In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> And one guy from China has put VERY
> detailed instructions on at least THREE
> figure skating boards, including mine, or
> how to get past ANY firewall to use it.
> So even the "secure" networks that Leythos
> touts, might be no match for this new service.

It doesn't work, it doesn't matter how you play the game, they can't get
to the entry point from any of our networks - it's really that simple.

Nothing they can put up can be reached from our networks, we only allow
connections to business approved sites, not some filtered list that
allows x category, but hard approved lists.

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"Leythos" wrote in message
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> In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
>> And one guy from China has put VERY
>> detailed instructions on at least THREE
>> figure skating boards, including mine, or
>> how to get past ANY firewall to use it.
>> So even the "secure" networks that Leythos
>> touts, might be no match for this new service.
>
> It doesn't work, it doesn't matter how you play the game, they can't get
> to the entry point from any of our networks - it's really that simple.

Well, as for the guy from China, who put up information on
how to circumvent company networks, being that ALL THREE
of these figure skating boards are based OUTSIDE the
United States, the board admins of ALL THREE boards
CANNOT BE PROSECUTED in the United States for
allowing the posts the boards. Since the servers are in
Canada, England, and Mexico, postings made to the
boards are ONLY subject to the laws of the country the
board is HOSTED in. All three boards, becuase they are
OUTSIDE the United States are NOT SUBJECT to
United States laws. Since this POSTER is coming from
CHINA (based on the IP logs on MY board), and
the three boards he posted on are on servers in England,
Mexico,and Canada, his postings are ONLY subject to the
laws of Mexico, China, England, and Canada, and are
NOT SUBJECT to ANY United States laws.

In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> All three boards, becuase they are
> OUTSIDE the United States are NOT SUBJECT to
> United States laws.

And I suppose you've never read about a person in another country that
commits a crime across the internet being arrested in his home
country...

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"Leythos" wrote in message
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> In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
>> All three boards, becuase they are
>> OUTSIDE the United States are NOT SUBJECT to
>> United States laws.
>
> And I suppose you've never read about a person in another country that
> commits a crime across the internet being arrested in his home
> country...

There is a new program that is now advertising on one our
competitors in the sports and/or talk show genre, and this
program does not require anything to be installed. System
Cleaner runs from a single .EXE file, nothing to install. Just
insert the floppy or memory stick the program in on into
your office PC, and erase all your tracks. You can use
tihs on your office PC, and there will be no CLUE that
any kind of disk wiping program was ever used. The
program is apparently small enough to place on a floppy disk.

In message "Chilly8"
wrote:

>There is a new program that is now advertising on one our
>competitors in the sports and/or talk show genre, and this
>program does not require anything to be installed. System
>Cleaner runs from a single .EXE file, nothing to install. Just
>insert the floppy or memory stick the program in on into
>your office PC, and erase all your tracks. You can use
>tihs on your office PC, and there will be no CLUE that
>any kind of disk wiping program was ever used. The
>program is apparently small enough to place on a floppy disk.

*sigh*

You're more then welcome to try that, but in a network environment built
for security, a number of things will get in your way.

1) Floppies are not available.

2) USB sticks will not install (nor will any other unauthorized device
install)

3) Unknown exes won't run.

4) You'll be fired for testing policy #3.

5) Packets address to, or received from unknown servers are simply
discarded.

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"DevilsPGD" wrote in message
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> In message "Chilly8"
> wrote:
>
>>There is a new program that is now advertising on one our
>>competitors in the sports and/or talk show genre, and this
>>program does not require anything to be installed. System
>>Cleaner runs from a single .EXE file, nothing to install. Just
>>insert the floppy or memory stick the program in on into
>>your office PC, and erase all your tracks. You can use
>>tihs on your office PC, and there will be no CLUE that
>>any kind of disk wiping program was ever used. The
>>program is apparently small enough to place on a floppy disk.
>
> *sigh*
>


>
> 5) Packets address to, or received from unknown servers are simply
> discarded.


Well, I am suddenly seeing a dramatic increase in traffic from
a major financial services firm in New York. I had 13
connections from their network, at about 11:30 AM
Eastern Time. The music programme I run, when not
doing like talk or sports programming, has apparently
made me a popular at-work station at the major
financial services firm.

Also, some workers are figuring out to get Live 365
to work through phpProxy installations. If you use
http://www.live365.com/stations/stationname?play,
where "stationname" is the screen name of the
broadcaster, most phpProxy installations will not
allow the connection becuase the cookies it tries
to send to your machine are blocked. But if you
use a traffic analysis tool, and find the IP and
port for a direct connection to the stream, that
will go through phpProxy without a problem, so
a lot of people are obviously listening to me, and
other Live 365 stations, via phpProxy installations,
using this method. In short, someone who knows
how to get the direct connect IP and port can
listen to any Live 365 broadcast, from the office,
through any phpProxy site, and all the network
admins will see is a bunch of jibberish in the record
of what URLs were accessed. phpProxy obfuscates
the URL, so the precise location of where you went
cannot be determined by your network admins.

In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
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> "Leythos" wrote in message
> news:MPG.218da08a1bee30f4989722@adfree.Usenet.com. ..
> > In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> >> All three boards, becuase they are
> >> OUTSIDE the United States are NOT SUBJECT to
> >> United States laws.
> >
> > And I suppose you've never read about a person in another country that
> > commits a crime across the internet being arrested in his home
> > country...
>
> There is a new program that is now advertising on one our
> competitors in the sports and/or talk show genre, and this
> program does not require anything to be installed. System
> Cleaner runs from a single .EXE file, nothing to install. Just
> insert the floppy or memory stick the program in on into
> your office PC, and erase all your tracks. You can use
> tihs on your office PC, and there will be no CLUE that
> any kind of disk wiping program was ever used. The
> program is apparently small enough to place on a floppy disk.

