Am Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2005 13:35 schrieb EmIscA:
> Today I tried to simulate a dist-upgrade (on sid) with synaptic. These
> are the packages (depending on my package selection) that seem to
> require the transition:
>
> - digikam
> - kipi-plugins (related to digikam)
> - inkscape (conflicts with aptitude, I think for some dependences)
> - kile-i18n (kile is updated)
> - kompose (transitioned in amd64, I think others will follow)
> - lyx-qt (depends on libaiksaurus1.2-0 and not libaiksaurus1.2-0c2a, bug
> filled)
> - pingus-data (pingus is updated, but not pingus-data)
>
> This list is only to give a little overview of the transition status.
> Bye

I find it worse that ftp-master messes around in testing like hell :-(
WHY did they remove kaffeine from testing when it's only available for c2a in
SID?
Same goes for konq-plugins! Anybody knows what's going on, here? ftp-master
gone nuts?

HS


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* Hendrik Sattler [Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:24:41 +0100]:

> I find it worse that ftp-master messes around in testing like hell :-(

Just fyi, the testing distribution is competece of the release team,
not of ftp-masters.

> Anybody knows what's going on, here? ftp-master gone nuts?

Do. Not. Insult. Developers.

> WHY did they remove kaffeine from testing when it's only available for c2a in
> SID?
> Same goes for konq-plugins!

The testing distribution is not an easy thing to manage, I can tell
you that. Competent people are in charge of it, so you shouldn't have
_any_ doubts that if a package gets removed from there, it is
certainly not to annoy users like you, but because (a) it's the only
solution that is left to allow a bigger chunk of packages to enter
testing, (b) the package is very buggy.

Anyway, you can find previous versions of kaffeine, that should
work fine in testing, here:

http://snapshot.debian.net/package/kaffeine


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Am Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2005 17:54 schrieb Adeodato Simó:
> The testing distribution is not an easy thing to manage, I can tell
> you that. Competent people are in charge of it, so you shouldn't have
> _any_ doubts that if a package gets removed from there, it is
> certainly not to annoy users like you, but because (a) it's the only
> solution that is left to allow a bigger chunk of packages to enter
> testing, (b) the package is very buggy.

Neither is the case with kaffeine in mind. It's not a lib, dependencies are
not too tight, and it's already recompiled for c2a in Sid and could be pushed
to testing with the rest of whatever when that's due.
And I seriously hope they do not remove packages because of one unconfirmed
bug with status grave (#336306).

Anyway, I hereby ask the maintainer for the reason of the removal and after
all, _he_ should know.
I'd like to have some insight about the decisions that lead to package removal
far before a new version drops down and even farther from a release.

HS

* Hendrik Sattler [Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:22:16 +0100]:

> Neither is the case with kaffeine in mind. It's not a lib, dependencies are
> not too tight, and it's already recompiled for c2a in Sid and could be pushed
> to testing with the rest of whatever when that's due.

So? It will get pushed when "the rest it's due", certainly not now
(kdelibs4c2a and its dependencies are not ready).

> Anyway, I hereby ask the maintainer for the reason of the removal and after
> all, _he_ should know.

Or not. (And BTW, testing is a tool for the Release Team to prepare
the next stable release of Debian. This does not mean that users are
not expected to use it, but when they do, they should know that things
like this are expected to happen, the same way uninstallable packages
are expected to happen in sid.)

> I'd like to have some insight about the decisions that lead to package removal
> far before a new version drops down and even farther from a release.

From http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/hints/vorlon:

# 20051029; done 20051030
# bug #328738
remove kaffeine/0.6-1 kaffeine-mozilla/0.4.3.1-1

In other words, grave bug not acted upon by the maintainer in 6 weeks.

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On Thursday 08 December 2005 11:24, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2005 13:35 schrieb EmIscA:
> > Today I tried to simulate a dist-upgrade (on sid) with synaptic. These
> > are the packages (depending on my package selection) that seem to
> > require the transition:
> >
> > - digikam
> > - kipi-plugins (related to digikam)
> > - inkscape (conflicts with aptitude, I think for some dependences)
> > - kile-i18n (kile is updated)
> > - kompose (transitioned in amd64, I think others will follow)
> > - lyx-qt (depends on libaiksaurus1.2-0 and not libaiksaurus1.2-0c2a,
> > bug filled)
> > - pingus-data (pingus is updated, but not pingus-data)
> >
> > This list is only to give a little overview of the transition status.
> > Bye
>
> I find it worse that ftp-master messes around in testing like hell :-(
> WHY did they remove kaffeine from testing when it's only available for
> c2a in SID?
> Same goes for konq-plugins! Anybody knows what's going on, here?
> ftp-master gone nuts?

