Recursion and cache query are both prohibited from outside - that was
actually done before the exploit patch because they'd been flagged in a
PCI compliance scan.


From: Dawn Connelly []
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 4:59 PM
To: Jeff Lightner
Cc: Graeme Fowler;
Subject: Re: DNS Exploit Attempts??

No worries. This particular "attack" isn't's probably just
being used a lot more. It's testing for low hanging fruit to target. If
your recursion is open to the world, it will be wicked easy to poison
your cache... moral of the story- patching is great, but make sure your
recursion ACLs are in place too.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Jeff Lightner

The point in my post was asking if there was a known thing that occurred
that would have suddenly have spawned more of these kinds of queries
than in the past given that various people are seeing them.

Obviously I could research individual addresses - but my question wasn't
how to research them but rather if there was a known badness that had
suddenly started spawning more of them given that I was seeing them as
others also apparently were.

To that end Dawn's post more closely attempted to answer that than

I have by the way already created a blacklist. Again I was just
wondering if there was something new and exciting happening.

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On

Behalf Of Dawn Connelly
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 4:01 PM
To: Graeme Fowler
Subject: Re: DNS Exploit Attempts??

True that...but this is most likely the script that was causing the
he was seeing:
It was written by the same guy that owns the IP address space that he
seeing the . requests coming from. It should still be blacklisted.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Graeme Fowler

> On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 13:08 -0400, Jeff Lightner wrote:
> > Someone had apparently posted on a Fedora forum that seeing the high
> > level of query cache denied was a sign of people trying the exploit

> > someone else here said it wasn't a symptom of the exploit.

> That's not *quite* correct (well, not even correct actually, but that
> sounds churlish).
> I said that the addresses listed in the post on the fedora-users list
> were actually directly related to research work being done by Dan
> Kaminsky and/or some people at a .edu connected to him.
> The OP of the message fired off in a panic, IMO, without doing any
> homework whatsoever.
> > However, on returning to my office I too saw a dramatic increase in

> > number of these. If they aren't for the exploit does someone know

> > they increased?

> If you've seen a dramatic increase in log entries, have you done any
> work at all to see where they're coming from? Pound to a penny, if you
> find they're from an educational institution you'll be able to fire

> an email to someone there (look in WHOIS for the contact details for
> starters) and they'll tell you. If they're from Nigeria, Chinese ISPs,
> Russia, or a bunch of colo/hosting places in the US or Europe (or

> common malware sources, yours will differ from mine) then they're
> probably scans from less friendly types.
> There's an interesting message on the OARCI dnsops list here:
> [note: the sender of that message is the originator of query-cache

> from Georgia Tech IP IPv4 space]
> I guess the important message here is: do some homework first. They

> or may not be malicious, but having an indication either way is good
> before you run into the woods with your shotgun.
> Graeme

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