;-) that happened to me this morning as well (my heart stopped beating for a
while).

Just downgrade kdelibs-data to 4:3.3.2-7 and everything is in place again.
(After that, I restarted kde with /etc/init.d/kdm stop and start).

I found the old kdelibs-data with the apt-get archive, so I just had to
dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.3.2-7_all.deb

and thats it.

Greetings, Tim

Am Donnerstag, 18. August 2005 15:36 schrieb Barney Garrett:
> Hi,
> I'm running SID and have just done an update on my system, unfortunately
> this appears to have broken things. KDE is at 3.3.2-7, I am holding
> kdelibs abd kdelibs-bin untill the rest of the kde progs are updated to
> 3.4.2
>
> The KMenu has no applications in it, there is only bookmarks, quick
> browser, run command, lock session and logout showing
> If I try running kcontrol from a konsole i get WARNING: No K menu group
> with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
> and no icons are shown in the kcontrol window.
>
> I've moved my .kde directorys away so that kde starts fresh but the
> problem doesn't go away.
> I've done some searching but everything I've found doesn't appear to fix
> it. (checking libqt versions and setting XDG_CONFIG_DIRS and
> XDG_DATA_DIRS in the .bashrc)
> Is there anything else I can try or is this a package problem that is
> being worked on?
>
> Many thanks
> Barney
>
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Phew ... I'd not noticed that one getting upgraded.
I didn't have 3.3.2 in my archive but I managed to download it and
everything is fixed again.

Many Thanks

Barney

Tim Ruehsen wrote:
> ;-) that happened to me this morning as well (my heart stopped beating for a
> while).
>
> Just downgrade kdelibs-data to 4:3.3.2-7 and everything is in place again.
> (After that, I restarted kde with /etc/init.d/kdm stop and start).
>
> I found the old kdelibs-data with the apt-get archive, so I just had to
> dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.3.2-7_all.deb
>
> and thats it.
>
> Greetings, Tim
>
> Am Donnerstag, 18. August 2005 15:36 schrieb Barney Garrett:
>
>>Hi,
>>I'm running SID and have just done an update on my system, unfortunately
>>this appears to have broken things. KDE is at 3.3.2-7, I am holding
>>kdelibs abd kdelibs-bin untill the rest of the kde progs are updated to
>>3.4.2
>>
>>The KMenu has no applications in it, there is only bookmarks, quick
>>browser, run command, lock session and logout showing
>>If I try running kcontrol from a konsole i get WARNING: No K menu group
>>with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
>>and no icons are shown in the kcontrol window.
>>
>>I've moved my .kde directorys away so that kde starts fresh but the
>>problem doesn't go away.
>>I've done some searching but everything I've found doesn't appear to fix
>>it. (checking libqt versions and setting XDG_CONFIG_DIRS and
>>XDG_DATA_DIRS in the .bashrc)
>>Is there anything else I can try or is this a package problem that is
>>being worked on?
>>
>>Many thanks
>>Barney
>>
>>
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Barney Garrett wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm running SID and have just done an update on my system,
> unfortunately this appears to have broken things. KDE is at 3.3.2-7,
> I am holding kdelibs abd kdelibs-bin untill the rest of the kde progs
> are updated to 3.4.2
>
Hi,
please read this
http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2.../msg00089.html . You should
avoid upgrading KDE stuffs until the mail from the KDE mantainers

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Hi Marco,

> > I am holding kdelibs abd kdelibs-bin untill the rest of the kde progs
> > are updated to 3.4.2

> http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2.../msg00089.html . You should
> avoid upgrading KDE stuffs until the mail from the KDE mantainers

The document says 'do apt-get upgrade' and/or hold kdelibs4. It did not
mention kdelibs-data. This is why Barney and me rushed into that problem.
Ok, maybe I have still been in sleep mode ;-)

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* Tim Ruehsen [Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:21:12 +0200]:

> The document says 'do apt-get upgrade' and/or hold kdelibs4. It did not
> mention kdelibs-data. This is why Barney and me rushed into that problem.

Correct. There is a _real_ bug here, #323747, that will be fixed in
the next upload.

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Sorry, could you elaborate on how you did an apt-get of an older
version of the .deb file? I am in exactly the same boat - I just
downgraded to testing, and kcontrol shows up with no icons at all.


