patrick jankowiak wrote:
> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
> Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>
> Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>
> http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>
> Serious inquiries only please.
> Replies to this message will not be received.
> Contact info is at the URL.
>
> BR,
> OPCOM

I've always wanted a PDP-8 like the one I learned on (perhaps it was
an 8/e), but I doubt there are many people other than scrap dealers
who are in a position to take all that as one lot. Which means it'll
probably end up being destroyed -- a real shame, IMHO.

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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, CJT wrote:
> I've always wanted a PDP-8 like the one I learned on (perhaps it was
> an 8/e), but I doubt there are many people other than scrap dealers
> who are in a position to take all that as one lot. Which means it'll
> probably end up being destroyed -- a real shame, IMHO.

I have to agree -- unless a museum is interested in the entire collection,
it would be better to break it up. There are pieces that collectors would
find quite desirable, but taking the entire lot is more than most can bite
off.

-- Mark --

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Si vis pacem, para bellum.

patrick jankowiak wrote:

> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
> Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>
> Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>
> http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>
> Serious inquiries only please.
> Replies to this message will not be received.
> Contact info is at the URL.
>
> BR,
> OPCOM


Have you contacted the computer museum community? Although many
rely on donations, by such a collection, they might even try to
find a sponsor (or sponsors) to acquire the collection for them.


History of computing organizations
http://vmoc.museophile.org/#orgs

Computer History Association of California (CHAC)
http://www.chac.org/chac/

Computer History Museum
http://www.computerhistory.org/

Computer Museum of America
http://www.computer-museum.org/

American Computer Museum
http://www.compustory.com/

University of Virginia Computer Science: Computer Museum
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/brochure/museum.html

University of Amsterdam Computer Museum
http://www.science.uva.nl/faculteit/museum/

Blinkenlights Archaeological Institute
http://www.blinkenlights.com/

VintageTech
http://www.vintagetech.com/

ClassicCmp
http://www.classiccmp.org/

Deutsches Museum, München
http://www.weller.to/mus/mus_dm.htm

HNF - Heinz Nixdorf MuseumsForum
http://www.hnf.de/

MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
http://www.tcm.org/

The Retro-Computing Society of RI, Inc.
http://www.osfn.org/rcs/

Science Museum - London
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/

The Jefferson Computer Museum
http://www.threedee.com/jcm/


Cheers!

Keith Cayemberg

In article , patrick jankowiak writes:
>%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
>Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>
>Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>
>http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>
>Serious inquiries only please.
>Replies to this message will not be received.
>Contact info is at the URL.
>
>BR,
>OPCOM

Could I pay you to ship me DECtalk rack back?

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On 2005-01-22 12:23, "Keith Cayemberg" wrote:

> Have you contacted the computer museum community? Although many
> rely on donations, by such a collection, they might even try to
> find a sponsor (or sponsors) to acquire the collection for them.
>
> [...]
>
> Deutsches Museum, München
> http://www.weller.to/mus/mus_dm.htm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> [...]

Where did you see _that_ URL?? They ("Deutsches Museum") are of course
running their own web server ...



Michael

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In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
Keith Cayemberg writes:
>
>
> MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
> http://www.tcm.org/
>

Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff
including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis
Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related
on thier website.

bill

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Michael Unger wrote:
> On 2005-01-22 12:23, "Keith Cayemberg" wrote:
>
>
>>Have you contacted the computer museum community? Although many
>>rely on donations, by such a collection, they might even try to
>>find a sponsor (or sponsors) to acquire the collection for them.
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>Deutsches Museum, München
>>http://www.weller.to/mus/mus_dm.htm
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>[...]
>
>
> Where did you see _that_ URL?? They ("Deutsches Museum") are of course
> running their own web server ...
>
>
>
> Michael
>

OOPS!

K.C.

Bill Gunshannon wrote:

> In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
> Keith Cayemberg writes:
>
>>
>>MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
>>http://www.tcm.org/
>>
>
>
> Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff
> including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis
> Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related
> on thier website.
>
> bill
>
Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The
Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are
discussed in a forum.

Thanks Bill.

Cheer!