No, it is that some packages were removed from testing during the last
transition, as their transitioned versions were not ready to move from
unstable to testing, and would therefore either have blocked the whole
transition, or been uninstallable. So instead, they were removed, and will
stay out of testing until the package version in unstable is sufficiently
bug-free to move back into testing, and has all its dependencies satisfied,
built on all architectures, etc.

Since another transition has now started, again blocking packages from
moving from unstable to testing, it probably won't be until after the
current transition is over that testing will be more or less complete
again.

Cheers,
Christopher Martin


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Hendrik Sattler wrote:
> Neither is the case with kaffeine in mind. It's not a lib, dependencies
> are not too tight, and it's already recompiled for c2a in Sid and could be
> pushed to testing with the rest of whatever when that's due.
> And I seriously hope they do not remove packages because of one
> unconfirmed bug with status grave (#336306).

Did you read the bug report (http://bugs.debian.org/328738)? It seems to me
serious enough not to label it as "unconfirmed". Why the bug was not
closed, or why the upload did not happen is another question, which needs
to be answered.

Matej

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(Now, let's do some productive stuff with this thread.)

* EmIscA [Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:35:24 +0100]:

Hi,

> Today I tried to simulate a dist-upgrade (on sid) with synaptic. These
> are the packages (depending on my package selection) that seem to
> require the transition:

Thanks for this information, it's useful to be informed of problems so
that they can be fixed sooner than waiting for us to detect us
themselves.

> - digikam
> - kipi-plugins (related to digikam)

These, together with some other missing packages, should become
available during the weekend.

> - inkscape (conflicts with aptitude, I think for some dependences)

Should be fixed with 0.43-1+b1, yes?

> - kile-i18n (kile is updated)

#342229, will keep an eye.

> - kompose (transitioned in amd64, I think others will follow)

Automatic recompilation failed due to #342622, NMU uploaded, together
with a couple more.

> - lyx-qt (depends on libaiksaurus1.2-0 and not libaiksaurus1.2-0c2a, bug
> filled)

Maintainer contacted and sponsored upload coming soon.

> - pingus-data (pingus is updated, but not pingus-data)

#342231.

> This list is only to give a little overview of the transition status.

Thanks,

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On Thursday 08 December 2005 13:35, EmIscA wrote:
> This list is only to give a little overview of the transition status.
>
Don't forget kimdaba!


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* Georg Prager [Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:41:27 +0100]:

> On Thursday 08 December 2005 13:35, EmIscA wrote:
> > This list is only to give a little overview of the transition status.

> Don't forget kimdaba!

You'll find it in today's mirror pulse. In fact, as of today's mirror
pulse, only the following packages depend on kdelibs4c2 on i386:

digikam
digikamimageplugins
plptools

(will get rebuilt soon)

gambas
potracegui

(have build failures that will have to be investigated)

labplot

(needs transitioned libvtk4-dev)

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On Sunday 11 December 2005 16:41, Georg Prager was heard to say:
> Don't forget kimdaba!

Checking just now, and digikam, kigikamimage, ksocrat, kimdaba,
showimg, celestia, kipi-plugins, superkaramba and tellico are all
listed for removal based on dependency of kdelibs4c2.

I guess I'll wait a few more days.

Ok, not digikam, that's something to do with libkipi0c2 conflicting
with libkipi0. Like I could tell the difference in the dark, ne?

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On Sunday 11 December 2005 23:08, Curt Howland wrote:
> Checking just now, and digikam, kigikamimage, ksocrat, kimdaba,
> showimg, celestia, kipi-plugins, superkaramba and tellico are all
> listed for removal based on dependency of kdelibs4c2.
>
> I guess I'll wait a few more days.

Well, you can always get the source and recompile it yourself. That's what I
did for digikam, kipi-plugins, digikamimageplugins and tellico.

Jan

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