RRD43-AA Problem - DEC

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  1. RRD43-AA Problem

    I have recently acquired one of these drives for my VAXstation 3100 (M38).
    It powers up OK and VMS show it as online and wrtlck. However when I try to
    mount a CD the error count goes up and the command eventually gives up with
    a "%MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline" message. I suppose the inevitable
    conclusion is that the drive is faulty, but before I give up on it I thought
    I would ask here for advice, is there anything I might try to see if I can
    make it work?

    I did an ANALYZE/ERROR and a typical error entry for the device is:

    ERROR SEQUENCE 325. LOGGED ON: SID
    0A000005
    DATE/TIME 23-JUN-2007 11:51:36.04 SYS_TYPE
    04010102
    SYSTEM UPTIME: 0 DAYS 00:27:25
    SCS NODE: VAX VAX/VMS V7.3

    DEVICE ERROR KA420 CPU FW REV# 6.

    RRD43 SUB-SYSTEM, UNIT _VAX$DKA400:

    HW REVISION 34383031
    HW REVISION = 1084
    ERROR TYPE 05
    EXTENDED SENSE DATA RECEIVED
    SCSI ID 04
    SCSI ID = 4.
    SCSI LUN 00
    SCSI LUN = 0.
    SCSI SUBLUN 00
    SCSI SUBLUN = 0.
    PORT STATUS 00000001
    %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, NORMAL SUCCESSFUL
    COMPLETION
    SCSI CMD 00000000
    0000
    TEST UNIT RDY
    SCSI STATUS 02
    CHECK CONDITION

    EXTENDED SENSE DATA

    EXTENDED SENSE 00030070
    0A000000
    00000000
    00000057
    0000
    MEDIUM ERROR
    UNABLE TO RECOVER TABLE-OF-CONTENTS
    UCB$B_ERTCNT 04
    4. RETRIES REMAINING
    UCB$B_ERTMAX 00
    0. RETRIES ALLOWABLE
    ORB$L_OWNER 00010004
    OWNER UIC [001,004]
    UCB$L_CHAR 1EC54008
    DIRECTORY STRUCTURED
    FILE ORIENTED
    SHARABLE
    AVAILABLE
    ERROR LOGGING
    ALLOCATED
    SOFTWARE "WRITE LOCK"
    CAPABLE OF INPUT
    CAPABLE OF OUTPUT
    RANDOM ACCESS
    UCB$W_STS 0000
    UCB$L_OPCNT 00000008
    8. QIO'S THIS UNIT
    UCB$W_ERRCNT 0094
    148. ERRORS THIS UNIT
    IRP$W_BCNT 0000
    TRANSFER SIZE 0. BYTE(S)
    IRP$W_BOFF 0000
    TRANSFER PAGE ALIGNED
    IRP$L_PID 00010013
    REQUESTOR "PID"
    IRP$Q_IOSB 00000001
    00110000 IOSB, 0. BYTE(S) TRANSFERRED
    00110000 IOSB, 0. BYTE(S) TRANSFERRED

    It says "medium error" but I have tried with a couple of CDs I know to be
    OK.
    Thanks

    Rob



  2. Re: RRD43-AA Problem

    In article , "Robert Jarratt" writes:
    >I have recently acquired one of these drives for my VAXstation 3100 (M38).
    >It powers up OK and VMS show it as online and wrtlck. However when I try to
    >mount a CD the error count goes up and the command eventually gives up with
    >a "%MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline" message.


    Is this an original CD or a selfburned one?

    Older drives like this quad-speed (?) one are very picky with the medium.
    It seems the reflection of modern material is too less to work reliable.
    Use a more modern drive or an original CD instead...

