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  1. Hello Again: HP Alpha Server and OS install

    The Model of the Server I have is the HP Alpha Server 800 5/333

    It is a 333mhz cpu and has 128mb memory with 2* 9.1G scsi drives and 1* 4G
    scsi drive.

    The BIOS identifies as 5.69 version and has the Options to install WinNT,
    OPENvms and True64.

    I have a copy of Windows NT 3.1 that I p2p'd and I burned it as an ISO. I
    ran a successful install on my desktop system as a test.

    The problem with the install seems to be:

    #1 Me (a total newb to anything other than recent Amd and Intel systems)

    #2 The BIOS/ARC/SRM

    #3 Me

    #4 Perhaps I should just get a copy of NT 4.0(is it a different build for
    Alpha?)

    #5 I can get into BIOS but have no idea what ARC and SRM is...and how to
    access them.

    #6 Using the "Install Windows NT" option in the BIOS it does not recognise
    my burned winNT 3.1 disk



    Upon an unsucessful attempt to install an OS, I will proceed to PLAN B.

    Target Practice with my .303

    Cheers





  2. Re: Hello Again: HP Alpha Server and OS install

    In article , "GM" writes:
    >The Model of the Server I have is the HP Alpha Server 800 5/333
    >
    >It is a 333mhz cpu and has 128mb memory with 2* 9.1G scsi drives and 1* 4G
    >scsi drive.


    A good system for OpenVMS ;-)

    >The BIOS identifies as 5.69 version and has the Options to install WinNT,
    >OPENvms and True64.


    OpenVMS, Tru64.
    And don't forget Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, VxWorks and so on

    Firmware for the AlphaServer 800 is located here

    http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha...ive/as800.html

    Its version is numbered after the SRM. V5.8 (which is the last version for
    the AS800) does contain ARC/AlphaBIOS V5.70 - so you could upgrade (but you
    don't need to as the only change seem to be for the KZPCC-CE RAID ctrl)...

    http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha...archive/as800/

    >I have a copy of Windows NT 3.1 that I p2p'd and I burned it as an ISO. I
    >ran a successful install on my desktop system as a test.


    Desktop ? You mean a WINTEL toy ?
    Binaries for INTEL and Alpha (and PowerPC and MIPS) are different of course.
    So that does not qualify as a test for a good/errorfree/working media...

    >The problem with the install seems to be:
    >
    >#1 Me (a total newb to anything other than recent Amd and Intel systems)


    Ok. Here is a good place to start.
    And if you are familiar with newsgroups you can RTF FAQ of this group
    and of the COMP.OS.VMS as well

    http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq/

    http://www.windows.digital.com/ was the original site but is no longer
    maybe http://www.alphant.com and some (very few) other sites will help you...

    >#2 The BIOS/ARC/SRM


    ARC is the "BIOS" (yes, with an INTEL binary compatible system) for use
    with M$ Windows NT (3.0, 3.1, 3.5, 3.51, 4.0 and 5.0RC1, 5.0RC2) and Linux.

    SRM is the console software for use with OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX (and others).

    >#3 Me


    Ask again, learn, and don't give up too early. And don't forget to try OpenVMS.

    >#4 Perhaps I should just get a copy of NT 4.0(is it a different build for
    >Alpha?)


    Yes, it is. But IIRC it was located on the same 4.0 CD in another directory.
    (with V5.0 RCx it was on another - IIRC MSDN - CD). And yes, start with V4.0

    >#5 I can get into BIOS but have no idea what ARC and SRM is...and how to
    >access them.


    ARC and AlphaBIOS is the same. SRM is a different console program.

    You can switch from SRM to ARC/AlphaBIOS with a >>>SET OS_TYPE NT
    (or something like that) and a repower of the system. And you can switch
    back from ARC/AlphaBIOS to SRM by some (sub or subsub) menu entry (use F2
    to enter the Setup Mode of ARC/AlphaBIOS) and again a repower of the system
    (factory default - or with an empty BIOS battery - seems to be ARC/AlphaBIOS).

    You may need to switch to SRM for an Alpha F/W upd but I'm not sure on that...

    >#6 Using the "Install Windows NT" option in the BIOS it does not recognise
    >my burned winNT 3.1 disk


    You need also the HAL CD first.
    I remember to have used 4 or 5 (HAL, Graphic and Sound Driver, and so on)
    different CDs and diskettes and only one of them was the original
    M$ WinNT 4.0 CD which I all got with my PWS433au (with a PowerStorm 4D50T)
    and also downloaded from the web because of newer versions.

    Better forget 3.1 alltogether. There you might not find a HAL now at all...

    And consider also, that older CD-ROM drives do not recognize self burned
    media (where current CD-ROMs have absolutely no problem with). Better try
    original CDs and/or a newer drives also...

    >Upon an unsucessful attempt to install an OS, I will proceed to PLAN B.


    Which is ? OpenVMS ? Fine...

    But modify Plan A to start with NT4 or NT5 RCx instead of V3.1 ...

    --
    Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
    Network and OpenVMS system specialist
    E-mail peter@langstoeger.at
    A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist

  3. Re: Hello Again: HP Alpha Server and OS install

    Freakin Amazing.

    Pete my boy... you deserve a big *Thumbs UP for your assistance.

    I had lost all hope for the European Continent until I read your response.

    Damn boy... you got good english.

    Yeah... I got 3 PC's. 2 AMD, 1 Intel.

    It's all we poor North Americans can afford.

