Bug#475361: ITP: chkconfig -- system tool to enable or disable system services - Debian

This is a discussion on Bug#475361: ITP: chkconfig -- system tool to enable or disable system services - Debian ; Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Peter Eisentraut * Package name : chkconfig Version : 10.3-90 Upstream Author : Michael Schroeder * License : GPL Programming Lang: Perl Description : system tool to enable or disable system services Chkconfig is a ...

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  1. Bug#475361: ITP: chkconfig -- system tool to enable or disable system services

    Package: wnpp
    Severity: wishlist
    Owner: Peter Eisentraut

    * Package name : chkconfig
    Version : 10.3-90
    Upstream Author : Michael Schroeder
    * License : GPL
    Programming Lang: Perl
    Description : system tool to enable or disable system services

    Chkconfig is a utility to update and query runlevel information for system
    services. Chkconfig manipulates the numerous symbolic links in /etc/rc.d, to
    relieve system administrators of some of the drudgery of manually editing the
    symbolic links.



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  2. Re: Bug#475361: ITP: chkconfig -- system tool to enable or disable system services

    On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Michael Biebl wrote:

    > > relieve system administrators of some of the drudgery of manually editing the
    > > symbolic links.

    >
    > What's the advantage over exisiting tools like sysv-rc-conf?


    Compatibility with the brains of people who have moved to Debian from
    RedHat and other RPM distros. I certainly missed it after 6 months of
    administrating RedHat machines and moving back to Debian.

    An /sbin/service compatibility script would be useful too.

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  3. Bug#475361: ITP: chkconfig -- system tool to enable or disable system services

    Peter Eisentraut wrote:
    > Package: wnpp
    > Severity: wishlist
    > Owner: Peter Eisentraut
    >
    > * Package name : chkconfig
    > Version : 10.3-90
    > Upstream Author : Michael Schroeder
    > * License : GPL
    > Programming Lang: Perl
    > Description : system tool to enable or disable system services
    >
    > Chkconfig is a utility to update and query runlevel information for system
    > services. Chkconfig manipulates the numerous symbolic links in /etc/rc.d, to

    ^^^^^^
    There is no /etc/rc.d/ on Debian systems.

    > relieve system administrators of some of the drudgery of manually editing the
    > symbolic links.


    What's the advantage over exisiting tools like sysv-rc-conf?

    Cheers,
    Michael

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  4. Re: Bug#475361: ITP: chkconfig -- system tool to enable or disable system services

    On 2008-04-10, Paul Wise wrote:
    > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Michael Biebl wrote:
    >
    >> > relieve system administrators of some of the drudgery of manually editing the
    >> > symbolic links.

    >>
    >> What's the advantage over exisiting tools like sysv-rc-conf?

    >
    > Compatibility with the brains of people who have moved to Debian from
    > RedHat and other RPM distros. I certainly missed it after 6 months of
    > administrating RedHat machines and moving back to Debian.
    >
    > An /sbin/service compatibility script would be useful too.


    #! /bin/sh

    /etc/init.d/$1 $2

    there you go with your /sbin/service script.

    /Sune


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  5. Re: Bug#475361: ITP: chkconfig -- system tool to enable or disable system services

    On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Sune Vuorela wrote:

    > > An /sbin/service compatibility script would be useful too.

    >
    > #! /bin/sh
    >
    > /etc/init.d/$1 $2
    >
    > there you go with your /sbin/service script.


    Close.

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  6. Bug#475361: ITP: chkconfig -- system tool to enable or disable system services

    Peter Eisentraut wrote:
    > Am Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 schrieb Michael Biebl:
    >> What's the advantage over exisiting tools like sysv-rc-conf?

    >
    > 1. chkconfig works solely on the command line.


    sysv-rc-conf has both a command line interface and a ncurses based
    interface.
    I don't see, why command-line only should be an advantage.

    >
    > 2. sysv-rc-conf is mostly unmaintained and broken for some (of my) practical
    > uses.


    Do you have any references (e.g. bug numbers). sysv-rc-conf seems to
    work fine for me.

    >
    > 3. chkconfig is simpler and more convenient.


    Could you elaborate on that.

    sysv-rc-conf $service on|off

    is very convenient and I'm not sure if it can be made any simpler.

    > 4. chkconfig is well known for users coming from Red Hat and SUSE.


    ok.

