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I have a VAXstation 3100 M38. I also have a VT220 (with keyboard!), but no
monitor. I will access the machine using Telnet (and DECWindows when I work
out how to do it) from my PC, so I don't want to leave the VT220 powered on
just to keep the VAXstation up and running, I want to avoid using power and
avoid screen burn. Is there a way to make the VAXstation headless?
Thanks
Rob
In article <o4dbi.9788$E9.4096@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>,
Robert Jarratt <nospam@nosp.am> wrote:[color=blue]
>I have a VAXstation 3100 M38. I also have a VT220 (with keyboard!), but no
>monitor. I will access the machine using Telnet (and DECWindows when I work
>out how to do it) from my PC, so I don't want to leave the VT220 powered on
>just to keep the VAXstation up and running, I want to avoid using power and
>avoid screen burn. Is there a way to make the VAXstation headless?
>
>Thanks
>
>Rob
>
>[/color]
Set the dip switch to run with a serial console.
Just turn off the VT220 when you're not using it or use a serial cable
from the PC to the VaxStation. The VaxStation will still run.
Bill
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> Set the dip switch to run with a serial console.
> Just turn off the VT220 when you're not using it or use a serial cable
> from the PC to the VaxStation. The VaxStation will still run.
>
> Bill
> --
> --
> d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN. Don't you wish you could still buy it now!
> pechter-at-ureachtechnologies.com[/color]
Unfortunately I think I am already doing this. I have the S3 Alternate
Console switch in the UP position and the VT200 connected to the printer
port. After I have booted the box, if I switch the VT220 off it halts the
system. Is there something wrong with what I am doing?
Thanks
Rob
In article <XDgbi.27$aF6.11@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>, "Robert Jarratt" <nospam@nosp.am> writes:[color=blue]
>Unfortunately I think I am already doing this. I have the S3 Alternate
>Console switch in the UP position and the VT200 connected to the printer
>port. After I have booted the box, if I switch the VT220 off it halts the
>system. Is there something wrong with what I am doing?[/color]
Likely. Obviously the turnoff (or later the power-on selftest) sends a BREAK
signal which means "enter console mode" (with the dead sergeant prompt ">>>")
while other VAXes have ^P for this.
Try to disconnect the VT200 datacable before turning off (but I'm afraid
this won't help either - maybe a very slow voltage drop could help ;-)
You can enter ">>> C" (continue) to resume the VAX, but this isn't really
a fix for your problem
--
Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
Network and OpenVMS system specialist
E-mail [email]peter@langstoeger.at[/email]
A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist
In article <o4dbi.9788$E9.4096@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>, "Robert Jarratt"
<nospam@nosp.am> writes:
[color=blue]
> I have a VAXstation 3100 M38. I also have a VT220 (with keyboard!), but no
> monitor. I will access the machine using Telnet (and DECWindows when I work
> out how to do it) from my PC, so I don't want to leave the VT220 powered on
> just to keep the VAXstation up and running, I want to avoid using power and
> avoid screen burn. Is there a way to make the VAXstation headless?[/color]
Isn't the VT220 power consumption just a fraction of that of the
VAXstation? You can turn down (completely) the brightness to avoid
screen burn.
I've seen some VAXes which could run without a console, but not boot
without a console (whereas, I think, (most?) ALPHAs can). This might be
an issue depending on whether an automatic reboot is needed.
On 2007-06-11, Robert Jarratt <nospam@nosp.am> wrote:[color=blue]
> I have a VAXstation 3100 M38. I also have a VT220 (with keyboard!), but no
> monitor. I will access the machine using Telnet (and DECWindows when I work
> out how to do it) from my PC, so I don't want to leave the VT220 powered on
> just to keep the VAXstation up and running, I want to avoid using power and
> avoid screen burn. Is there a way to make the VAXstation headless?[/color]
You could try flipping S3 so it uses the graphics console and plugging
the keyboard from your VT220 into the VAXstation.
--
roger ivie
[email]rivie@ridgenet.net[/email]
Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote:[color=blue]
> Try to disconnect the VT200 datacable before turning off (but I'm afraid
> this won't help either - maybe a very slow voltage drop could help ;-)[/color]
I did this regularly with my MV3800M38. Just pull out the
terminal plug before switching off the terminal.
Wolfgang
"Wolfgang Rupp" <spamtrap@coredump.at> wrote in message
news:5d5nuqF333mpjU1@mid.individual.net...[color=blue]
> Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote:[color=green]
>> Try to disconnect the VT200 datacable before turning off (but I'm afraid
>> this won't help either - maybe a very slow voltage drop could help ;-)[/color]
>
> I did this regularly with my MV3800M38. Just pull out the
> terminal plug before switching off the terminal.
