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  1. table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net

    thanks to lucas nussbaum the address

    http://debian.binera.de/wnpp/

    is now accessible through

    http://wnpp.debian.net/ .



    sebastian


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  2. Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net

    Hi Sebastian,

    On Saturday 26 January 2008 02:13, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
    > thanks to lucas nussbaum the address
    > http://debian.binera.de/wnpp/
    > is now accessible through
    > http://wnpp.debian.net/ .


    Heh, cool, I tried wnpp.debian.net last week and it was not there yet :-)

    Could you add an explaination of "dust" on the page, too? I'm pretty sure it
    means "age in days", but as there seem to be 23 wnpp-bugs from today, I
    checked half of them as I couldnt believe there are so many on a monday
    morning already

    Also, what do the different colors mean? Ah, got that. You could use them as
    background colors also in the "ITA/ITP = Intent to package/adopt ..... O =
    Orphaned ..... RFA/RFH/RFP = Request for adoption/help/packaging" line.

    Last, there is no explaination of what the good news and bad news feeds are
    (or the others). I can guess, but I dont want to have to :-)

    Besides that, great work!

    IMO this should be mentioned in the developer news, adding it there.


    regards,
    Holger

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  3. Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net

    Hi,

    On Monday 28 January 2008 11:03, Holger Levsen wrote:
    > Could you add an explaination of "dust" on the page, too? I'm pretty sure
    > it means "age in days", but as there seem to be 23 wnpp-bugs from today, I
    > checked half of them as I couldnt believe there are so many on a monday
    > morning already


    It doesnt mean "age in days" but "days since last activity on the bug". The
    bugs I checked first, were indeed filed today, but then I saw #456640, which
    was filed in December but had activity today, so the dust was 0.

    Also "installs" seems to deserve more explaination. openoffice.org has 859223
    installs, which I believe is the installation number of all openoffice.org
    binary packages reported by popcorn combined.


    > regards,
    > Holger


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  4. Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net

    Holger Levsen wrote:
    > Could you add an explaination of "dust" on the page, too?


    I have it in the tooltips ('title' attribute) but I agree that
    a detailed legend would help. Any ideas where to put it best?
    At the very bottom of the page? In an extra page/window?


    > I'm pretty sure it
    > means "age in days", but as there seem to be 23 wnpp-bugs from today, I
    > checked half of them as I couldnt believe there are so many on a monday
    > morning already


    Dust
    Number of days without changes
    (i.e. amount of dust stacking up on a bug)


    > Also, what do the different colors mean? Ah, got that. You could use them as
    > background colors also in the "ITA/ITP = Intent to package/adopt ..... O =
    > Orphaned ..... RFA/RFH/RFP = Request for adoption/help/packaging" line.


    The colors were introduced for distinction, to speed up hopping from bug to
    bug of a certain type. I decided against coloring the legend because it
    (probably, didn't try) looks ugly and because in my view it was not
    important which color ITP is. But that's just my view. I plan to
    open up the source soon so you will be able to play with that :-)


    > Last, there is no explaination of what the good news and bad news feeds are
    > (or the others). I can guess, but I dont want to have to :-)


    For now please look here:
    http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel.../msg00970.html


    > Besides that, great work!


    Thank you!


    > IMO this should be mentioned in the developer news, adding it there.


    Sounds good. Please send me a link so I can see where it went.



    Sebastian


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  5. Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net

    Holger Levsen wrote:
    > It doesnt mean "age in days" but "days since last activity on the bug". The
    > bugs I checked first, were indeed filed today, but then I saw #456640, which
    > was filed in December but had activity today, so the dust was 0.


    Dust
    Number of days without changes
    (i.e. amount of dust stacking up on a bug)

    Age
    Number of days since this bug's creation


    > Also "installs" seems to deserve more explaination. openoffice.org has 859223
    > installs, which I believe is the installation number of all openoffice.org
    > binary packages reported by popcorn combined.


