They are coming back from holdays - Firewalls

This is a discussion on They are coming back from holdays - Firewalls ; X-No-Archive: Yes "Leythos" wrote in message news:1223825489_194293@news.usenet.com... > In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says... >> And it was NOT unethical for people to tune into the Democratic >> or Republican conventions from work. >> > > If they violate company policy ...

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    "Leythos" wrote in message
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    > In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> And it was NOT unethical for people to tune into the Democratic
    >> or Republican conventions from work.
    >>

    >
    > If they violate company policy then it's unethical, period.
    >
    > You are a blight on this group because you constantly advocate and
    > assist people in doing things that violate their company policy, could



    However, there are commercial public VPN services that encourage
    this. One that was used heavily during the Olympics to circumvent
    geographic filters on video during the Olympics, also advertises
    being able to circumvent workplace filtering as one of its selling points.

    One of their selling points is "Your employer or IT admin won't know
    you are using it". This is a company in Cyprus operating servers at
    server farms in Germany, England, and Ukraine. For about
    USD$26.40 (at current exchange rates) per month, you have access
    to a VPN server that encrypts at double the normal VPN encryption
    strength, strong enough where there is no possible way that IT admins
    could crack it with current technology. I would LOVE to see some
    IT admin here try and crack and sniff a 256 bit encryption scheme.

    I did see a lot of connections coming through this company's servers
    in Germany and England, during the broadcast of the vice presidential
    deabate,
    probably a lot of people tuning on on the debate from work in a manner
    where the boss will NEVER know they are tuning into the debates from
    work. That information will ONLY be known to the company in Cyprus
    that operates the servers.

    If you had traffic going to strange machiens in Germany and England on
    2nd October, that was probably someone tuning into the VP debate.

    They also market heavily to people living or travelling in countries such
    as China, Saudi Arabia, or Iran, which heavily censor the Net. If you
    use this company' service, the authorities in those countries will NEVER
    know what you are up to. This company in Cyprus makes that a selling
    point for its services.

    When I use my own VPN server from censorious countries, I know
    that what I do won't be detected. Since I like to go to Syria once
    or twice a year to gamble at one of only a handful of casinos on the
    Middle East, I can use my VPN connection to bypass government
    firewalls and check my Email on Hotmail (blocked in Syria), and
    the Syrian authorites NEVER know what I am up to. I also use
    VPN to access Skype (also blocked in Syria) to check for any
    voicemail messages related to my radio station, and, once again,
    the Syrian authorities cannot POSSIBLY know what I am up to.
    While I am only using 168 bit encryption, that is enough to
    keep my use of Skype from being detected.






  2. Re: They are coming back from holdays

    In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > I am one of those who is against censorship in ANY place, for
    > ANY reason, including the workplace.
    >


    And there you go again, delusional. Censorship has nothing to do with
    company policy that blocks internet access for non-business needs.

    You support unethical behavior that can get people fired, you show them
    how to do it and one of these times someone is going to get fired and
    come after you for it.

    A VPN won't make it out of a properly secured network unless it's been
    explicitly permitted - and most are not.

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    In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > One of their selling points is "Your employer or IT admin won't know
    > you are using it".
    >


    Which is complete and utter bull crap - it's very easy to spot a vpn or
    ssl connection that doesn't belong.

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    - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
    drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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    "Leythos" wrote in message
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    > In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> I am one of those who is against censorship in ANY place, for
    >> ANY reason, including the workplace.
    >>

    >
    > And there you go again, delusional. Censorship has nothing to do with
    > company policy that blocks internet access for non-business needs.
    >
    > You support unethical behavior that can get people fired, you show them
    > how to do it and one of these times someone is going to get fired and
    > come after you for it.



    Of courser, I don't run MY proxy anymore, because my firewall software
    was crashing under the heavy load of running a Tor entry proxy. Kerio
    and Tiny both become unstable and crash after a few hours under the
    heavy load. The server had to be re-booted every few hours to keep
    both Windows, and the software firewall program, from crashing.

