On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 12:18:15AM +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
> Stephen Gran on Tuesday 18 Jul 2006 22:34 wrote:
>
> > Use a properly confured mail relay as your smarthost.
>
> Can you elaborate a little more on this or provide pointers to docs?

Your description is a little confusing to me (if you're having
problems sending mail, we don't need to hear about how you receive
mail. Just describe the sending part).

But if I understand you correctly then you are directly sending out
mail from your own machine rather than using your ISP's smarthost or
other "proper" outgoing mail relay.

If this interpretation is correct then this approach is doomed to
failure as discussed at length on this list, and you should instead
use your ISP's outgoing mail relay or some other
correctly-configured host that is set up to allow you to relay mail.

Cheers,
Andy

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Stephen Gran on Tuesday 18 Jul 2006 22:34 wrote:

> Use a properly confured mail relay as your smarthost.

Can you elaborate a little more on this or provide pointers to docs?

Thanks,
Ritesh
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"Stealing logic from one person is plagiarism, stealing from many is research."
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Stephen Gran on Tuesday 18 Jul 2006 22:34 wrote:

> Use a properly confured mail relay as your smarthost.

Thanks for pointing out.

I had been too lazy to find about it first. :-)
RTFM worked.

Thanks,
Ritesh
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"Stealing logic from one person is plagiarism, stealing from many is research."
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cannot - rrs"


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On Tuesday 18 July 2006 22:30, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
> Stephen Gran on Tuesday 18 Jul 2006 22:34 wrote:
> > Use a properly confured mail relay as your smarthost.
>
> Thanks for pointing out.
>
> I had been too lazy to find about it first. :-)
> RTFM worked.

Would be nice if you could send a "[SOLVED] Re: blah blah" message mentioning
the steps you took or quoting the documentation you used to resolve the
issues.

Thus, next time someone is in your shoes asking for pointers, the archives
will provide some. Please think of the next.

Cheers

-A


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Ritesh Raj Sarraf on Wednesday 19 Jul 2006 01:00 wrote:

> Stephen Gran on Tuesday 18 Jul 2006 22:34 wrote:
>
>> Use a properly confured mail relay as your smarthost.
>
> Thanks for pointing out.
>
> I had been too lazy to find about it first. :-)
> RTFM worked.
>

It looks like my service provider is not allowing smtp services for my package.
Configuring smarthost, my laptop is able to forward mails to the service
providers host, mail gets sent from my machine but doesn't reach its
destination.

Is it that they are dropping ?
I doubt if there is any other way ?

Ritesh
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"The great are those who achieve the impossible, the petty are those who
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On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 01:00:34PM +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
> It looks like my service provider is not allowing smtp services for my package.
> Configuring smarthost, my laptop is able to forward mails to the
> service providers host, mail gets sent from my machine but doesn't
> reach its destination.
>
> Is it that they are dropping ?

If you have logs from your MTA saying that their MTA accepted it
then ask their support dept. what is going on with it from there.
Until you have those logs, it's a bit premature to guess.

Cheers,
Andy

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Andy Smith on Wednesday 19 Jul 2006 14:34 wrote:

>> Is it that they are dropping ?
>
> If you have logs from your MTA saying that their MTA accepted it
> then ask their support dept. what is going on with it from there.
> Until you have those logs, it's a bit premature to guess.

Yes, my MTA logs say that the remote server (my service providers smtp) accepted
the delivery.

Here's what it looks like:

Jul 19 12:26:43 localhost postfix/smtpd[22035]: connect from ip6-localhost[::1]
Jul 19 12:26:43 localhost postfix/smtpd[22035]: 45F71104091:
client=ip6-localhost[::1]
Jul 19 12:26:43 localhost postfix/cleanup[22038]: 45F71104091:
message-id=<200607191226.42514.rrs@researchut.com>
Jul 19 12:26:43 localhost postfix/qmgr[21802]: 45F71104091:
from=, size=1560, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Jul 19 12:26:43 localhost postfix/smtpd[22035]: disconnect from
ip6-localhost[::1]
Jul 19 12:26:46 localhost postfix/smtp[22039]: 45F71104091:
to=, relay=eforwardct.name-services.com
[216.163.188.58], delay=3, status=sent (250 Ok: queued as 86B0B16E1CE)
Jul 19 12:26:46 localhost postfix/qmgr[21802]: 45F71104091: removed


And here's what it is when not using a smarthost:

Jul 19 21:17:05 localhost postfix/qmgr[23429]: 046EE104091:
from=, size=1578, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Jul 19 21:17:07 localhost postfix/smtp[32071]: connect to
smtp.ins.dell.com[143.166.83.183]: server refused to talk to me:
554-pc-smtp.us.dell.com 554 Connections from this sending hostname Unknown, IP
address of: (port 25)
Jul 19 21:17:11 localhost postfix/smtp[32071]: connect to
smtp2.ins.dell.com[143.166.83.141]: server refused to talk to me:
554-pc-smtp2.us.dell.com 554 Connections from this sending hostname Unknown,
IP address of: 210.18.182.33 are being rejec
ted due to low SenderBase Reputation score (below -2) or due to bad DNS PTR
record for your mail server. Please check your
DNS PTR for 210.18.182.33. Forward and reverse DNS entries must match for
210.18.182.33. Your SenderBase organization: 114
4284. See http://www.senderbase.org/ for more information. (port 25)
Jul 19 21:17:11 localhost postfix/smtp[32071]: 046EE104091:
to=, relay=none, delay=29507, status=
deferred (connect to smtp2.ins.dell.com[143.166.83.141]: server refused to talk
to me: 554-pc-smtp2.us.dell.com 554 Connec
tions from this sending hostname Unknown, IP address of: 210.18.182.33 are being
rejected due to low SenderBase Reputation
score (below -2) or due to bad DNS PTR record for your mail server. Please check
your DNS PTR for 210.18.182.33. Forward a
nd reverse DNS entries must match for 210.18.182.33. Your SenderBase
organization: 1144284. See http://www.senderbase.org/
for more information. )


I think there's nothing much I can do. Probably I should start hunting for a
reliable smtp service provider.

Ritesh
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"Stealing logic from one person is plagiarism, stealing from many is research."
"The great are those who achieve the impossible, the petty are those who
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Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
> Yes, my MTA logs say that the remote server (my service providers smtp) accepted
> the delivery.

Well, Yahoo seems to think that your email is Bulk. ;-) So, I started
looking around and it is easy to see why you are greylisted. There is
no PTR record for your IP address. You are luck to only be greylisted. ;-)

-Jim P.




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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:42:42 -0400, Jim Popovitch
wrote:

> Yahoo seems to think that your email is Bulk. ;-)

I have an old yahoo email address which is constantly inundated with
spam. And not all of it goes to bulk.

Yet when I send real email to that address, it often goes to the bulk
folder.

I plan for the day when I can leave that yahoo address behind ...

John Kelly wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:42:42 -0400, Jim Popovitch
> wrote:
>
>> Yahoo seems to think that your email is Bulk. ;-)
>
> I have an old yahoo email address which is constantly inundated with
> spam. And not all of it goes to bulk.
>
> Yet when I send real email to that address, it often goes to the bulk
> folder.
>
> I plan for the day when I can leave that yahoo address behind ...

I'm not here to advocate on Yahoo's behalf, but I will add that there
are things you can do to make Yahoo work better for you. For me, it
works, and it works well. Yahoo correctly identifies abt 98% of
incoming spam and moves it into Bulk. Sometimes one or two emails make
it into Bulk that perhaps shouldn't (although their can always be
debate on that part), and sometimes one or two spam emails make it into
my inbox. I can deal with 2 or 3 mis-handled emails each day assuming
Yahoo keeps up correctly tagging ~150 each day. If those numbers ever
switch, then I'll leave Yahoo quite promptly. ;-)

Looking at the current thread, I appreciate Yahoo not just accepting
email because it comes from murphy.debian.org.

-Jim P.


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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:16:40 -0400, Jim Popovitch
wrote:

> I can deal with 2 or 3 mis-handled emails each day assuming Yahoo
> keeps up correctly tagging ~150 each day.

To me, it's a waste of time looking thru 100 pieces of spam, porn, and
other garbage, worrying that one or two might be false positives.

Why bother with all that effort?

I reject spam at SMTP time. If there are a few false positives, so
what? Missing an email now and then, is not the end of the world.

We still have telephones, fax machines, etc.

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:28:50 -0400, Jim Popovitch
wrote:

> Of interest, Yahoo just Bulk'ed repies to me from whitelist@verizon.net.
> It is a cruel world. ;-)

That's my point. They use the wrong tests to identify spam. With all
their technology and resources, I believe they do a poor job.

John Kelly wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:28:50 -0400, Jim Popovitch
> wrote:
>
>> Of interest, Yahoo just Bulk'ed repies to me from whitelist@verizon.net.
>> It is a cruel world. ;-)
>
> That's my point. They use the wrong tests to identify spam. With all
> their technology and resources, I believe they do a poor job.

You have a valid point, however there are others who would say that
blocking anything from verizon is the only responsible thing. ;-)

-Jim P.


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