>
> Wolfgang
>[/color]
I have just tried this and it worked perfectly, thanks very much.
Rob
"Roger Ivie" <rivie@ridgenet.net> wrote in message
news:slrnf6r8sh.l1i.rivie@stench.no.domain...[color=blue]
> On 2007-06-11, Robert Jarratt <nospam@nosp.am> wrote:[color=green]
>> I have a VAXstation 3100 M38. I also have a VT220 (with keyboard!), but
>> no
>> monitor. I will access the machine using Telnet (and DECWindows when I
>> work
>> out how to do it) from my PC, so I don't want to leave the VT220 powered
>> on
>> just to keep the VAXstation up and running, I want to avoid using power
>> and
>> avoid screen burn. Is there a way to make the VAXstation headless?[/color]
>
> You could try flipping S3 so it uses the graphics console and plugging
> the keyboard from your VT220 into the VAXstation.
> --
> roger ivie
> [email]rivie@ridgenet.net[/email][/color]
I have tried the other solution posted to this group which worked. For
completeness I will also try this next time I boot the machine.
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Robert Jarratt wrote:
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> Try to disconnect the VT200 datacable before turning off (but I'm afraid
> >> this won't help either - maybe a very slow voltage drop could help ;-)[/color]
> >
> > I did this regularly with my MV3800M38. Just pull out the
> > terminal plug before switching off the terminal.
> >
> > Wolfgang
> >[/color]
>
> I have just tried this and it worked perfectly, thanks very much.[/color]
And the explanation is: BREAK is a serial line condition where the
receive signal is forced low continuously by the remote end, whereas when
left floating the receive signal is pulled high locally.
Maciej
Robert Jarratt wrote:[color=blue]
>[color=green]
> > Set the dip switch to run with a serial console.
> > Just turn off the VT220 when you're not using it or use a serial cable
> > from the PC to the VaxStation. The VaxStation will still run.
> >
> > Bill
> > --
> > --
> > d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN. Don't you wish you could still buy it now!
> > pechter-at-ureachtechnologies.com[/color]
>
> Unfortunately I think I am already doing this. I have the S3 Alternate
> Console switch in the UP position and the VT200 connected to the printer
> port. After I have booted the box, if I switch the VT220 off it halts the
> system. Is there something wrong with what I am doing?[/color]
VT220 should have a built-in screen saver (blanks the screen after 30 minutes);
however, it comes back on when data is received (like OPCOM messages). You could
just turn the brightness way down...
Unfortunately, this is the "normal" behavior. On power down, the terminal sends
a serial "break" which brings the VAX back to the console prompt. I thought
there was a way to disable that, but I don't the manuals for one.
I believe someone here or in comp.os.vms may know how to remove the graphics
from the VAXstation and turn it into a MicroVAX. This may change some license
unit requirements, but that might work in your favor, I think.
--
David J Dachtera
dba DJE Systems
[url]http://www.djesys.com/[/url]
Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page
[url]http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/[/url]
Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:
[url]http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/[/url]
Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:
[url]http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/[/url]
Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:
[url]http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/[/url]
David J Dachtera wrote:[color=blue]
> Robert Jarratt wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Set the dip switch to run with a serial console.
>>> Just turn off the VT220 when you're not using it or use a serial cable
>>> from the PC to the VaxStation. The VaxStation will still run.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>> --
>>> --
>>> d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN. Don't you wish you could still buy it now!
>>> pechter-at-ureachtechnologies.com[/color]
>> Unfortunately I think I am already doing this. I have the S3 Alternate
>> Console switch in the UP position and the VT200 connected to the printer
>> port. After I have booted the box, if I switch the VT220 off it halts the
>> system. Is there something wrong with what I am doing?[/color]
>
> VT220 should have a built-in screen saver (blanks the screen after 30 minutes);
> however, it comes back on when data is received (like OPCOM messages). You could
> just turn the brightness way down...
>
> Unfortunately, this is the "normal" behavior. On power down, the terminal sends
> a serial "break" which brings the VAX back to the console prompt. I thought
> there was a way to disable that, but I don't the manuals for one.
>
> I believe someone here or in comp.os.vms may know how to remove the graphics
> from the VAXstation and turn it into a MicroVAX. This may change some license
> unit requirements, but that might work in your favor, I think.[/color]
IIRC, this request was for a VAXstation 3100. AFAIK, you can NOT turn
this into a MicroVAX. The MicroVAX 3100 is different than the
VAXstation 3100.
What you can do is either have an LK201 connected to the VAXstation 3100
or not. If a keyboard is connected, VMS sees it (and licenses it) as a
VAXstation 3100.