Keith Cayemberg

In article <41f284c5$0$812$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
Keith Cayemberg writes:
> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>
>> In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
>> Keith Cayemberg writes:
>>
>>>
>>>MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
>>>http://www.tcm.org/
>>>
>>
>>
>> Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff
>> including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis
>> Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related
>> on thier website.
>>
>> bill
>>
> Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The
> Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are
> discussed in a forum.
>
> Thanks Bill.
>

I have wanted to start a computer museum here at the University
for a long time. I figured if I could get commitments from a
few corporations for operating funds I could probably convince
the University to give me the necessary space. But I really
don't know how to go about finding corporate sponsers. :-(
My idea is to have a real hands on facility where people can
come in and actually play with the equipment. I would also
make as much of it as I could available on the INTERNET with
guest accounts. But, I'm probably just dreaming again.

bill

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Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> In article <41f284c5$0$812$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
> Keith Cayemberg writes:
>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>
>>> In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
>>> Keith Cayemberg writes:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
>>>> http://www.tcm.org/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff
>>> including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis
>>> Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related
>>> on thier website.
>>>
>>> bill
>>>
>> Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The
>> Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are
>> discussed in a forum.
>>
>> Thanks Bill.
>>
>
> I have wanted to start a computer museum here at the University
> for a long time. I figured if I could get commitments from a
> few corporations for operating funds I could probably convince
> the University to give me the necessary space. But I really
> don't know how to go about finding corporate sponsers. :-(
> My idea is to have a real hands on facility where people can
> come in and actually play with the equipment. I would also
> make as much of it as I could available on the INTERNET with
> guest accounts. But, I'm probably just dreaming again.


The Smithsonian ought to be interested in something like this.

VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
> In article , patrick jankowiak writes:
>
>>%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
>>Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>>
>>Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>>
>>http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>>
>>Serious inquiries only please.
>>Replies to this message will not be received.
>>Contact info is at the URL.
>>
>>BR,
>>OPCOM
>
>
> Could I pay you to ship me DECtalk rack back?
>
Yes. Please send your receiving information to the e-mail
address shown at:
http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html

Anyone who has donated something is welcome to ask it back.
It is only fair and there is no issue.

I may not be able to reliably monitor these newsgroups
and therefore not receive messages from them or reply
in an efficient manner, so anyone wishing to contact
me for any reason, to ask something back, say hello,
whatever, should use the contact info on the web page at:

http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html

I would also like to say that if anyone within the DEC
community has a better idea of how to handle and preserve this
collection I am open to suggestions. I would prefer it,
as would have John Wisniewski and the other principals,
to be shown in a museum. It was our intent.
No course of action is set in stone.

BR,
Opcom / Patrick Jankowiak

Nothing sacred will be scrapped.

OPCOM

CJT wrote:

> patrick jankowiak wrote:
>
>> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
>> Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>>
>> Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>>
>> http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>>
>> Serious inquiries only please.
>> Replies to this message will not be received.
>> Contact info is at the URL.
>>
>> BR,
>> OPCOM
>
>
> I've always wanted a PDP-8 like the one I learned on (perhaps it was
> an 8/e), but I doubt there are many people other than scrap dealers
> who are in a position to take all that as one lot. Which means it'll
> probably end up being destroyed -- a real shame, IMHO.
>

I have not contacted all of those, I will try to contact them.

Thanks,
OPCOM

Keith Cayemberg wrote:

> patrick jankowiak wrote:
>
>> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
>> Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>>
>> Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>>
>> http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>>
>> Serious inquiries only please.
>> Replies to this message will not be received.
>> Contact info is at the URL.
>>
>> BR,
>> OPCOM
>
>
>
> Have you contacted the computer museum community? Although many
> rely on donations, by such a collection, they might even try to
> find a sponsor (or sponsors) to acquire the collection for them.
>
>
> History of computing organizations
> http://vmoc.museophile.org/#orgs
>
> Computer History Association of California (CHAC)
> http://www.chac.org/chac/
>
> Computer History Museum
> http://www.computerhistory.org/
>
> Computer Museum of America
> http://www.computer-museum.org/
>
> American Computer Museum
> http://www.compustory.com/
>
> University of Virginia Computer Science: Computer Museum
> http://www.cs.virginia.edu/brochure/museum.html
>
> University of Amsterdam Computer Museum
> http://www.science.uva.nl/faculteit/museum/
>
> Blinkenlights Archaeological Institute
> http://www.blinkenlights.com/
>
> VintageTech
> http://www.vintagetech.com/
>
> ClassicCmp
> http://www.classiccmp.org/
>
> Deutsches Museum, München
> http://www.weller.to/mus/mus_dm.htm
>
> HNF - Heinz Nixdorf MuseumsForum
> http://www.hnf.de/
>
> MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
> http://www.tcm.org/
>
> The Retro-Computing Society of RI, Inc.
> http://www.osfn.org/rcs/
>
> Science Museum - London
> http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/
>
> The Jefferson Computer Museum
> http://www.threedee.com/jcm/
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Keith Cayemberg
>

Thanks for the update.
Is nothing sacred?

