Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows - Debian

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  1. Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows

    Hi all!

    I've switched on the (experimental) transluncency option in Control Center ->
    Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Translucency. Works quite OK after minor
    adjustments to xorg.conf and looks really nifty. Thanks for the packaging
    effort, btw!

    There are two issues and I'm wondering whether anybody else can share some
    insight:

    - It appears that with translucency turned on, i.e. kompmgr running, and all
    other things unchanged to the best of my knowledge, some icons (laptop
    battery power and knemo) in the systray go missing. Control Center -> KDE
    Components -> Service Manager tells me they're running, but the systray icons
    are just not there. Anybody else seeing this?

    - The X server crashed earlier on, but I was multitasking and can't reproduce
    it. Which is the best way to gather some debugging info, given that kdm
    restarts the crashed X server thus overwriting /var/log/Xorg.0.log and
    ~/.xsession-errors? It seems as if /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old is helpful, but is
    there anything else? Further, should bugs be filed against the X server or
    kwin/kompmgr? Or rather not at all given that this feature is marked as
    experimental?

    Regards,
    Georg

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  2. Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows

    On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 04:54:17PM +0200, Georg Wittenburg wrote:
    > I've switched on the (experimental) transluncency option in Control Center ->
    > Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Translucency. Works quite OK after minor
    > adjustments to xorg.conf and looks really nifty. Thanks for the packaging
    > effort, btw!
    >
    > There are two issues and I'm wondering whether anybody else can share some
    > insight:
    >
    > - It appears that with translucency turned on, i.e. kompmgr running, and all
    > other things unchanged to the best of my knowledge, some icons (laptop
    > battery power and knemo) in the systray go missing. Control Center -> KDE
    > Components -> Service Manager tells me they're running, but the systray icons
    > are just not there. Anybody else seeing this?



    Yes, tried it yesterday and had the same phenomenon. Every tray icon
    was missing except for Klipper (clipboard tool).



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  3. Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows

    On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 12:00:28PM +0200, Michelasso wrote:
    > On 9/13/05, Georg Wittenburg wrote:
    > > Hi all!
    > >
    > > I've switched on the (experimental) transluncency option in Control Center ->
    > > Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Translucency. Works quite OK after minor
    > > adjustments to xorg.conf and looks really nifty. Thanks for the packaging
    > > effort, btw!

    > I was curious to try this feature after reding your mail, ando I
    > turned on that option too. Unfoturnately I can see non translucency
    > effect at all, so I am guessing that maybe it is caused by my
    > xorg.conf. What exactly have you put/changed in it?


    Did you restart your xserver after turning the translucency options on?

    Add these lines to your xorg.conf and then restart your xserver:

    Section "Extensions"
    Option "Composite" "Enable"
    EndSection


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  4. Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows

    On Wednesday 14 September 2005 12:45, Joerg Rieger wrote:
    > On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 12:00:28PM +0200, Michelasso wrote:
    > > On 9/13/05, Georg Wittenburg wrote:
    > > > Hi all!
    > > >
    > > > I've switched on the (experimental) transluncency option in Control
    > > > Center -> Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Translucency. Works quite OK
    > > > after minor adjustments to xorg.conf and looks really nifty. Thanks for
    > > > the packaging effort, btw!

    > >
    > > I was curious to try this feature after reding your mail, ando I
    > > turned on that option too. Unfoturnately I can see non translucency
    > > effect at all, so I am guessing that maybe it is caused by my
    > > xorg.conf. What exactly have you put/changed in it?

    >
    > Did you restart your xserver after turning the translucency options on?
    >
    > Add these lines to your xorg.conf and then restart your xserver:
    >
    > Section "Extensions"
    > Option "Composite" "Enable"
    > EndSection


    As I'm running this on NVidia hardware, I've also added

    Section "Device"
    [...your device settings...]
    Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
    EndSection


    Further, I've found two bugs reports upstream that match my problems:

    http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100020
    -> Has been closed because its the X server that needs fixing.

    http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100177
    -> Valid. Please vote to get your systray icons back!