Without a keyboard, VMS sees it as a VAXserver 3100.
For a VAXstation 3100, this is independent of the setting of S3.
One way to keep the machine from going into console mode when the VT220
is powered off is to put a terminal server between the VT220 and the
machine. While this is an extra piece of hardware, if you have multiple
machines it can be very handy.
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"Roger Ivie" <rivie@ridgenet.net> wrote in message
news:slrnf6r8sh.l1i.rivie@stench.no.domain...[color=blue]
> On 2007-06-11, Robert Jarratt <nospam@nosp.am> wrote:[color=green]
>> I have a VAXstation 3100 M38. I also have a VT220 (with keyboard!), but
>> no
>> monitor. I will access the machine using Telnet (and DECWindows when I
>> work
>> out how to do it) from my PC, so I don't want to leave the VT220 powered
>> on
>> just to keep the VAXstation up and running, I want to avoid using power
>> and
>> avoid screen burn. Is there a way to make the VAXstation headless?[/color]
>
> You could try flipping S3 so it uses the graphics console and plugging
> the keyboard from your VT220 into the VAXstation.
> --
> roger ivie
> [email]rivie@ridgenet.net[/email][/color]
I tried this today and it worked just fine. The odd thing is that I expected
this to cause me a licensing problem, because I installed VMS when using the
alternate console, which I believe makes it a VAXserver, but set up in this
way I understand makes it a VAXstation. Can anyone suggest why I might not
have licensing issues as a result of this change?
Thanks
Rob
Robert Jarratt wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "Roger Ivie" <rivie@ridgenet.net> wrote in message
> news:slrnf6r8sh.l1i.rivie@stench.no.domain...[color=green]
> > On 2007-06-11, Robert Jarratt <nospam@nosp.am> wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> I have a VAXstation 3100 M38. I also have a VT220 (with keyboard!), but
> >> no
> >> monitor. I will access the machine using Telnet (and DECWindows when I
> >> work
> >> out how to do it) from my PC, so I don't want to leave the VT220 powered
> >> on
> >> just to keep the VAXstation up and running, I want to avoid using power
> >> and
> >> avoid screen burn. Is there a way to make the VAXstation headless?[/color]
> >
> > You could try flipping S3 so it uses the graphics console and plugging
> > the keyboard from your VT220 into the VAXstation.
> > --
> > roger ivie
> > [email]rivie@ridgenet.net[/email][/color]
>
> I tried this today and it worked just fine. The odd thing is that I expected
> this to cause me a licensing problem, because I installed VMS when using the
> alternate console, which I believe makes it a VAXserver, but set up in this
> way I understand makes it a VAXstation. Can anyone suggest why I might not
> have licensing issues as a result of this change?[/color]
VAXserver license unit requirements are higher than for a VAXstation.
"Downgrading" would leave you "over-licensed", not under.
--
David J Dachtera
dba DJE Systems
[url]http://www.djesys.com/[/url]
Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page
[url]http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/[/url]
Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:
[url]http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/[/url]
Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:
[url]http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/[/url]
Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:
[url]http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/[/url]
Robert Jarratt wrote:[color=blue]
> "Roger Ivie" <rivie@ridgenet.net> wrote in message
> news:slrnf6r8sh.l1i.rivie@stench.no.domain...[color=green]
>> On 2007-06-11, Robert Jarratt <nospam@nosp.am> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> I have a VAXstation 3100 M38. I also have a VT220 (with keyboard!), but
>>> no
>>> monitor. I will access the machine using Telnet (and DECWindows when I
>>> work
>>> out how to do it) from my PC, so I don't want to leave the VT220 powered
>>> on
>>> just to keep the VAXstation up and running, I want to avoid using power
>>> and
>>> avoid screen burn. Is there a way to make the VAXstation headless?[/color]
>> You could try flipping S3 so it uses the graphics console and plugging
>> the keyboard from your VT220 into the VAXstation.
>> --
>> roger ivie
>> [email]rivie@ridgenet.net[/email][/color]
>
> I tried this today and it worked just fine. The odd thing is that I expected
> this to cause me a licensing problem, because I installed VMS when using the
> alternate console, which I believe makes it a VAXserver, but set up in this
> way I understand makes it a VAXstation. Can anyone suggest why I might not
> have licensing issues as a result of this change?
>
> Thanks
>
> Rob[/color]
For a 3100, The VAXstation/VAXserver distinction does not depend on the
setting of S3.
If a keyboard is directly connected to the unit, it is a VAXstation
3100. If no keyboard is connected (or if the keyboard is faulty), it is
a VAXserver 3100.
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Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.
Voice: 817-237-3360 Internet: [email]chris@applied-synergy.com[/email]
Fax: 817-237-3074