    --
    Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
    Network and OpenVMS system specialist
    E-mail peter@langstoeger.at
    A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist

  3. Re: RRD43-AA Problem

    Robert Jarratt wrote:
    > I have recently acquired one of these drives for my VAXstation 3100 (M38).
    > It powers up OK and VMS show it as online and wrtlck. However when I try to
    > mount a CD the error count goes up and the command eventually gives up with
    > a "%MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline" message. I suppose the inevitable
    > conclusion is that the drive is faulty, but before I give up on it I thought
    > I would ask here for advice, is there anything I might try to see if I can
    > make it work?
    >
    > I did an ANALYZE/ERROR and a typical error entry for the device is:
    >
    > ERROR SEQUENCE 325. LOGGED ON: SID
    > 0A000005
    > DATE/TIME 23-JUN-2007 11:51:36.04 SYS_TYPE
    > 04010102
    > SYSTEM UPTIME: 0 DAYS 00:27:25
    > SCS NODE: VAX VAX/VMS V7.3
    >
    > DEVICE ERROR KA420 CPU FW REV# 6.
    >
    > RRD43 SUB-SYSTEM, UNIT _VAX$DKA400:
    >
    > HW REVISION 34383031
    > HW REVISION = 1084
    > ERROR TYPE 05
    > EXTENDED SENSE DATA RECEIVED
    > SCSI ID 04
    > SCSI ID = 4.
    > SCSI LUN 00
    > SCSI LUN = 0.
    > SCSI SUBLUN 00
    > SCSI SUBLUN = 0.
    > PORT STATUS 00000001
    > %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, NORMAL SUCCESSFUL
    > COMPLETION
    > SCSI CMD 00000000
    > 0000
    > TEST UNIT RDY
    > SCSI STATUS 02
    > CHECK CONDITION
    >
    > EXTENDED SENSE DATA
    >
    > EXTENDED SENSE 00030070
    > 0A000000
    > 00000000
    > 00000057
    > 0000
    > MEDIUM ERROR
    > UNABLE TO RECOVER TABLE-OF-CONTENTS
    > UCB$B_ERTCNT 04
    > 4. RETRIES REMAINING
    > UCB$B_ERTMAX 00
    > 0. RETRIES ALLOWABLE
    > ORB$L_OWNER 00010004
    > OWNER UIC [001,004]
    > UCB$L_CHAR 1EC54008
    > DIRECTORY STRUCTURED
    > FILE ORIENTED
    > SHARABLE
    > AVAILABLE
    > ERROR LOGGING
    > ALLOCATED
    > SOFTWARE "WRITE LOCK"
    > CAPABLE OF INPUT
    > CAPABLE OF OUTPUT
    > RANDOM ACCESS
    > UCB$W_STS 0000
    > UCB$L_OPCNT 00000008
    > 8. QIO'S THIS UNIT
    > UCB$W_ERRCNT 0094
    > 148. ERRORS THIS UNIT
    > IRP$W_BCNT 0000
    > TRANSFER SIZE 0. BYTE(S)
    > IRP$W_BOFF 0000
    > TRANSFER PAGE ALIGNED
    > IRP$L_PID 00010013
    > REQUESTOR "PID"
    > IRP$Q_IOSB 00000001
    > 00110000 IOSB, 0. BYTE(S) TRANSFERRED
    > 00110000 IOSB, 0. BYTE(S) TRANSFERRED
    >
    > It says "medium error" but I have tried with a couple of CDs I know to be
    > OK.
    > Thanks
    >
    > Rob
    >
    >


    Have you checked that the jumpers for the block size (512) and parity
    (on) have the right settings?




  4. Re: RRD43-AA Problem


    "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER" wrote in message
    news:467d971c$1@news.langstoeger.at...
    > In article , "Robert Jarratt"
    > writes:
    >>I have recently acquired one of these drives for my VAXstation 3100 (M38).
    >>It powers up OK and VMS show it as online and wrtlck. However when I try
    >>to
    >>mount a CD the error count goes up and the command eventually gives up
    >>with
    >>a "%MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline" message.

    >
    > Is this an original CD or a selfburned one?
    >
    > Older drives like this quad-speed (?) one are very picky with the medium.
    > It seems the reflection of modern material is too less to work reliable.
    > Use a more modern drive or an original CD instead...
    >
    > --
    > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
    > Network and OpenVMS system specialist
    > E-mail peter@langstoeger.at
    > A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist


    The CDs I used were all originals. I can't use a more modern drive because I
    want one that the VAXstation 3100 will boot off. I have a Sony CDU-55S that
    I can use once VMS is running, but the machine will refuses to boot off it.
    I think the firmware is very sensitive to the actual model of drive I am
    using.