    Users
    Minimum number of people using this package on a regular basis
    (1:1 'vote' column from popcon, copied from [1])

    Installs
    Minimum number of people having this package installed
    (1:1 'inst' column from popcon, copied from [1])



    Sebastian


    [1] http://popcon.debian.org/source/by_inst.gz


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  6. Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net


    >
    > The colors were introduced for distinction, to speed up hopping from
    > bug to
    > bug of a certain type. I decided against coloring the legend because
    > it
    > (probably, didn't try) looks ugly and because in my view it was not
    > important which color ITP is. But that's just my view. I plan to
    > open up the source soon so you will be able to play with that :-)


    A minor niggle, but the colours you have chosen are not good for the
    5% of your male viewers who have deuteranopia or protanopia, the two
    most common forms of colour-blindness. I don't have either condition
    myself, but I've been bitten by this before in web pages I've
    created... in particular the green and yellow shades are almost
    identical for people with either condition.

    Tim


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  7. Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net

    Tim Cutts wrote:
    > A minor niggle, but the colours you have chosen are not good for the 5%
    > of your male viewers who have deuteranopia or protanopia, the two most
    > common forms of colour-blindness. I don't have either condition myself,
    > but I've been bitten by this before in web pages I've created... in
    > particular the green and yellow shades are almost identical for people
    > with either condition.


    Hm, can you help with creating a good set of colors?



    Sebastian



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  8. Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net

    Sebastian Pipping wrote:
    > thanks to lucas nussbaum the address
    >
    > http://debian.binera.de/wnpp/
    >
    > is now accessible through
    >
    > http://wnpp.debian.net/ .


    I moved the WNPP table page to a host
    where I can modify the Apache config.
    Therefore

    http://wnpp.debian.net/

    is no longer a HTTP redirect but
    a real IP pointer. The old (binera)
    address now is a forward instead
    so roles have been swapped.


    Since the page has reached a "stable" state
    I would like to ask if there is a chance
    to point to it from somewhere on

    http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/

    Would be cool if somebody with permissions
    could add such a link.

    Thanks in advance,



    Sebastian


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  9. Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net


    On 13 Mar 2008, at 9:33 pm, Sebastian Pipping wrote:

    > Tim Cutts wrote:
    >> A minor niggle, but the colours you have chosen are not good for
    >> the 5% of your male viewers who have deuteranopia or protanopia,
    >> the two most common forms of colour-blindness. I don't have either
    >> condition myself, but I've been bitten by this before in web pages
    >> I've created... in particular the green and yellow shades are
    >> almost identical for people with either condition.

    >
    > Hm, can you help with creating a good set of colors?


    There are a number of programs around which can help with this. I use
    Color Oracle: http://colororacle.cartography.ch/

    It sits in a Gnome panel, and will temporarily change your entire
    display's colours to simulate three different kinds of colour
    blindness.

    Tim


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  10. Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net

    Tim Cutts wrote:
    >> Hm, can you help with creating a good set of colors?

    >
    > There are a number of programs around which can help with this. I use
    > Color Oracle: http://colororacle.cartography.ch/
    >
    > It sits in a Gnome panel, and will temporarily change your entire
    > display's colours to simulate three different kinds of colour blindness.


    While I do like the concept of this application, it seems
    to be closed source and (probably?) does not take choosing
    colors off my shoulders.

    I'd be happy to put in new colors if somebody could help me
    with this. It feels wrong to me to try myself again as
    selecting the current color set was hard already.
    I hope you don't mind my position.



    Sebastian


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  11. Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net


    On 17 Mar 2008, at 3:35 am, Sebastian Pipping wrote:

    > Tim Cutts wrote:
    >>> Hm, can you help with creating a good set of colors?

    >> There are a number of programs around which can help with this. I
    >> use Color Oracle: http://colororacle.cartography.ch/
    >> It sits in a Gnome panel, and will temporarily change your entire
    >> display's colours to simulate three different kinds of colour
    >> blindness.