OPCOM

Keith Cayemberg wrote:

> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>
>> In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
>> Keith Cayemberg writes:
>>
>>>
>>> MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
>>> http://www.tcm.org/
>>>
>>
>>
>> Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff
>> including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis
>> Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related
>> on thier website.
>>
>> bill
>>
> Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The
> Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are
> discussed in a forum.
>
> Thanks Bill.
>
> Cheer!
>
> Keith Cayemberg

Bill Gunshannon wrote:

> In article <41f284c5$0$812$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
> Keith Cayemberg writes:
>
>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
>>> Keith Cayemberg writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
>>>>http://www.tcm.org/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff
>>>including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis
>>>Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related
>>>on thier website.
>>>
>>>bill
>>>
>>
>>Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The
>>Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are
>>discussed in a forum.
>>
>>Thanks Bill.
>>
>
>
> I have wanted to start a computer museum here at the University
> for a long time. I figured if I could get commitments from a
> few corporations for operating funds I could probably convince
> the University to give me the necessary space. But I really
> don't know how to go about finding corporate sponsers. :-(
> My idea is to have a real hands on facility where people can
> come in and actually play with the equipment. I would also
> make as much of it as I could available on the INTERNET with
> guest accounts. But, I'm probably just dreaming again.
>
> bill
>

I have some experience with such entities. Unless permanent space
is allocated, items are often eventually disposed of
unceremoniously and in an ugly manner. I witnessed this at the
"texas broadcast museum". The volunteers were suddenly locked
out, and the BOD privately sold off many assets to line their
own pockets, and the stuff that was too big to sell was trashed
(including the Voice of America broadcasting console and an
ancient 5000 watt RCA AM transmitter) and the place now converted
to guided tours hands-off, beginning and ending in the gift shop
which had been the tech lab where exhibits were serviced.. May
the BOD rot for that disgrace.

I am not saying that's what would happen, but I am concerned for
the future of our historical charges and the legacy they bespeak.

http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html

OPCOM

John Smith wrote:

> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>
>>In article <41f284c5$0$812$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
>>Keith Cayemberg writes:
>>
>>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
>>>>Keith Cayemberg writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
>>>>>http://www.tcm.org/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff
>>>>including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis
>>>>Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related
>>>>on thier website.
>>>>
>>>>bill
>>>>
>>>
>>>Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The
>>>Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are
>>>discussed in a forum.
>>>
>>>Thanks Bill.
>>>
>>
>>I have wanted to start a computer museum here at the University
>>for a long time. I figured if I could get commitments from a
>>few corporations for operating funds I could probably convince
>>the University to give me the necessary space. But I really
>>don't know how to go about finding corporate sponsers. :-(
>>My idea is to have a real hands on facility where people can
>>come in and actually play with the equipment. I would also
>>make as much of it as I could available on the INTERNET with
>>guest accounts. But, I'm probably just dreaming again.
>
>
>
> The Smithsonian ought to be interested in something like this.
>
>
I just shot them an e-mail.

Patrick

Bill Gunshannon wrote:


>
> I have wanted to start a computer museum here at the University
> for a long time. I figured if I could get commitments from a
> few corporations for operating funds I could probably convince
> the University to give me the necessary space. But I really
> don't know how to go about finding corporate sponsers. :-(
> My idea is to have a real hands on facility where people can
> come in and actually play with the equipment. I would also
> make as much of it as I could available on the INTERNET with
> guest accounts. But, I'm probably just dreaming again.
>
> bill
>

Bill,

I wish we could do this. There's a hell of a datacenter here just waiting to be unzipped. It's what we wanted.. (makes me want to listen to "all we ever wanted" by Bauhaus) Man I am trying to keep a good mindset but this step is
getting me down. It has to be done though.

OPCOM

May I ask those interested in this discussion
to make sure to CC or post comments relating
to this thread to the comp.os.vms newsgroup?

I do not mean to impose, but as the point of
contact for the collection, I do want to
read every comment because I value all of
the opinions of the DEC community, and I
have limited access to the groups.


I think comp.os.vms is the most widely
available (If I am wrong please correct me,
it's been a log time since I have done news).

Patrick J.


patrick jankowiak wrote:

> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
> Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>
> Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>
> http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>
> Serious inquiries only please.
> Replies to this message will not be received.
> Contact info is at the URL.
>
> BR,
> OPCOM

patrick jankowiak wrote:
> Nothing sacred will be scrapped.

I'm glad to hear that.

I don't know the best way to do it, but perhaps selling a fraction
of the items could fund placement of the rest in a suitable facility
at a university or similar institution.

>
> OPCOM
>
> CJT wrote:
>
>> patrick jankowiak wrote:
>>
>>> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
>>> Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>>>
>>> Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>>>
>>> http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>>>
>>> Serious inquiries only please.
>>> Replies to this message will not be received.
>>> Contact info is at the URL.
>>>
>>> BR,
>>> OPCOM
>>
>>
>>
>> I've always wanted a PDP-8 like the one I learned on (perhaps it was
>> an 8/e), but I doubt there are many people other than scrap dealers
>> who are in a position to take all that as one lot. Which means it'll
>> probably end up being destroyed -- a real shame, IMHO.
>>


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