    Regards

    Rob



  5. Re: RRD43-AA Problem


    "Uusimäki" wrote in message
    news:467d87e4$0$15298$9b536df3@news.fv.fi...
    > Robert Jarratt wrote:
    >> I have recently acquired one of these drives for my VAXstation 3100
    >> (M38). It powers up OK and VMS show it as online and wrtlck. However when
    >> I try to mount a CD the error count goes up and the command eventually
    >> gives up with a "%MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline" message. I suppose
    >> the inevitable conclusion is that the drive is faulty, but before I give
    >> up on it I thought I would ask here for advice, is there anything I might
    >> try to see if I can make it work?
    >>
    >> It says "medium error" but I have tried with a couple of CDs I know to be
    >> OK.
    >> Thanks
    >>
    >> Rob

    >
    > Have you checked that the jumpers for the block size (512) and parity (on)
    > have the right settings?
    >
    >
    >


    There is no jumper I can see that governs the block size, VMS reports it as
    having a 512 block size in any case. I had been trying it with the parity
    jumper on because the manual says that this is the position for DEC
    workstation mode. With the jumper off I found that it works, but the manual
    says that this is DEC PC mode. Oh well. Now I just need to check that it
    will actually boot off the drive too.

    Thanks

    Rob



  6. Re: RRD43-AA Problem

    Robert Jarratt schrieb:

    >
    > There is no jumper I can see that governs the block size, VMS reports it as
    > having a 512 block size in any case. I had been trying it with the parity
    > jumper on because the manual says that this is the position for DEC
    > workstation mode. With the jumper off I found that it works, but the manual
    > says that this is DEC PC mode. Oh well. Now I just need to check that it
    > will actually boot off the drive too.
    >


    if conventional wisdom fails I'd also
    check "trivial" things like the SCSI bus itself.
    In particular I found that the pins of this proprietary
    external connector may easily be twisted.
    VAXstations seem to be picky which CD drive they
    accept to boot off. RRD's should work, however
    (I succeeded with a RRD40), but maybe an RRD43 is "too new" ?
    A list of CDROMs which might also work is here:

    http://sites.inka.de/pcde/help/dec-cdrom-list.txt


  7. Re: RRD43-AA Problem


    "Michael Kraemer" wrote in message
    news:f5keaf$ta9$00$1@news.t-online.com...
    > Robert Jarratt schrieb:
    >
    >>
    >> There is no jumper I can see that governs the block size, VMS reports it
    >> as having a 512 block size in any case. I had been trying it with the
    >> parity jumper on because the manual says that this is the position for
    >> DEC workstation mode. With the jumper off I found that it works, but the
    >> manual says that this is DEC PC mode. Oh well. Now I just need to check
    >> that it will actually boot off the drive too.
    >>

    >
    > if conventional wisdom fails I'd also
    > check "trivial" things like the SCSI bus itself.
    > In particular I found that the pins of this proprietary
    > external connector may easily be twisted.
    > VAXstations seem to be picky which CD drive they
    > accept to boot off. RRD's should work, however
    > (I succeeded with a RRD40), but maybe an RRD43 is "too new" ?
    > A list of CDROMs which might also work is here:
    >
    > http://sites.inka.de/pcde/help/dec-cdrom-list.txt
    >


    You are right, the RRD43 seems to be too new, I tried booting from it today
    and it did not work, despite the fact that I can use it from VMS. The list
    you point to is great, but implies that a 3100 will boot off an RRD43, which
    I now know to be incorrect. I am still on the lookout for an RRD42 (I
    borrowed one and I know it will boot off this) or an RRD40.

    Thanks

    Rob



  8. Re: RRD43-AA Problem

    Robert Jarratt schrieb:

    >
    > You are right, the RRD43 seems to be too new, I tried booting from it today
    > and it did not work, despite the fact that I can use it from VMS. The list
    > you point to is great, but implies that a 3100 will boot off an RRD43, which
    > I now know to be incorrect. I am still on the lookout for an RRD42 (I
    > borrowed one and I know it will boot off this) or an RRD40.
    >


    You may also watch out for a Sony CDU-561 (55 CA).
    DEC systems recognize it as a RRD42.


  9. Re: RRD43-AA Problem

    On Jun 25, 2:06 am, Michael Kraemer wrote:
    > Robert Jarratt schrieb:
    >
    >
    >
    > > You are right, the RRD43 seems to be too new, I tried booting from it today
    > > and it did not work, despite the fact that I can use it from VMS. The list
    > > you point to is great, but implies that a 3100 will boot off an RRD43, which
    > > I now know to be incorrect. I am still on the lookout for an RRD42 (I
    > > borrowed one and I know it will boot off this) or an RRD40.