    While, on some Internet radio forums, I will point people to
    BananaVPN, or other commercial proxy servics, if they need a program,
    I no longr run the proxy on my machine





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    "Leythos" wrote in message
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    > In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> One of their selling points is "Your employer or IT admin won't know
    >> you are using it".
    >>

    >
    > Which is complete and utter bull crap - it's very easy to spot a vpn or
    > ssl connection that doesn't belong.



    Well, I use my own VPN tunnel when I go to certain countries, such as
    China (and soon Japan and South Korea) that censor/monitor the net.
    There is no POSSIBLE way the authorities in those countries can know
    what I am up to.

    Just like after the cyclone in Mynmar earlier this year. I went there to
    report from there, and simply used my VPN tunnel, so the ruling
    Military Junta could not POSSIBLY find out what I am doing. All
    the Junta would see is a bunch of encrypted garbage, and they
    would never know I was reporting illegally from that country (like
    most of the reporters there were). I did one edition of my talk
    show there, using a VPN tunnel to my Shoutcast server, which
    then relayed to the Live 365 network. If the Junta DID try to
    monitor the connection, all they would have gotten was a bunch
    of encrypted GARBAGE.

    It just so happens there is a high-class tourist resort about
    45 minutes drive away from where much of the devastation
    was, and this beach resort somehow managed to avoid
    serious damage, so I would able to bluff my way in as a
    tourist, and get a 7-day tourist permit at the airport. As
    long as I did not overstay that permit, I did not have to
    worry. I simply used the in-room internet connection
    to VPN into my Shoutcast server and get on the air.





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    In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >
    > X-No-Archive: Yes
    >
    >
    > "Leythos" wrote in message
    > news:1223860712_195387@news.usenet.com...
    > > In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    > >> One of their selling points is "Your employer or IT admin won't know
    > >> you are using it".
    > >>

    > >
    > > Which is complete and utter bull crap - it's very easy to spot a vpn or
    > > ssl connection that doesn't belong.

    >
    >
    > Well, I use my own VPN tunnel when I go to certain countries, such as
    > China (and soon Japan and South Korea) that censor/monitor the net.
    > There is no POSSIBLE way the authorities in those countries can know
    > what I am up to.
    >
    > Just like after the cyclone in Mynmar earlier this year. I went there to
    > report from there, and simply used my VPN tunnel, so the ruling
    > Military Junta could not POSSIBLY find out what I am doing. All
    > the Junta would see is a bunch of encrypted garbage, and they
    > would never know I was reporting illegally from that country (like
    > most of the reporters there were). I did one edition of my talk
    > show there, using a VPN tunnel to my Shoutcast server, which
    > then relayed to the Live 365 network. If the Junta DID try to
    > monitor the connection, all they would have gotten was a bunch
    > of encrypted GARBAGE.
    >
    > It just so happens there is a high-class tourist resort about
    > 45 minutes drive away from where much of the devastation
    > was, and this beach resort somehow managed to avoid
    > serious damage, so I would able to bluff my way in as a
    > tourist, and get a 7-day tourist permit at the airport. As
    > long as I did not overstay that permit, I did not have to
    > worry. I simply used the in-room internet connection
    > to VPN into my Shoutcast server and get on the air.
    >
    >

    I'm having an awful time trying to understand how all this
    crap is related to firewalls. This newsgroup is comp.security.
    firewalls.

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    "Leythos" wrote in message
    news:1223860662_195386@news.usenet.com...
    > In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
    >> I am one of those who is against censorship in ANY place, for
    >> ANY reason, including the workplace.
    >>

    >
    > And there you go again, delusional. Censorship has nothing to do with
    > company policy that blocks internet access for non-business needs.



    Well, I see nothing wrong with listening to Christmas music, at work,
    as long as you are getting your work done, and within a few minutes
    of flipping the switch to another all holday oldies weekend, the
    traffic shot up through the roof, with with almost all of it coming from
    office networks in the United States. I flipped the switch just now
    after the morning show here, aimed at Australian audiences. Within
    only a few minutes of activating the Christmas playlist, people were
    connecting from office networks all over the place.




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