM386.EXE to see what is wrong? I have contacted the
author, Tom Ehler, but he claims it is an error in Ensemble, and
encouraged me to contact Breadbox, but I doubt that the error is in
Ensemble, as Ensemble works with every EMS manager I have tested except
the FreeDOS one.

The error shows like this: when the EMS-driver is loaded in the
CONFIG.SYS, Ensemble loads and the destop shows, but it does not take
any keyboard or mouse input, it have hung or freezed or stopped.

Ensemble works with
PC DOS EMM386.EXE
MS DOS EMM386.EXE
DR DOS EMM386.EXE (includes OpenDOS etc)
ROMDOS EMM386.EXE
QEMM (stealthmode off)
386 MAX

Ensemble do NOT work with:
FreeDOS EMM386.EXE

BR,
Hans


On 2004-05-18 01:19, John Howard wrote:

>Hans has come through nicely for us!!!
>
>With some help from Hans I now have a FreeDOS boot floppy and can run
>Ensemble on it. And it runs faster than when running on Win98! For
>example, I timed the loading of the GeoCosmos sky view in Ensemble under
>W98 and FreeDOS on my old P266 laptop...
> Ensemble on Win98 - 25 seconds
> Ensemble on FreeDOS - 12 seconds
>
>Thanks Hans!!!!!!!!!!
>
>John ;-)
>
>
>John Howard wrote:
>
>
>
>>Hi Hans,
>>
>>Any info you can give as to the setup, configuration and version of
>>FreeDOS would be very much appreciated. I've tried about once every six
>>months or so (with the latest FD versions) and my problems have been
>>with the FreeDOS versions of EMM386 and himem (or their equivalents). On
>>some of my earlier trials I had problems with the FreeDOS versions of
>>mscdex and getting them to work with a generic CD-ROM driver, but I
>>think I got that one resolved.
>>
>>Of course Ensemble doesn't need the whole range of FreeDOS stuff, so
>>just enough to get Ensemble running and able to access the drives would
>>be very nice.
>>
>>John ;-)
>>
>>Hans Lindgren wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I have run Ensemble on FreeDOS, and with the right config it runs very
>>>well........you need to use the NTFAT file system dirver if I recall
>>>correctly and config it as it is running under Windows NT,
>>>
>>>BR,
>>>Hans
>>>
>>>John Howard wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have not yet been able to run Ensemble on FreeDOS :-(
>>>>
>>>>John ;-)
>>>>
>>>>Dominique Vocat wrote:
>>>>[snip]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>BTW. does it now run on freedos?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>

In article <10aii4cfjde612d@corp.supernews.com>,
John Howard wrote:
>Hans has come through nicely for us!!!
>
>With some help from Hans I now have a FreeDOS boot floppy and can run
>Ensemble on it. And it runs faster than when running on Win98! For
>example, I timed the loading of the GeoCosmos sky view in Ensemble under
>W98 and FreeDOS on my old P266 laptop...
> Ensemble on Win98 - 25 seconds
> Ensemble on FreeDOS - 12 seconds

Sooo . . . what's your config.sys and autoexec.bat look like?

Doug

Dominique Vocat schrieb:

> Youcould even go as far as to just provide
> the .torrent link and the downloads don't even cost you a wooden nickle.

Well, what do I do with these .torrent files?
I found a source packed with them, but what to do next? Any idea? Do I
need an unpacking program or what?

Grossibaer