    >
    > You may also watch out for a Sony CDU-561 (55 CA).
    > DEC systems recognize it as a RRD42.



    Its been forever and I don't have a working config right now, but I do
    know that my VS3100m76 systems were able to boot from 6x Plextor SCSI
    CDROM drives in the day. They also were happy with several different
    Toshiba 4x to 12x units and a Pioneer slot-drive DR-506S.

    My work system is a 1989 vintage VS3100 model 30 which has an RRD47
    connected to it, and can boot the VMS OS CD with no trouble. It came
    with an RRD40 (which died), then had an RRD42 (which died) before the
    current RRD47.


  10. Re: RRD43-AA Problem

    Just to confirm, the hobbyiest disk that I tried was OpenVMS 7.3. I
    was able to boot that and a CD-RW of OpenVMS 8.3 without problem using
    the Plextor drive


  11. Re: RRD43-AA Problem

    In article <1182931372.953405.224450@n60g2000hse.googlegroups. com>, urbancamo
    writes:
    > I recently tried to install OpenVMS 8.3 on a DECStation 3000/600 with


    to be nitpicking: such as beast does not exist, AFAIK :-)
    There's either a Mips-based DECstation 3100 running Ultrix
    or an alpha-based "DEC 3000/600 AXP" running VMS or DUX.

    > an RRD43 drive and could not boot the OpenVMS CDROM. I replaced it
    > with a Plextor drive and had no such problems.


    well, this confirms somehow my experience that it is sort of black
    magic whether the combination of machine/controller/drive/CD/OS
    works or not. I can't confirm Rich's overall good experience,
    I've seen CD drives work on one VAXstation and fail on the next one.
    The only practical solution for me is to stockpile enough old drives
    of different kind in the hope that at least one of it will do.
    It's even worse with "real" DECstations, they tend to accept nothing
    but original RRDs to boot Ultrix.

    > This was with an original OpenVMS hobbyiest CDROM, which appears to be
    > a professional pressed disk.


    Well, the one I got was burnt and turned out to be unreadable on
    any drive after a year or so.
    So don't think your home-burnt CDs are "safe", they aren't.


  12. Re: RRD43-AA Problem

    I recently tried to install OpenVMS 8.3 on a DECStation 3000/600 with
    an RRD43 drive and could not boot the OpenVMS CDROM. I replaced it
    with a Plextor drive and had no such problems.

    This was with an original OpenVMS hobbyiest CDROM, which appears to be
    a professional pressed disk.

    The DECStation was previously running tru64 5.0.

    The drive does not have a 512/2048 jumper, but does say the parity
    jumper is a DEC/PC mode switch.

    I've also found Pioneer drives are generally pretty good.

    Mark.


  13. Re: RRD43-AA Problem

    In article , m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer) writes:
    >
    > to be nitpicking: such as beast does not exist, AFAIK :-)
    > There's either a Mips-based DECstation 3100 running Ultrix
    > or an alpha-based "DEC 3000/600 AXP" running VMS or DUX.


    A DEC 3000 Model 600 with a graphics controller was marketed as
    a DECStation.

    >


  14. Re: RRD43-AA Problem

    In article ,
    koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:
    >
    > A DEC 3000 Model 600 with a graphics controller was marketed as
    > a DECStation.
    >


    All technical manuals I've seen so far refer to those machines as

    DEC 3000 Model xxx AXP

    (or permutations thereof), no matter if they have gfx or not.
    The true DECstations are always referenced as such.
    Of course, under the hood they aren't that much different,
    both have turbochannel, need that weird keyboard/mouse splitter,
    and the early versions of OSF/1 appeared like Ultrix to me.

  15. Re: RRD43-AA Problem

    > All technical manuals I've seen so far refer to those machines as
    >
    > DEC 3000 Model xxx AXP


    My manual, to be exact, uses the phrase: DEC 3000 Model 600/600S AXP

    I stand corrected. By the way, in case anyone is any doubt, the PMDG-
    BA graphics card is still supported in 2D mode in OpenVMS 8.3.

    Regards,

    Mark.


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