On Sat, 27 May 2006 22:36:44 UTC, Marc Schlensog
wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I was wondering, if a LK46W would function on a bread and butter PC or
> would I have to risk essential parts, like a fried PS/2-port?
>
> TIA,
>
> Marc

Dunno about the LK46W but I'm typing this on a LK411 plugged into a
PC. It's running OS/2 at the moment but WinNT, W2k, W98 and Linux all
work). I know no reason why the LK46W shouldn't and believe a quick
Google will provide confirmation if you don't want to take the risk.

--
Cheers - Dave.

In article <20060528003644.af07dc39.fishtank@web.de>, Marc Schlensog writes:
>I was wondering, if a LK46W would function on a bread and butter PC or
>would I have to risk essential parts, like a fried PS/2-port?

No problem expected. But why do you want to use (about) $99 keyboard on a PC?
If you don't own an Alpha, sell the LK46W, and buy a $3 PC kbd instead ;-)

--
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Network and OpenVMS system specialist
E-mail peter@langstoeger.at
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On 28 May 2006 10:18:03 -0200
peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote:

> In article <20060528003644.af07dc39.fishtank@web.de>, Marc Schlensog
> writes:
> >I was wondering, if a LK46W would function on a bread and butter PC
> >or would I have to risk essential parts, like a fried PS/2-port?
>
> No problem expected. But why do you want to use (about) $99 keyboard
> on a PC? If you don't own an Alpha, sell the LK46W, and buy a $3 PC
> kbd instead ;-)

I hope not having to pay $99 for it ;-) I still have my DS20E sitting in
a corner, lacking the second power supply. So there might be a time,
when this keyboard gets a proper use again. Apart from that it's just
for the fun of it.

Marc

There is something to be said for using a decent quality keyboard with a
pleasant touch. The $3 keyboards suck. The lettering on the keys wears off.
The touch is mushy. The feel is cheap plastic, which is what they are.

Me? I use the IBM 101-key clicky-click keyboard introduced in 1986 or 1987
with the later model IBM PC AT. They'll have to pry my IBM keyboard from my
hands to stuff my body into the coffin... Ben Myers

On 28 May 2006 10:18:03 -0200, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)
wrote:

>In article <20060528003644.af07dc39.fishtank@web.de>, Marc Schlensog writes:
>>I was wondering, if a LK46W would function on a bread and butter PC or
>>would I have to risk essential parts, like a fried PS/2-port?
>
>No problem expected. But why do you want to use (about) $99 keyboard on a PC?
>If you don't own an Alpha, sell the LK46W, and buy a $3 PC kbd instead ;-)

Marc Schlensog writes:

> I was wondering, if a LK46W would function on a bread and butter PC or
> would I have to risk essential parts, like a fried PS/2-port?

When I work from home (which is roughly twice a week), I've used an LK46W-A2
on various PC's for the past six+ years with no problem. I use the
Powerterm emulator that comes with Pathworks. The only difference between
working on a PC at home vs. an Alphastation at work is that the emulator
does not (by default) map the "<" and ">" characters to the key immediately
to the left of the "z" key -- it does correctly map those characters to
SHIFT/, and SHIFT/.

--

Rob Brooks VMS Engineering -- Exec Group brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com

Thanks to all who have replied. I'm still without an LK46W, but at
least I know that I can go for one as soon as the opportunity to get
one arises again.

Marc

Marc Schlensog wrote:

> I'm still without an LK46W, but at
> least I know that I can go for one as soon as the opportunity to get
> one arises again.

The LK463 is the current generation keyboard. USB, and PS/2 DIN via
provided dongle.

The LK46W was a frost-white variant of the LK461 series, both with
PS/2 DINs.

Personal opinion: the frost-white color really shows the smudges.
The black (LK463) looks much nicer.

In article <6P3fg.1259$um4.1077@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff Hoffman writes:
>
>
>Marc Schlensog wrote:
>
>> I'm still without an LK46W, but at
>> least I know that I can go for one as soon as the opportunity to get
>> one arises again.
>
> The LK463 is the current generation keyboard. USB, and PS/2 DIN via
>provided dongle.
>
> The LK46W was a frost-white variant of the LK461 series, both with
>PS/2 DINs.
>
> Personal opinion: the frost-white color really shows the smudges.
>The black (LK463) looks much nicer.

Didn't you read the sign in the ZKO washroom? All employees must wash
their hands before returning to their LK46Ws.