    Here's an Idea----- I Install NetBSD on the scsi drive on my PC, then put
    the HD back in the Alpha machine.

    Presto.....Alakazzam....and Bill is yer Uncle!

    The Alpha Machine Boots to the OS and...... all is well.

    (out of curiosity.....why do I want to play around with an 8 Year old (Steam
    Powered) machine?

    I dunno......

    Cheers

    "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" wrote in message
    news:4335d397$1@news.langstoeger.at...
    > In article , "GM"

    writes:
    > >The Model of the Server I have is the HP Alpha Server 800 5/333
    > >
    > >It is a 333mhz cpu and has 128mb memory with 2* 9.1G scsi drives and 1*

    4G
    > >scsi drive.

    >
    > A good system for OpenVMS ;-)
    >
    > >The BIOS identifies as 5.69 version and has the Options to install WinNT,
    > >OPENvms and True64.

    >
    > OpenVMS, Tru64.
    > And don't forget Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, VxWorks and so on
    >
    > Firmware for the AlphaServer 800 is located here
    >
    > http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha...ive/as800.html
    >
    > Its version is numbered after the SRM. V5.8 (which is the last version for
    > the AS800) does contain ARC/AlphaBIOS V5.70 - so you could upgrade (but

    you
    > don't need to as the only change seem to be for the KZPCC-CE RAID ctrl)...
    >
    > http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha...archive/as800/
    >
    > >I have a copy of Windows NT 3.1 that I p2p'd and I burned it as an ISO. I
    > >ran a successful install on my desktop system as a test.

    >
    > Desktop ? You mean a WINTEL toy ?
    > Binaries for INTEL and Alpha (and PowerPC and MIPS) are different of

    course.
    > So that does not qualify as a test for a good/errorfree/working media...
    >
    > >The problem with the install seems to be:
    > >
    > >#1 Me (a total newb to anything other than recent Amd and Intel systems)

    >
    > Ok. Here is a good place to start.
    > And if you are familiar with newsgroups you can RTF FAQ of this group
    > and of the COMP.OS.VMS as well
    >
    > http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq/
    >
    > http://www.windows.digital.com/ was the original site but is no longer
    > maybe http://www.alphant.com and some (very few) other sites will help

    you...
    >
    > >#2 The BIOS/ARC/SRM

    >
    > ARC is the "BIOS" (yes, with an INTEL binary compatible system) for use
    > with M$ Windows NT (3.0, 3.1, 3.5, 3.51, 4.0 and 5.0RC1, 5.0RC2) and

    Linux.
    >
    > SRM is the console software for use with OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX (and

    others).
    >
    > >#3 Me

    >
    > Ask again, learn, and don't give up too early. And don't forget to try

    OpenVMS.
    >
    > >#4 Perhaps I should just get a copy of NT 4.0(is it a different build for
    > >Alpha?)

    >
    > Yes, it is. But IIRC it was located on the same 4.0 CD in another

    directory.
    > (with V5.0 RCx it was on another - IIRC MSDN - CD). And yes, start with

    V4.0
    >
    > >#5 I can get into BIOS but have no idea what ARC and SRM is...and how to
    > >access them.

    >
    > ARC and AlphaBIOS is the same. SRM is a different console program.
    >
    > You can switch from SRM to ARC/AlphaBIOS with a >>>SET OS_TYPE NT
    > (or something like that) and a repower of the system. And you can switch
    > back from ARC/AlphaBIOS to SRM by some (sub or subsub) menu entry (use F2
    > to enter the Setup Mode of ARC/AlphaBIOS) and again a repower of the

    system
    > (factory default - or with an empty BIOS battery - seems to be

    ARC/AlphaBIOS).
    >
    > You may need to switch to SRM for an Alpha F/W upd but I'm not sure on

    that...
    >
    > >#6 Using the "Install Windows NT" option in the BIOS it does not

    recognise
    > >my burned winNT 3.1 disk

    >
    > You need also the HAL CD first.
    > I remember to have used 4 or 5 (HAL, Graphic and Sound Driver, and so on)
    > different CDs and diskettes and only one of them was the original
    > M$ WinNT 4.0 CD which I all got with my PWS433au (with a PowerStorm 4D50T)
    > and also downloaded from the web because of newer versions.
    >
    > Better forget 3.1 alltogether. There you might not find a HAL now at

    all...
    >
    > And consider also, that older CD-ROM drives do not recognize self burned
    > media (where current CD-ROMs have absolutely no problem with). Better try
    > original CDs and/or a newer drives also...
    >
    > >Upon an unsucessful attempt to install an OS, I will proceed to PLAN B.

    >
    > Which is ? OpenVMS ? Fine...
    >
    > But modify Plan A to start with NT4 or NT5 RCx instead of V3.1 ...
    >
    > --
    > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
    > Network and OpenVMS system specialist
    > E-mail peter@langstoeger.at
    > A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist




  4. Re: Hello Again: HP Alpha Server and OS install

    You should browse around
    http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/archive/800
    The alpha instruction set is different to X86
    so anything you install has to be built for the alpha,
    you cannot install an X86 version of NT NetBSD linux or anything else.
    You will have to aquire either an alpha-specific cd of Windows NT
    (in which case you should also get support files from
    http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/fi...are/as800.html)
    or a copy of vms or Tru64
    There are various linux versions that can be downloaded as an alpha iso
    you should browse comp.os.linux.alpha for hints
    netbsd you can get from http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/alpha/

    Phil


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