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  1. DECserver 90M info

    I just received a DECserver 90M to play with and am having trouble
    finding information for it.

    DNPG seems to have taken down the DSRVH-OM.PDF file. I would appreciate
    suggestions as to where to find this file.

    Also, when booting, it asks for MNENG2.SYS as a load file. It downloads
    the one on my system (with a 22-NOV-2000 date), but seems to go dead
    once it has it. What date/version of this file does it need?

    Of course, the owner's manual may answer the second question once I
    solve the first question.

    Thanx!


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  2. Re: DECserver 90M info

    [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

    Chris Scheers spake the secret code
    <4alo69Ftsc9iU1@individual.net> thusly:

    >I just received a DECserver 90M to play with and am having trouble
    >finding information for it.



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  3. Re: DECserver 90M info

    [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

    Oops, sorry, I see that the manx entry takes you to a link that is
    dead :-(.
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  4. Re: DECserver 90M info

    [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

    Good news, found the manual on the wayback machine:

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  5. Re: DECserver 90M info

    In article <4alo69Ftsc9iU1@individual.net>, Chris Scheers writes:
    >I just received a DECserver 90M to play with and am having trouble
    >finding information for it.
    >
    >DNPG seems to have taken down the DSRVH-OM.PDF file. I would appreciate
    >suggestions as to where to find this file.
    >
    >Also, when booting, it asks for MNENG2.SYS as a load file. It downloads
    >the one on my system (with a 22-NOV-2000 date), but seems to go dead
    >once it has it. What date/version of this file does it need?


    It does go dead, it starts to decompress the load file.
    It takes 5min(!) to decompress and start the load.
    Be patient, or use the (uncompressed) MNENG3.SYS.
    OTOH, you need a bigger flash (2MB instead of 1MB) for the MNENG3 in the flash.
    But for booting over the network this is no problem.

    To enter the console mode press ^B^B during the boot.

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  6. Re: DECserver 90M info

    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:
    > In article <4alo69Ftsc9iU1@individual.net>, Chris Scheers writes:
    >> I just received a DECserver 90M to play with and am having trouble
    >> finding information for it.
    >>
    >> DNPG seems to have taken down the DSRVH-OM.PDF file. I would appreciate
    >> suggestions as to where to find this file.
    >>
    >> Also, when booting, it asks for MNENG2.SYS as a load file. It downloads
    >> the one on my system (with a 22-NOV-2000 date), but seems to go dead
    >> once it has it. What date/version of this file does it need?

    >
    > It does go dead, it starts to decompress the load file.
    > It takes 5min(!) to decompress and start the load.
    > Be patient, or use the (uncompressed) MNENG3.SYS.
    > OTOH, you need a bigger flash (2MB instead of 1MB) for the MNENG3 in the flash.
    > But for booting over the network this is no problem.
    >
    > To enter the console mode press ^B^B during the boot.



    Thanx for the response.

    Yes, I was just too impatient. If left alone long enough, it does come up.

    And I found the manual courtesy of www.archive.org.

    I have MNENG1 and MNENG2, but no MNENG3. If MNENG3 is just a
    decompressed MNENG2, is there a way for me to create it from MNENG2?

    Also, the owner's manual doesn't really discuss flash variants. Were
    there units sold with no flash? Once I get the 90M up and issue a SHOW
    MEMORY command, it tells me that there is no flash installed.

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  7. Re: DECserver 90M info

    In article <4447CAF6.3020002@applied-synergy.com>, Chris Scheers writes:
    >I have MNENG1 and MNENG2, but no MNENG3. If MNENG3 is just a
    >decompressed MNENG2, is there a way for me to create it from MNENG2?


    Not that I know of. But that doesn't mean anything...

    >Also, the owner's manual doesn't really discuss flash variants. Were
    >there units sold with no flash? Once I get the 90M up and issue a SHOW
    >MEMORY command, it tells me that there is no flash installed.


    Yes, there have been 0MB, 1MB and 2MB variants.

    Local> sh mem

    Dynamic RAM: 4 M bytes

    Non-Volatile RAM: 32 K bytes

    Flash RAM:
    Installed: Yes
    Total size: 2 M bytes
    Boot block: Valid
    Load Image:
    Name: MNENG3
    Size: 1615788 bytes
    Version: Network Access SW V2.4 BL50

    btw: Does anyone have a newer than V2.4 version?

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  8. Re: DECserver 90M info

    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:
    > In article <4447CAF6.3020002@applied-synergy.com>, Chris Scheers writes:
    >> I have MNENG1 and MNENG2, but no MNENG3. If MNENG3 is just a
    >> decompressed MNENG2, is there a way for me to create it from MNENG2?

    >
    > Not that I know of. But that doesn't mean anything...
    >
    >> Also, the owner's manual doesn't really discuss flash variants. Were
    >> there units sold with no flash? Once I get the 90M up and issue a SHOW
    >> MEMORY command, it tells me that there is no flash installed.

    >
    > Yes, there have been 0MB, 1MB and 2MB variants.


