On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Michael Biebl wrote:

> > relieve system administrators of some of the drudgery of manually editing the
> > symbolic links.
>
> What's the advantage over exisiting tools like sysv-rc-conf?

Compatibility with the brains of people who have moved to Debian from
RedHat and other RPM distros. I certainly missed it after 6 months of
administrating RedHat machines and moving back to Debian.

An /sbin/service compatibility script would be useful too.

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Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Peter Eisentraut
>
> * Package name : chkconfig
> Version : 10.3-90
> Upstream Author : Michael Schroeder
> * License : GPL
> Programming Lang: Perl
> Description : system tool to enable or disable system services
>
> Chkconfig is a utility to update and query runlevel information for system
> services. Chkconfig manipulates the numerous symbolic links in /etc/rc.d, to
^^^^^^
There is no /etc/rc.d/ on Debian systems.

> relieve system administrators of some of the drudgery of manually editing the
> symbolic links.

What's the advantage over exisiting tools like sysv-rc-conf?

Cheers,
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On 2008-04-10, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Michael Biebl wrote:
>
>> > relieve system administrators of some of the drudgery of manually editing the
>> > symbolic links.
>>
>> What's the advantage over exisiting tools like sysv-rc-conf?
>
> Compatibility with the brains of people who have moved to Debian from
> RedHat and other RPM distros. I certainly missed it after 6 months of
> administrating RedHat machines and moving back to Debian.
>
> An /sbin/service compatibility script would be useful too.

#! /bin/sh

/etc/init.d/$1 $2

there you go with your /sbin/service script.

/Sune


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On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Sune Vuorela wrote:

> > An /sbin/service compatibility script would be useful too.
>
> #! /bin/sh
>
> /etc/init.d/$1 $2
>
> there you go with your /sbin/service script.

Close.

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Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 schrieb Michael Biebl:
>> What's the advantage over exisiting tools like sysv-rc-conf?
>
> 1. chkconfig works solely on the command line.

sysv-rc-conf has both a command line interface and a ncurses based
interface.
I don't see, why command-line only should be an advantage.

>
> 2. sysv-rc-conf is mostly unmaintained and broken for some (of my) practical
> uses.

Do you have any references (e.g. bug numbers). sysv-rc-conf seems to
work fine for me.

>
> 3. chkconfig is simpler and more convenient.

Could you elaborate on that.

sysv-rc-conf $service on|off

is very convenient and I'm not sure if it can be made any simpler.

> 4. chkconfig is well known for users coming from Red Hat and SUSE.

ok.

>
> 5. chkconfig works well with the new insserv.

Could you elaborate on that? What's the problem with sysv-rc-conf and
insserv?

Cheers,
Michael

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Sune Vuorela writes:

> #! /bin/sh
>
> /etc/init.d/$1 $2
>
> there you go with your /sbin/service script.

/sbin/service on Red Hat also sanitizes the environment, which I've found
very useful on occasion. (And does so slightly more intelligently than
env -, I think.)

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Hi,

I can mention old bug...

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 02:25:14PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 schrieb Michael Biebl:
> >> What's the advantage over exisiting tools like sysv-rc-conf?
> >
> > 1. chkconfig works solely on the command line.
>
> sysv-rc-conf has both a command line interface and a ncurses based
> interface.
> I don't see, why command-line only should be an advantage.
>
> >
> > 2. sysv-rc-conf is mostly unmaintained and broken for some (of my) practical
> > uses.
>
> Do you have any references (e.g. bug numbers). sysv-rc-conf seems to
> work fine for me.
>

#285850 and all bugs realted to floating service. Most of these bugs
are around 2-3 years old.

> >
> > 3. chkconfig is simpler and more convenient.
>
> Could you elaborate on that.
>
> sysv-rc-conf $service on|off
>
> is very convenient and I'm not sure if it can be made any simpler.
>
> > 4. chkconfig is well known for users coming from Red Hat and SUSE.
>
> ok.
>
> >
> > 5. chkconfig works well with the new insserv.
>
> Could you elaborate on that? What's the problem with sysv-rc-conf and
> insserv?

Really, I do not use neither but when I was updating Debian Reference
for newbie, I thought such tool should help. There were more oroblem
using it for me. I use mc for such task when I feel lazy on typing.

Osamu




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Osamu Aoki wrote:

>>
>>> 5. chkconfig works well with the new insserv.
>> Could you elaborate on that? What's the problem with sysv-rc-conf and
>> insserv?
>
> Really, I do not use neither but when I was updating Debian Reference
> for newbie, I thought such tool should help. There were more oroblem
> using it for me. I use mc for such task when I feel lazy on typing.
>
> Osamu
>

I don't have any objections against chkconfig being packaged for Debian.
I simply wanted to know, why Peter considers it superiour to other
alternatives and if I should reconsider using sysv-rc-conf (which I have
used and recommended to others up until now).

If insserv is really enabled by default for lenny, and chkconfig is the
only tool working properly with insserv, then we should recommend
chkconfig over other tools.

Cheers,
Michael

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On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 04:53:52PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Osamu Aoki wrote:
>
> >>
> >>> 5. chkconfig works well with the new insserv.
> >> Could you elaborate on that? What's the problem with sysv-rc-conf and
> >> insserv?
> >
> > Really, I do not use neither but when I was updating Debian Reference
> > for newbie, I thought such tool should help. There were more oroblem
> > using it for me. I use mc for such task when I feel lazy on typing.
> >
> > Osamu
> >
>
> I don't have any objections against chkconfig being packaged for Debian.
> I simply wanted to know, why Peter considers it superiour to other
> alternatives and if I should reconsider using sysv-rc-conf (which I have
> used and recommended to others up until now).
>
> If insserv is really enabled by default for lenny, and chkconfig is the
> only tool working properly with insserv, then we should recommend
> chkconfig over other tools.
>
> Cheers,
> Michael

Me either. My comment location was a bit confusing.

As long as new tool is better maintained and have less problem (floating
servce handling, protection from system shutdown with multiple key
inputs, ....) I would love to get new tool. I am curious too.

When packaging this new tool, please check if this new tool suffer
proplem reported to sysv-rc-conf.

Osamu



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