--
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"Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"

On Wed, 31 May 2006 08:30:17 -0700, VAXman- <@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:

> In article <6P3fg.1259$um4.1077@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff Hoffman
> writes:
>>
>>
>> Marc Schlensog wrote:
>>
>>> I'm still without an LK46W, but at
>>> least I know that I can go for one as soon as the opportunity to get
>>> one arises again.
>>
>> The LK463 is the current generation keyboard. USB, and PS/2 DIN via
>> provided dongle.
>>
>> The LK46W was a frost-white variant of the LK461 series, both with
>> PS/2 DINs.
>>
>> Personal opinion: the frost-white color really shows the smudges.
>> The black (LK463) looks much nicer.
>
> Didn't you read the sign in the ZKO washroom? All employees must wash
> their hands before returning to their LK46Ws.
>
As an aside, I have a Digital LK97W which I think came with a XL266 about
ten years ago (my first adventure with Microsoft) and I really like the
kybd.
Noticing how filthy it was yesterday, I decide to clean it up, This unlike
some other kybds (e.g. LK401) has a set of 9 screws underneath which
allow
the top to be easily removed exposing the membranes. Placing this in my
Miele
returned a pristine kybd. Also have an almost identical one with the
Compaq
logo, 247430, which is due for a bath, but this has a split space bar with
the
left half being a destructive backspace. Never saw the utility of this.

On Wed, 31 May 2006 16:32:45 UTC, "Tom LINDEN" wrote:

> On Wed, 31 May 2006 08:30:17 -0700, VAXman- <@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:
>
> > In article <6P3fg.1259$um4.1077@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff Hoffman
> > writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> Marc Schlensog wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm still without an LK46W, but at
> >>> least I know that I can go for one as soon as the opportunity to get
> >>> one arises again.
> >>
> >> The LK463 is the current generation keyboard. USB, and PS/2 DIN via
> >> provided dongle.
> >>
> >> The LK46W was a frost-white variant of the LK461 series, both with
> >> PS/2 DINs.
> >>
> >> Personal opinion: the frost-white color really shows the smudges.
> >> The black (LK463) looks much nicer.
> >
> > Didn't you read the sign in the ZKO washroom? All employees must wash
> > their hands before returning to their LK46Ws.
> >
> As an aside, I have a Digital LK97W which I think came with a XL266 about
> ten years ago (my first adventure with Microsoft) and I really like the
> kybd.
> Noticing how filthy it was yesterday, I decide to clean it up, This unlike
> some other kybds (e.g. LK401) has a set of 9 screws underneath which
> allow
> the top to be easily removed exposing the membranes. Placing this in my
> Miele
> returned a pristine kybd. Also have an almost identical one with the
> Compaq
> logo, 247430, which is due for a bath, but this has a split space bar with
> the

Wasn't there a report of someone using a dishwasher to clean their
keyboard some while ago? ISTR differing measures of success when the
experiment was repeated...

Oh Oh! Proofread again and 'Hang on - a Miele _is_ a dishwashing
machine..."

Sorry lost the Miele on first read. Top quality kit from Sttuttgart!

--
Cheers - Dave.

Does the Miele have any special properties that make it good for keyboard
washing? Will any old dishwasher do? What are the dishwasher settings?
What is the maximum temperature of the dishwasher's drying cycle? Does one use
detergent, or not?

Oh, the questions abound. In the meantime, I use isopropyl alcohol, q-tips, a
cotton cloth and compressed air to clean up keyboards... Ben Myers

On 2 Jun 2006 07:04:13 +0100, "Dave Weatherall"
wrote:

>On Wed, 31 May 2006 16:32:45 UTC, "Tom LINDEN" wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 31 May 2006 08:30:17 -0700, VAXman- <@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:
>>
>> > In article <6P3fg.1259$um4.1077@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff Hoffman
>> > writes:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Marc Schlensog wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I'm still without an LK46W, but at
>> >>> least I know that I can go for one as soon as the opportunity to get
>> >>> one arises again.
>> >>
>> >> The LK463 is the current generation keyboard. USB, and PS/2 DIN via
>> >> provided dongle.
>> >>
>> >> The LK46W was a frost-white variant of the LK461 series, both with
>> >> PS/2 DINs.
>> >>
>> >> Personal opinion: the frost-white color really shows the smudges.
>> >> The black (LK463) looks much nicer.
>> >
>> > Didn't you read the sign in the ZKO washroom? All employees must wash
>> > their hands before returning to their LK46Ws.
>> >
>> As an aside, I have a Digital LK97W which I think came with a XL266 about
>> ten years ago (my first adventure with Microsoft) and I really like the
>> kybd.
>> Noticing how filthy it was yesterday, I decide to clean it up, This unlike
>> some other kybds (e.g. LK401) has a set of 9 screws underneath which
>> allow
>> the top to be easily removed exposing the membranes. Placing this in my
>> Miele
>> returned a pristine kybd. Also have an almost identical one with the
>> Compaq
>> logo, 247430, which is due for a bath, but this has a split space bar with
>> the
>
>Wasn't there a report of someone using a dishwasher to clean their
>keyboard some while ago? ISTR differing measures of success when the
>experiment was repeated...
>
>Oh Oh! Proofread again and 'Hang on - a Miele _is_ a dishwashing
>machine..."
>
>Sorry lost the Miele on first read. Top quality kit from Sttuttgart!

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 05:50:41 -0700, Ben Myers charter.net> wrote:

> Does the Miele have any special properties that make it good for keyboard
> washing? Will any old dishwasher do? What are the dishwasher
> settings?
> What is the maximum temperature of the dishwasher's drying cycle? Does
> one use
> detergent, or not?
> Oh, the questions abound. In the meantime, I use isopropyl alcohol,
> q-tips, a
> cotton cloth and compressed air to clean up keyboards... Ben Myers

I have been doing this for many years. Normal settings are fine. The kybd
I mentioned is particularly amenable to such cleaning. I have had other
kybds
where I had to take out all the keys put them in the silverware hopper and
subsequently reinsert. Once you have the kybd apart you may wish to clean
the
mylar films, if you had, for example, spilt coke or chardonay on it. You
can
do this gently with sponge, you don't want to ruin the conductive caotings

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On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:50:41 -0400
Ben Myers wrote:

> Does the Miele have any special properties that make it good for
> keyboard washing? Will any old dishwasher do? What are the
> dishwasher settings? What is the maximum temperature of the
> dishwasher's drying cycle? Does one use detergent, or not?
>
> Oh, the questions abound. In the meantime, I use isopropyl alcohol,
> q-tips, a cotton cloth and compressed air to clean up keyboards...

In days of yonder (when the only blogs were columns in magazines like
Byte) Jerry Pournelle wrote that he took his keyboards with him in the
shower.

--
Stefaan A Eeckels
--
"Object-oriented programming is an exceptionally bad idea which
could only have originated in California." --Edsger Dijkstra

Probably under duress. Who would want to shower with Jerry? The thought
repels me... Ben

On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:23:21 +0200, Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:50:41 -0400
>Ben Myers wrote:
>
>> Does the Miele have any special properties that make it good for
>> keyboard washing? Will any old dishwasher do? What are the
>> dishwasher settings? What is the maximum temperature of the
>> dishwasher's drying cycle? Does one use detergent, or not?
>>
>> Oh, the questions abound. In the meantime, I use isopropyl alcohol,
>> q-tips, a cotton cloth and compressed air to clean up keyboards...
>
>In days of yonder (when the only blogs were columns in magazines like
>Byte) Jerry Pournelle wrote that he took his keyboards with him in the
>shower.
>
>--
>Stefaan A Eeckels

Ben Myers wrote:

> Probably under duress. Who would want to shower with Jerry? The thought
> repels me... Ben

Ah, someone else who has met Jerry. :-)

Thirty seconds after being introduced to my bride-to-be, he
managed to insult her to the extent that she declared, "That
man will never set foot in my house."

Alan

I wouldn't even want to touch a keyboard that had showered with Jerry. No
telling what sort of unnatural acts he would have committed with it. He is a
totally obnoxious blowbag full of hot air and full of himself, much like the
political pundits and commentators that darken our American TV screens nowadays.

Read some of his drivel useless written for Byte. Managed to NOT read most of
it. Seen him in action at Comdex in Las Vegas several times some years ago.

.... Ben

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:56:23 -0700, Alan Frisbie
wrote:

>Ben Myers wrote:
>
>> Probably under duress. Who would want to shower with Jerry? The thought
>> repels me... Ben
>
>Ah, someone else who has met Jerry. :-)
>
>Thirty seconds after being introduced to my bride-to-be, he
>managed to insult her to the extent that she declared, "That
>man will never set foot in my house."
>
>Alan