    Is the memory PCMCIA card memory like the DECserver 700s, or is it
    something else?

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  9. Re: DECserver 90M info

    Don't mail and post. Do one or the other...

    In article <44485A30.5050101@applied-synergy.com>, Chris Scheers writes:
    >Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:
    >> In article <4447CAF6.3020002@applied-synergy.com>, Chris Scheers writes:
    >>> I have MNENG1 and MNENG2, but no MNENG3. If MNENG3 is just a
    >>> decompressed MNENG2, is there a way for me to create it from MNENG2?

    >>
    >> Not that I know of. But that doesn't mean anything...
    >>
    >>> Also, the owner's manual doesn't really discuss flash variants. Were
    >>> there units sold with no flash? Once I get the 90M up and issue a SHOW
    >>> MEMORY command, it tells me that there is no flash installed.

    >>
    >> Yes, there have been 0MB, 1MB and 2MB variants.

    >
    >Is the memory PCMCIA card memory like the DECserver 700s, or is it
    >something else?


    You have a DS90M at hand. Does it have a slot for a PCMCIA card? No.
    Frankly, I don't know what and how the flash mem is. It is internal...

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    Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
    Network and OpenVMS system specialist
    E-mail peter@langstoeger.at
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  10. Re: DECserver 90M info

    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:
    > Don't mail and post. Do one or the other...
    >
    > In article <44485A30.5050101@applied-synergy.com>, Chris Scheers writes:
    >> Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:
    >>> In article <4447CAF6.3020002@applied-synergy.com>, Chris Scheers writes:
    >>>> I have MNENG1 and MNENG2, but no MNENG3. If MNENG3 is just a
    >>>> decompressed MNENG2, is there a way for me to create it from MNENG2?
    >>> Not that I know of. But that doesn't mean anything...
    >>>
    >>>> Also, the owner's manual doesn't really discuss flash variants. Were
    >>>> there units sold with no flash? Once I get the 90M up and issue a SHOW
    >>>> MEMORY command, it tells me that there is no flash installed.
    >>> Yes, there have been 0MB, 1MB and 2MB variants.

    >> Is the memory PCMCIA card memory like the DECserver 700s, or is it
    >> something else?

    >
    > You have a DS90M at hand. Does it have a slot for a PCMCIA card? No.
    > Frankly, I don't know what and how the flash mem is. It is internal...


    I was asking because I'm a bit hesitant to crack the box open. (I'll
    probably do it though, because I'm curious now. I'll let you know what
    I find.)

    Yes, it's internal, but it's internal on the DECserver 700s also. But
    they are easy to open.

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  11. Re: DECserver 90M info

    In article <4asnv6Fu9pgcU1@individual.net>, Chris Scheers writes:
    >I was asking because I'm a bit hesitant to crack the box open. (I'll
    >probably do it though, because I'm curious now. I'll let you know what
    >I find.)


    The easy part is the snapped in front bezel and the screw on the rear.
    The not that easy part is the snapped plastic ring around the side BNC.

    >Yes, it's internal, but it's internal on the DECserver 700s also. But
    >they are easy to open.


    Almost all is easy to open.
    The not so easy part is open without destruction ;-)

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  12. Re: DECserver 90M info

    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:
    > In article <4asnv6Fu9pgcU1@individual.net>, Chris Scheers writes:
    >> I was asking because I'm a bit hesitant to crack the box open. (I'll
    >> probably do it though, because I'm curious now. I'll let you know what
    >> I find.)

    >
    > The easy part is the snapped in front bezel and the screw on the rear.
    > The not that easy part is the snapped plastic ring around the side BNC.
    >
    >> Yes, it's internal, but it's internal on the DECserver 700s also. But
    >> they are easy to open.

    >
    > Almost all is easy to open.
    > The not so easy part is open without destruction ;-)


    OK, I opened it and checked. No PCMCIA slot like the DECserver 700.

    There is a connector which looks kind of like a disk drive SCA
    connector. It is not the same as an SCA connector. It is smaller, has
    fewer pins, and has contacts instead of pins.

    If anyone know what the FLASH that connects to this looks like, I would
    be curious.

    Thanx!

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    Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.

    Voice: 817-237-3360 Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com
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  13. Re: DECserver 90M info

    Chris Scheers wrote:
    > I just received a DECserver 90M to play with and am having trouble
    > finding information for it.
    >
    > DNPG seems to have taken down the DSRVH-OM.PDF file. I would appreciate
    > suggestions as to where to find this file.
    >
    > Also, when booting, it asks for MNENG2.SYS as a load file. It downloads
    > the one on my system (with a 22-NOV-2000 date), but seems to go dead
    > once it has it. What date/version of this file does it need?
    >
    > Of course, the owner's manual may answer the second question once I
    > solve the first question.
    >


    At a PPoE, I used to call our DECserver 90M... Auntie Em. Like
    on "The Wizard of Oz". It helped me remember the name 90M.

    It's okay if you want to call yours Auntie Em too. ;-)

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