    >
    > 5. chkconfig works well with the new insserv.


    Could you elaborate on that? What's the problem with sysv-rc-conf and
    insserv?

    Cheers,
    Michael

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  7. Re: Bug#475361: ITP: chkconfig -- system tool to enable or disable system services

    Sune Vuorela writes:

    > #! /bin/sh
    >
    > /etc/init.d/$1 $2
    >
    > there you go with your /sbin/service script.


    /sbin/service on Red Hat also sanitizes the environment, which I've found
    very useful on occasion. (And does so slightly more intelligently than
    env -, I think.)

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  8. Bug#475361: ITP: chkconfig -- system tool to enable or disable system services

    Hi,

    I can mention old bug...

    On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 02:25:14PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
    > Peter Eisentraut wrote:
    > > Am Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 schrieb Michael Biebl:
    > >> What's the advantage over exisiting tools like sysv-rc-conf?

    > >
    > > 1. chkconfig works solely on the command line.

    >
    > sysv-rc-conf has both a command line interface and a ncurses based
    > interface.
    > I don't see, why command-line only should be an advantage.
    >
    > >
    > > 2. sysv-rc-conf is mostly unmaintained and broken for some (of my) practical
    > > uses.

    >
    > Do you have any references (e.g. bug numbers). sysv-rc-conf seems to
    > work fine for me.
    >


    #285850 and all bugs realted to floating service. Most of these bugs
    are around 2-3 years old.

    > >
    > > 3. chkconfig is simpler and more convenient.

    >
    > Could you elaborate on that.
    >
    > sysv-rc-conf $service on|off
    >
    > is very convenient and I'm not sure if it can be made any simpler.
    >
    > > 4. chkconfig is well known for users coming from Red Hat and SUSE.

    >
    > ok.
    >
    > >
    > > 5. chkconfig works well with the new insserv.

    >
    > Could you elaborate on that? What's the problem with sysv-rc-conf and
    > insserv?


    Really, I do not use neither but when I was updating Debian Reference
    for newbie, I thought such tool should help. There were more oroblem
    using it for me. I use mc for such task when I feel lazy on typing.

    Osamu




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  9. Bug#475361: ITP: chkconfig -- system tool to enable or disable system services

    Osamu Aoki wrote:

    >>
    >>> 5. chkconfig works well with the new insserv.

    >> Could you elaborate on that? What's the problem with sysv-rc-conf and
    >> insserv?

    >
    > Really, I do not use neither but when I was updating Debian Reference
    > for newbie, I thought such tool should help. There were more oroblem
    > using it for me. I use mc for such task when I feel lazy on typing.
    >
    > Osamu
    >


    I don't have any objections against chkconfig being packaged for Debian.
    I simply wanted to know, why Peter considers it superiour to other
    alternatives and if I should reconsider using sysv-rc-conf (which I have
    used and recommended to others up until now).

    If insserv is really enabled by default for lenny, and chkconfig is the
    only tool working properly with insserv, then we should recommend
    chkconfig over other tools.

    Cheers,
    Michael

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  10. Bug#475361: ITP: chkconfig -- system tool to enable or disable system services

    On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 04:53:52PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
    > Osamu Aoki wrote:
    >
    > >>
    > >>> 5. chkconfig works well with the new insserv.
    > >> Could you elaborate on that? What's the problem with sysv-rc-conf and
    > >> insserv?

    > >
    > > Really, I do not use neither but when I was updating Debian Reference
    > > for newbie, I thought such tool should help. There were more oroblem
    > > using it for me. I use mc for such task when I feel lazy on typing.
    > >
    > > Osamu
    > >

    >
    > I don't have any objections against chkconfig being packaged for Debian.
    > I simply wanted to know, why Peter considers it superiour to other
    > alternatives and if I should reconsider using sysv-rc-conf (which I have
    > used and recommended to others up until now).
    >
    > If insserv is really enabled by default for lenny, and chkconfig is the
    > only tool working properly with insserv, then we should recommend
    > chkconfig over other tools.
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Michael


    Me either. My comment location was a bit confusing.

    As long as new tool is better maintained and have less problem (floating
    servce handling, protection from system shutdown with multiple key
    inputs, ....) I would love to get new tool. I am curious too.

    When packaging this new tool, please check if this new tool suffer
    proplem reported to sysv-rc-conf.

    Osamu



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