On 8/18/05, Tim Ruehsen wrote:
> ;-) that happened to me this morning as well (my heart stopped beating for a
> while).
>
> Just downgrade kdelibs-data to 4:3.3.2-7 and everything is in place again..
> (After that, I restarted kde with /etc/init.d/kdm stop and start).
>
> I found the old kdelibs-data with the apt-get archive, so I just had to
> dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.3.2-7_all.deb
>
> and thats it.
>
> Greetings, Tim
>
> Am Donnerstag, 18. August 2005 15:36 schrieb Barney Garrett:
> > Hi,
> > I'm running SID and have just done an update on my system, unfortunately
> > this appears to have broken things. KDE is at 3.3.2-7, I am holding
> > kdelibs abd kdelibs-bin untill the rest of the kde progs are updated to
> > 3.4.2
> >
> > The KMenu has no applications in it, there is only bookmarks, quick
> > browser, run command, lock session and logout showing
> > If I try running kcontrol from a konsole i get WARNING: No K menu group
> > with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
> > and no icons are shown in the kcontrol window.
> >
> > I've moved my .kde directorys away so that kde starts fresh but the
> > problem doesn't go away.
> > I've done some searching but everything I've found doesn't appear to fix
> > it. (checking libqt versions and setting XDG_CONFIG_DIRS and
> > XDG_DATA_DIRS in the .bashrc)
> > Is there anything else I can try or is this a package problem that is
> > being worked on?
> >
> > Many thanks
> > Barney
> >
> >
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2005/8/22, Alan Ezust :
> Sorry, could you elaborate on how you did an apt-get of an older
> version of the .deb file? I am in exactly the same boat - I just
> downgraded to testing, and kcontrol shows up with no icons at all.

see http://snapshot.debian.net/


Björn

I also uninstalled kde unintentionally. Out of interest, is there an
approximate time when kde will be working in unstable again? I just
need to weigh up whether it is worth me installing it from testing or
not or whether I should wait.

Thanks alot,
Paul

On 8/22/05, Alan Ezust wrote:
> Sorry, could you elaborate on how you did an apt-get of an older
> version of the .deb file? I am in exactly the same boat - I just
> downgraded to testing, and kcontrol shows up with no icons at all.
>
>
> On 8/18/05, Tim Ruehsen wrote:
> > ;-) that happened to me this morning as well (my heart stopped beating for a
> > while).
> >
> > Just downgrade kdelibs-data to 4:3.3.2-7 and everything is in place again.
> > (After that, I restarted kde with /etc/init.d/kdm stop and start).
> >
> > I found the old kdelibs-data with the apt-get archive, so I just had to
> > dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.3.2-7_all.deb
> >
> > and thats it.
> >
> > Greetings, Tim
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, 18. August 2005 15:36 schrieb Barney Garrett:
> > > Hi,
> > > I'm running SID and have just done an update on my system, unfortunately
> > > this appears to have broken things. KDE is at 3.3.2-7, I am holding
> > > kdelibs abd kdelibs-bin untill the rest of the kde progs are updated to
> > > 3.4.2
> > >
> > > The KMenu has no applications in it, there is only bookmarks, quick
> > > browser, run command, lock session and logout showing
> > > If I try running kcontrol from a konsole i get WARNING: No K menu group
> > > with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
> > > and no icons are shown in the kcontrol window.
> > >
> > > I've moved my .kde directorys away so that kde starts fresh but the
> > > problem doesn't go away.
> > > I've done some searching but everything I've found doesn't appear to fix
> > > it. (checking libqt versions and setting XDG_CONFIG_DIRS and
> > > XDG_DATA_DIRS in the .bashrc)
> > > Is there anything else I can try or is this a package problem that is
> > > being worked on?
> > >
> > > Many thanks
> > > Barney
> > >
> > >
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* Squarris [Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:29:50 +0100]:

> I also uninstalled kde unintentionally. Out of interest, is there an
> approximate time when kde will be working in unstable again? I just
> need to weigh up whether it is worth me installing it from testing or
> not or whether I should wait.

I recommend that you install from testing (3.3.2) or alioth (3.4.1).

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On Monday 22 August 2005 02:29 pm, Squarris wrote:
> I also uninstalled kde unintentionally. Out of interest, is there an
> approximate time when kde will be working in unstable again? I just
> need to weigh up whether it is worth me installing it from testing or
> not or whether I should wait.

They said "real soon now" two weeks ago, and then someone just today re-posted
that two-week old message as a news item to draw better attention to it.

Draw your own conclusions from this observation.

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* Silvan [Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:15:59 -0400]:

> On Monday 22 August 2005 02:29 pm, Squarris wrote:
> > I also uninstalled kde unintentionally. Out of interest, is there an
> > approximate time when kde will be working in unstable again? I just
> > need to weigh up whether it is worth me installing it from testing or
> > not or whether I should wait.

> They said "real soon now" two weeks ago,

That was referred to when it would start, not to when would it finish.