Unless it formats the drive it won't work on most of our systems or
laptops.

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In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> all the network
> admins will see is a bunch of jibberish in the record
> of what URLs were accessed. phpProxy obfuscates
> the URL, so the precise location of where you went
> cannot be determined by your network admins.

They don't need to see the data, only where the connection is too, and
that's enough to tell that you're not doing something accepted by
company policy.

So, again, on a properly secured network it would not work no matter how
many proxy sites you have, and one less secure networks it would stand
out like a sore thumb.

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"Leythos" wrote in message
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> In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
>> all the network
>> admins will see is a bunch of jibberish in the record
>> of what URLs were accessed. phpProxy obfuscates
>> the URL, so the precise location of where you went
>> cannot be determined by your network admins.
>
> They don't need to see the data, only where the connection is too, and
> that's enough to tell that you're not doing something accepted by
> company policy.
>
> So, again, on a properly secured network it would not work no matter how
> many proxy sites you have, and one less secure networks it would stand
> out like a sore thumb.

Well, there are literally thousands of such public php-based proxy
sites on the Net. That is why 8e6 is developing its appliance to keep
up with the rising tide of these proxies. This appliance, running
anywhere from $2,500 all the way up to $15,000, depending on
how many users you intend to licence it for, is the ONLY firewall
of its kind, and is the ONLY appliance ever MADE that can stem
the rising tide of phpProxy sites on the net. There are SO many of
them, that companies that do NOT use the rather pricey firewall
appliance will be forever playing "whack a mole", as more and
more web-based proxies come on line. Sure, you can block
them when you find out about them, but without this expensive
appliance, the phpProxy operators will have the upper hand.

I got a sudden surge in traffic from several phoProxy sites around
10AM Easern time this morning, and it is still going strong.
Being that its the workday back home in Australia, I would
bet that a lot of workplaces in Australia are tuned in. When
the come through a phpProxy site, my web-access records
and the Live 365 geostats will only show the address of the
proxy. My morning show, aimed at Australian listeners,
Wake Up Australia!! often gets a few hits from workplaces
in Australia. I do think that people are finally figuring how to
access Live 365 stations through phpProxy installations
and be able to listen from work.

One problem with phpProxy is that if my station reaches the
limit of free listeners, which it did several times today, then
they cannot get on. If you have to log in as a VIP listener,
than phpProxy will not work, as most phpProxy
installations will block the cookies that need to be sent
in order to log on to Live 365 with your username and
password. The package I use allows a limit of 50 free
listeners. Between the listeners coming from this one
financial firm, which does not block Live 365 VIP
listening, there were 10 free listeners and 3 VIP
listeners around 11:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
coming from the network of this major financial services
firm.

I was hitting the maxium free listner limit several times
between 11AM and 3PM Eastern Daylight Time,
and I usually only hit that when I am doing talk or
sports programming. So my music programme is
apparently becoming a hit in a number of workplaces
all over the world.

In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> There are SO many of
> them, that companies that do NOT use the rather pricey firewall
> appliance will be forever playing "whack a mole"

Actually, it's easy to defeat with a CHEAP firewall appliance, and even
many SOHO solutions can defeat your proxy crap.

Fact is, as smaller I.T. admins learn how easy it is, and as larger
companies learn how much productivity is lost, you're show won't be
listened to anywhere except third world countries that don't increase
your ratings.

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"Leythos" wrote in message
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> In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
>> There are SO many of
>> them, that companies that do NOT use the rather pricey firewall
>> appliance will be forever playing "whack a mole"
>
> Actually, it's easy to defeat with a CHEAP firewall appliance, and even
> many SOHO solutions can defeat your proxy crap.
>
> Fact is, as smaller I.T. admins learn how easy it is, and as larger
> companies learn how much productivity is lost, you're show won't be
> listened to anywhere except third world countries that don't increase
> your ratings.

I dont think that will be much of a concern for my target audience
back homeom Australia. While I do pick up lot of American
listeners, our target audience, at least with our sports programming
I run, is back home in Australia. I don't think much will change
in Australian workplaces in the near future as far as filtering
practices go. With one proposal in Australia to mandate
ISP-level filtering, if the customer desires it, I think that Australian
workplaces will rely on the ISP's filter to block what they dont
want seen, instead of their own firewalls. So I am really not that
worried right now about our target audience back home in
Australia not being able to tune in, becuase I don't expect
that much to change in Australian workplaces.

There is also the fact that Australian law does not prohibit
using a public proxy, such as a phpProxy site, to get around
corporate filtering. As long as you do not break someone's
password, it is legal in Australia.

With the ISU wanting to charge exobitant fees to TV broadcasters
(but apparently not radio) to broadcast figure skating events,
we are just about the only outlet on the Net for live skating,
and the large number of corporate networks connected
during our Friday broadcast of Skate America, seem to reflect
that. I just wonder what is going to happen this Friday when
we broadcast the next event, from Havana, which starts much
earlier in the American workday, as compared to last week.

In article , chilly8@hotmail.com says...
> There is also the fact that Australian law does not prohibit
> using a public proxy, such as a phpProxy site, to get around
> corporate filtering. As long as you do not break someone's
> password, it is legal in Australia.

And yet, assisting in a crime is still a crime in Oz, and you give
methods to break laws and work contracts - so you can be liable.

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