Package: tasksel
Version: 2.75
Severity: minor

Hi,

a standard GNOME or KDE desktop installs tools like gnome-power-manager,
kpowersave and network-manager-(gnome|kde). This tools are used for
powermanagement and network configuration and they access HAL and
NetworkManager via D-Bus.

Historically, Debian used group based policies, to allow access to those
services, i.e. in order to mount removable media, suspend/hibernate your
laptop or configure your (wireless) network, you had to be in the groups
plugdev, powerdev and netdev.


As (co-)maintainer of packages like kpowersave, experience over the last
year has shown, that this approach has it's downsides. A lot of users
complained that basic stuff like suspend does not work out-of-the-box [1],
only to learn that they have to add their users to the above mentioned groups.
For unexperienced users this can be quite challenging and unintuitive.

A alternative approach has been implemented using consolekit.
When this package is installed, it allows access to the HAL and NetworkManager
service using the at_console policy, i.e. all locally logged in users can
access the D-Bus services without the need to add them to all the different
groups. You can still configure access via groups, this new methods is
complementary.

For a better out-of-the-box experience I'd like to see consolekit installed by
default as part of the desktop and/or laptop task in lenny.

Thanks for considering,
Michael


[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=484248


-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
APT prefers unstable
APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (300, 'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.26.3
Locale: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

Versions of packages tasksel depends on:
ii aptitude 0.4.11.9-1 terminal-based package manager
ii debconf [debconf-2.0] 1.5.23 Debian configuration management sy
ii liblocale-gettext-perl 1.05-4 Using libc functions for internati
ii tasksel-data 2.75 Official tasks used for installati

tasksel recommends no packages.

tasksel suggests no packages.

-- debconf information:
tasksel/title:
tasksel/desktop: gnome
tasksel/first:
tasksel/tasks:



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Michael Biebl wrote:
> For a better out-of-the-box experience I'd like to see consolekit installed by
> default as part of the desktop and/or laptop task in lenny.

I hope you're aware that lenny is frozen..

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Joey Hess wrote:
> Michael Biebl wrote:
>> For a better out-of-the-box experience I'd like to see consolekit installed by
>> default as part of the desktop and/or laptop task in lenny.
>
> I hope you're aware that lenny is frozen..
>

Of course I am. The simple truth is, that all the necessary bits weren't
in place up until now, so I didn't want to ask for inclusion when it
wasn't ready yet.

I'm not asking to request a freeze exception for tasksel just because of
consolekit alone. But if you are considering one anyway, please include
consolekit.

Cheers,
Michael

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Quoting Michael Biebl (biebl@debian.org):
> Joey Hess wrote:
> > Michael Biebl wrote:
> >> For a better out-of-the-box experience I'd like to see consolekit installed by
> >> default as part of the desktop and/or laptop task in lenny.
> >
> > I hope you're aware that lenny is frozen..
> >
>
> Of course I am. The simple truth is, that all the necessary bits weren't
> in place up until now, so I didn't want to ask for inclusion when it
> wasn't ready yet.
>
> I'm not asking to request a freeze exception for tasksel just because of
> consolekit alone. But if you are considering one anyway, please include
> consolekit.


The CJK folks might request adding poppler-data to the
japanese-desktop, korean-desktop and chinese_*-desktop tasks (see
-devel for thread).


Ofcourse, theoretically, all this should happen much earlier in the
releaseprocess but experience has shown that such "polishing" stuff
always happens at the very end of the releaseprocess...:-|

Given the well documented argument bringed by Michael, I'd vote toadd
consolekit as requested, particularly if that's not too invasive
(dependencies, etc.).


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