    >
    > While I do like the concept of this application, it seems
    > to be closed source and (probably?) does not take choosing
    > colors off my shoulders.


    Well, at least it's free (beer) if not free (speech). Its algorithm
    is published, though, so if someone felt so inclined they could
    probably write something free (speech). I haven't seen anything open
    source yet. Basically, the general advice is to avoid distinguishing
    colours solely in the red and green components; red, green and yellow
    can all be confused by colour blind males. I have seen suggested
    spectra for use in charts for colour blind people, and the
    predominating colours are blue and brown.

    Still not free, but the following web site probably helps you do what
    you want:

    http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html

    Click on its "triad" button, and it automatically picks three
    contrasting colours which work in all forms of colour blindness
    (including the extremely rare case of totally monochromatic vision).

    For example:

    #5CB85C
    #B85CA1
    #E6A173

    is one such set, and works quite well for normal vision, because they
    are greenish, purplish and beige-ish respectively.

    Tim


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  12. Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net

    On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 04:35:44AM +0100, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
    > Tim Cutts wrote:
    > >There are a number of programs around which can help with this. I use
    > >Color Oracle: http://colororacle.cartography.ch/
    > >
    > >It sits in a Gnome panel, and will temporarily change your entire
    > >display's colours to simulate three different kinds of colour blindness.

    >
    > While I do like the concept of this application, it seems
    > to be closed source


    Isn't compiz's plugin "colorfilters" already capable of this?
    (I can't check right now...)

    > and (probably?) does not take choosing colors off my shoulders.


    Most color sets work fine; you can choose something that looks nice to the
    majority of us with non-buggy wetware and then check if it's ok for the
    colorblind.

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    // adequately explained by malice.


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  13. Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net

    Hi Tim,

    On Monday 17 March 2008 10:45, Tim Cutts wrote:
    > http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html
    >
    > Click on its "triad" button, and it automatically picks three
    > contrasting colours which work in all forms of colour blindness


    That page/tool rocks! Thanks for sharing!


    regards,
    Holger

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  14. Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net

    Tim Cutts wrote:
    > Still not free, but the following web site probably helps you do what
    > you want:
    >
    > http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html


    Very cool tool. I guess they changed the license,
    it reads Creative Commons BY-NC-SA 2.0 now.


    > Click on its "triad" button, and it automatically picks three
    > contrasting colours which work in all forms of colour blindness
    > (including the extremely rare case of totally monochromatic vision).


    I applied a new set of colors, selected using the Color schemes
    generator 2. Please let me know how the new set works.



    Sebastian


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  15. Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net

    On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 01:41 +0100, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
    > Tim Cutts wrote:
    > > Still not free, but the following web site probably helps you do what
    > > you want:
    > >
    > > http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html

    >
    > Very cool tool. I guess they changed the license,
    > it reads Creative Commons BY-NC-SA 2.0 now.
    >


    -NC is not free

    >
    > > Click on its "triad" button, and it automatically picks three
    > > contrasting colours which work in all forms of colour blindness
    > > (including the extremely rare case of totally monochromatic vision).

    >
    > I applied a new set of colors, selected using the Color schemes
    > generator 2. Please let me know how the new set works.
    >


    The new set is very clear, thank you.
    kk

    >
    >
    > Sebastian
    >
    >

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  16. Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net

    Hi,

    On Thursday 13 March 2008 23:00, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
    > Therefore
    > http://wnpp.debian.net/
    > is no longer a HTTP redirect but


    Great!

    > Since the page has reached a "stable" state
    > I would like to ask if there is a chance
    > to point to it from somewhere on
    > http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/


    Which is linked from http://qa.debian.org/

    I think normally debian.net sites are not linked from debian.org addresses,
    except from people.d.o or wiki.d.o, so for now I've added a link to
    wnpp.debian.net on wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org.

    And I'm sending this mail so this can be discussed in the QA team :-)

    I find wnpp.debian.net much more useful than those lists like
    http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned ;-)


    regards,
    Holger

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