    Regards,
    Georg

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  5. Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows

    On 9/14/05, Joerg Rieger wrote:

    > Did you restart your xserver after turning the translucency options on?
    >
    > Add these lines to your xorg.conf and then restart your xserver:
    >
    > Section "Extensions"
    > Option "Composite" "Enable"
    > EndSection


    Ok, then this should be the problem: enabling composite extension
    causes a lot of problems to my screen (it is filled with black
    horizontal lines) maybe because of some problems of the proprietary
    ati driver for mi video card (ati mobility radeon x700), so I will
    miss translucency effects still for a while :-)

    Bye

  6. Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows

    I dont have problems with transparencies, but they are horribly slow.

    I have nvidia.ko, and sometimes procesor get some work, but in general
    procesor is low in usage but focus changes takes several seconds.

    The tray icons are just fine, and everything else, but is quite
    unusable for the slownes.

    Max
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  7. Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows

    On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:12 am, garaged wrote:
    > I dont have problems with transparencies, but they are horribly slow.
    >
    > The tray icons are just fine, and everything else, but is quite
    > unusable for the slownes.


    Same experience here too.

    AMD64 3000, nVidia v1.0.7174 drivers, FX5200 video card.

    Debian unstable amd64 port with all the packages for everything.

    Way way too slow to be usable.

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  8. Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows

    John Verhoeven wrote:
    > On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:12 am, garaged wrote:
    >
    >>I dont have problems with transparencies, but they are horribly slow.
    >>
    >>The tray icons are just fine, and everything else, but is quite
    >>unusable for the slownes.

    >
    >
    > Same experience here too.
    >
    > AMD64 3000, nVidia v1.0.7174 drivers, FX5200 video card.
    >
    > Debian unstable amd64 port with all the packages for everything.
    >
    > Way way too slow to be usable.
    >


    Did you enable nvidias render acceleration? My card is the same than
    yours and peformance is good here.

    Check this in xorg.conf:

    Section "Device"
    ...
    Option "RenderAccel" "true"
    Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
    ...
    EndSection


    It's nice to look at, very nice, but be warned: you will see crashes...

    regards,
    Yves


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  9. Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows

    On 9/15/05, John Verhoeven wrote:
    >
    > Same experience here too.
    >
    > AMD64 3000, nVidia v1.0.7174 drivers, FX5200 video card.
    >
    > Debian unstable amd64 port with all the packages for everything.
    >
    > Way way too slow to be usable.




    Works perfectly here for me with
    Debian amd64 (etch), AMD64 3200+, nVidia v1.0.7174 drivers, FX5700LE card,
    and KDE 3.4.2

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  10. Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows

    On Thursday 15 September 2005 03:36, John Verhoeven wrote:
    > On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:12 am, garaged wrote:
    > > I dont have problems with transparencies, but they are horribly slow.
    > >
    > > The tray icons are just fine, and everything else, but is quite
    > > unusable for the slownes.

    >
    > Same experience here too.
    >
    > AMD64 3000, nVidia v1.0.7174 drivers, FX5200 video card.
    >
    > Debian unstable amd64 port with all the packages for everything.
    >
    > Way way too slow to be usable.


    It runs fine here on P4 2.99ghz with 7676 drivers on FX Go5200, speed
    wise. The main problem I have is that my transparencies always slowly
    but surely turn themselves down to 60%, when I try to keep them at 80%.
    I've experienced this since KDE 3.4.0... I actually ended up turning it
    off for all but my putty windows, to avoid some pain.
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  11. Re: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows

    On Tuesday 13 September 2005 16:54, Georg Wittenburg wrote:
    > [...]
    > - The X server crashed earlier on, but I was multitasking and can't
    > reproduce it. Which is the best way to gather some debugging info, given
    > that kdm restarts the crashed X server thus overwriting /var/log/Xorg.0.log
    > and ~/.xsession-errors? It seems as if /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old is helpful,
    > but is there anything else? Further, should bugs be filed against the X
    > server or kwin/kompmgr? Or rather not at all given that this feature is
    > marked as experimental?


    As mentioned before, this turned out to be a problem with Kopete
    (http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100020).

    For what it's worth, the upstream bugreport is at
    https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2594. It's been there since
    February without seeing too much activity. Well, wait and see...

    Regards,
    Georg

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