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Alan Ezust wrote:

> Sorry, could you elaborate on how you did an apt-get of an older
> version of the .deb file? I am in exactly the same boat - I just
> downgraded to testing, and kcontrol shows up with no icons at all.
>

Just download kdelibs-data_3.3.2-6.1_all.deb from www.debian.org (search
packages).
After download, as root, do:

dpgk -i ./kdelibs-data_3.3.2-6.1_all.deb

from the directory where you put the downloaded file. dpkg will now
downgrade your kde-libs data.
You should be aware however that from then on in you will be bugged about a
broken package, but you'll have a working kde until you can upgrade it
properly.

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On 8/23/05, Jan Schledermann wrote:
> Alan Ezust wrote:
>
> > Sorry, could you elaborate on how you did an apt-get of an older
> > version of the .deb file? I am in exactly the same boat - I just
> > downgraded to testing, and kcontrol shows up with no icons at all.
> >
>
> Just download kdelibs-data_3.3.2-6.1_all.deb from www.debian.org (search
> packages).
> After download, as root, do:
>
> dpgk -i ./kdelibs-data_3.3.2-6.1_all.deb
>

thanks for the tip, those of us not debian gurus suffer with this bugs :-)

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> > I am holding kdelibs abd kdelibs-bin untill the rest of the kde progs
> > are updated to 3.4.2

> http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2.../msg00089.html . You should
> avoid upgrading KDE stuffs until the mail from the KDE mantainers

> The document says 'do apt-get upgrade' and/or hold kdelibs4. It did
> not
> mention kdelibs-data. This is why Barney and me rushed into that
> problem.
> Ok, maybe I have still been in sleep mode ;-)

I was just in sleep mode. Normally I do double checks of version
numbers but I just missed that one.

Barney


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Well, the first reply indicated I should use kdelibs-3.3.2-7.1 but I
couldn't find that one anywhere.

I already had 3.3.2-6.1, but I tried dpkg -i to reinstall both that and
kcontrol, but it had no effect - I am still unable to see any menus inside
kcontrol.

My problem was not related to the KDE menu though - it was related to the
kcontrol menu groups. Any other suggestions on how to get kcontrol items
back after a downgrade?



On 8/23/05, garaged wrote:
>
> On 8/23/05, Jan Schledermann wrote:
> > Alan Ezust wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry, could you elaborate on how you did an apt-get of an older
> > > version of the .deb file? I am in exactly the same boat - I just
> > > downgraded to testing, and kcontrol shows up with no icons at all.
> > >
> >
> > Just download kdelibs-data_3.3.2-6.1_all.deb from www.debian.org(search
> > packages).
> > After download, as root, do:
> >
> > dpgk -i ./kdelibs-data_3.3.2-6.1_all.deb
> >
>
> thanks for the tip, those of us not debian gurus suffer with this bugs :-)
>
> Max
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did that. I still get this message:

kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found !
Defaulting to Settings/

And no items in the KControl menu.

Any other ideas?



On 8/28/05, Josh Metzler wrote:
>
>
> Yes - the important package is kdelibs-data:
>
> > > > dpkg -i ./kdelibs-data_3.3.2-6.1_all.deb
>
> Josh
>
>

On Wednesday 31 August 2005 03:02 pm, Alan Ezust wrote:
> did that. I still get this message:
>
> kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found !
> Defaulting to Settings/
>
> And no items in the KControl menu.
>
> Any other ideas?

Yes, kdebase-data has the same bug and causes all kcontrol entries to
disappear. See bug #325592.

If you still have kdebase-data in apt's archive, you can do this:
dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-data_4%3a3.3.2-1_all.deb

Or, if you have testing in your sources.list, you can do
apt-get install kdebase-data/testing

Otherwise, download kdebase-data_3.3.2-1_all.deb from Debian's website, and
install it using dpkg -i kdebase-data_3.3.2-1_all.deb.

Josh


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Josh Metzler wrote:

>On Wednesday 31 August 2005 03:02 pm, Alan Ezust wrote:
>
>
>>did that. I still get this message:
>>
>>kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found !
>>Defaulting to Settings/
>>
>>And no items in the KControl menu.
>>
>>Any other ideas?
>>
>>
>
>Yes, kdebase-data has the same bug and causes all kcontrol entries to
>disappear. See bug #325592.
>
>
I think I would just like to add here that I have succesfully migrated
to an all 3.4.2 desktop with pure sid packages. A lot of stuff is
missing, like kdepim and I get by with mozilla-thunderbird as my mail
client for now.

The point is that this works for me with absolutely no issues
whatsoever. The K-menu is fully populated and KControl works fine as well.

Anders


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