USSR Gold Ceramic Clones of DEC PDP-11
On Dec 22 2006, 12:31 pm, b...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:[color=blue]
> In article <1166817985.184860.16...@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>,
> bob.bi...@gmail.com writes:
> > Bill Gunshannon wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> In article <emgtrg$aj...@panix2.panix.com>,
> >> klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
> >> > <jmfbah...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >>> Who owns the rights to those dozen words?[/color][/color]
> >> >>Which ones of those dozen words? Are you talking about the
> >> >>EXE file that resides on your disk? ARe you talking about the
> >> >>source that generates the EXE after LINKing and SAVEing?[/color][/color]
> >> > I'm talking about the 12 word bootstrap that you have to toggle into
> >> > the panel to load from media. Are those 12 words copyrighted by DEC,
> >> > and if so, how are they licensed? That's software too. A very short
> >> > piece, but it's still software.[/color][/color]
> >> Most of the ones I have are a bit more than 12 words. I am sure that
> >> the ones contained in things like the RT-11 Pocket Guide are technically
> >> copyrighted as a part of the book but being as there is really no other
> >> way to boot from one of these devices I doubt they can stop anyone from
> >> using them. Nor, I imagine would anyone want to. Afterall, they are
> >> published works.[/color][/color]
> > A bootstrap as copyright property ? You gotta be kidding !The question was, "Is it copyrighted?". The answer is yes. Don't blame[/color]
> me, I am not the one who signed us up to the Berne convention (I mistakenly
> said Basel in an earlier post). Everything created is now automatically
> copyrighted. But you ignored the point I made about it being published
> which means you are free to use it. Of course, you could always write
> your own, but it would end being nearly if not exactly the same. :-)
> > I'm sure China and India IT types must be laughing their butts off
> > at these postings, as they copy OS's and IP by the thousands
> > everyday.Yeah, well they copy DVD's and music CD's and anything else they can[/color]
> steal so I doubt they even care.
> > Or how much revenue did DEC receive, during the cold war, as
> > Russia or Eastern Europe countries cloned DEC products by the
> > Thousands ?Actually, they bought more than they cloned. Did you ever see the[/color]
> Russian clone of the Apple II. It took up the whole top of a desk
> just for the CPU box. And the Z80 was cloned by using industrial
> espionage to get copies of the real chip masks from Zilog. They
> were never bright enough or ambitious enough to truly "clone" anything.[/color]
Never "bright enuff to clone anything, eh?"
How about these three PDP-11 clone chips the
Ruskies are selling on Ebay?
"......1801VM1,2,3 CPUs USSR Gold Ceramic
Clones of DEC PDP-11
Item number: 120080129559
3pcs. different 1801 USSR Gold Ceramic
Clone DEC PDP-11
Auction of 3 rare USSR CPUs:
K1801VM1 in Gold Pink Ceramic Planal 42-pin body
(Angstrem plant, 1989)
KM1801VM2 in Gold Ceramic Silver top 40-pin body
(Angstrem plant, 1991)
KM1801VM3 in Gold ceramic Gold top 64-pin body
(Angstrem plant, 1988).."
Scroll down the page on Ebay and this is one of the better
descriptions/history of DEC clone behind the iron curtain
I ever read.
Says they shipped "hundreds of thousands" of these
Man the DEC newsgroup DEC IP police better hop to it
and warn these guys, like you do the young DEC
> > Trying to "pussify" young DEC collectors for licensing fees on old
> > DEC products. Give me a break.Hey, the law is the law. And morals don't change because someone sees[/color]
> the product as old.
> > As best you can, young collectors should know there is an alternative,
> > Successful, commonly used risky method, and that is to follow the
> > Chinese, India, Russian and Eastern Europe models. It's "do what
> > you need
> > to do", accumulate profits, then later, if needed, hire the ambulance
> > chasers
> > and slog thru the boring, illogical, never ending IP arguments .[/color]
> > The "pussification of the silicon valley" as detailed in the old
> > "Upside"
> > article, has now spread to newsgroups and everywhere in the IT world.
> > If it's not politically correct, than it's illegal or a violation
> > of someone's
> > IP rights. Give me a break.[/color]
> > Take me back to the 1960/70's......The only difference int hese matters between then and now is then people[/color]
> had the moral gumption to not steal other people's property.
> Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves
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