WANTED: Volunteer to Scan Old Programs - CP/M

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  1. Re: WANTED: Volunteer to Scan Old Programs

    Jim Higgins wrote:
    >

    .... snip ...
    >
    > As browsers become more strict you may need to wrap these in
    > and tags.
    >
    > I think your best solution - if you insist on Usenet as your
    > primary route to publishing the info you provide - is to type
    > using hard returns and lines no longer than about 60 characters.


    Usenet is not 'browser' accessed. HTML is not allowed in Usenet
    postings, but is not consistently trapped. Usenet is a plain text
    communications system.

    --
    [mail]: Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
    [page]:
    Try the download section.



    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


  2. Re: WANTED: Volunteer to Scan Old Programs

    --{ roche182@laposte.net a plopι ceci: }--

    > I will write a WS4GOO.BAS, since this Google Groups is the only
    > remaining way to reach all the CP/M users in the World).


    This is no a Google thing. This is a real Usenet group.

    --
    fsp est un boxon innommable: un stalinien n'y retrouvera pas son goulag.
    --{ BP, in fm.divers }--

  3. Re: WANTED: Volunteer to Scan Old Programs






    Converted from file "ASCIGRID.WS4"


    Code Page 850 to UTF-8 -- First try

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    ┌───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬─ ──┬───┬───┬───┐
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    Will it work? (The devil is in the details...)






  4. Re: WANTED: Volunteer to Scan Old Programs

    --{ Mr Emmanuel Roche, France a plopι ceci: }--

    > 2 │ │ ! │ " │ # │ $ │ %
    > │ & │ ' │ ( │ ) │ * │ +
    > │ , │ - │ . │ / │


    Invalid boot segment. Retry with a valid disk.

    --
    fsck, fsck, fsck.
    trois fois, adjugι le crash disque au bofh du fond.

  5. Re: WANTED: Volunteer to Scan Old Programs

    On Mar 20, 1:06 pm, Holger Petersen wrote:
    > But in any case: Do not use 'google'. Some people filter out all
    > messages from any user posting over that system!


    If you are commonly using a variety of desktop systems in different
    locations, none of them owned by you, and all of them providing a
    browser with access to the internet, a Google account is a simple way
    of having everything where you need it wherever you happen to be.

    As far as people killfiling all messages source from google, ce la
    vie.

  6. Re: WANTED: Volunteer to Scan Old Programs

    Mr Emmanuel Roche, France wrote:
    > Code Page 850 to UTF-8 -- Second Try
    >
    > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
    >
    > β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”¬β”€β”€β”€β”¬β”€β”€β”€β”¬β”€β”€β”€β” ¬β”€β”€β”€β”¬β”€β”€β”€β”¬β”€β”€β”€β”¬β”€β”€β”€β”¬β ”€β”€β”€β”¬β”€β”€β”€β”¬β”€β”€β”€β”¬β”€β”€β”€β”¬β”€ ──┬───┬───┬───┐
    > 2 β”‚ β”‚ ! β”‚ " β”‚ # β”‚ $ β”‚ % β”‚ & β”‚ ' β”‚ ( β”‚ ) β”‚ * β”‚ + β”‚ , β”‚ - β”‚ . β”‚ / β”‚
    > β”œβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β” Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€ ──┼───┼───┼────
    > [...]
    > β”œβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β” Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€ ──┼───┼───┼────
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    > β”œβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β” Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€ ──┼───┼───┼────
    > D β”‚ Γ° β”‚ Ð β”‚ Ê β”‚ Γ‹ β”‚ È β”‚ Δ± β”‚ Í β”‚ Î β”‚ Ï β”‚ β”˜ β”‚ β”Œ β”‚ β–ˆ β”‚ β–„ β”‚ Β¦ β”‚ Ì β”‚ β–€ β”‚
    > β”œβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β” Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€ ──┼───┼───┼────
    > E β”‚ Ξ± β”‚ Ξ² β”‚ Ξ“ β”‚ Ο€ β”‚ Ξ£ β”‚ Οƒ β”‚ Β΅ β”‚ Ο„ β”‚ Ξ¦ β”‚ Θ β”‚ Ξ© β”‚ Ξ΄ β”‚ ∞ β”‚ Ο† β”‚ Ο΅ β”‚ ∩ β”‚
    > β”œβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β” Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€ ──┼───┼───┼────
    > F β”‚ ≑ β”‚ Β± β”‚ β‰₯ β”‚ ≀ β”‚ βŒ* β”‚ ⌑ β”‚ Γ· β”‚ β‰ˆ β”‚ Β° β”‚ βˆ™ β”‚ Β· β”‚ √ β”‚ ⁿ β”‚ Β² β”‚ Β³ β”‚ β”‚
    > └───┴───┴───┴───┠΄β”€β”€β”€β”΄β”€β”€β”€β”΄β”€β”€β”€β”΄β”€β”€β”€β”΄β ”€β”€β”€β”΄β”€β”€β”€β”΄β”€β”€β”€β”΄β”€β”€β”€β”΄β”€ β”€β”€β”΄β”€β”€β”€β”΄β”€β”€β”€β”΄β”€β”€β”€β”˜
    >
    >
    > 0...+....1....+....2....+....3....+....4....+....5 ....+....6....+....
    > 7....+....8
    >
    > Will is finally work? THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPED OVER THE LAZY DOG --
    > 0123456789
    >
    >
    > EOF


    It looks readable in Thunderbird. What do you want to know exactly ?
    Btw. ... it's just a table with the IBM PC character set.

    Regards
    Peter

  7. Re: WANTED: Volunteer to Scan Old Programs

    wrote in message news:c83cc162-b3c3-41a7-baa9-87365d2009b9@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
    > Me, I am now using Google to read the comp.os.cpm Newsgroup (the
    > cybercafe that I use deleted the newsreader that I was using from the
    > hard disk of my machine).


    Ask them to install a newsreader. If the cybercafe has computers with the Microsoft Windows operating system installed, look at Start, Programs menu as there still might might be a program you can use to post to Usenet newsgroups. Programs that can be used to post Usenet newsgroup messages (newsserver account required, of course), are for example Outlook Express, Mozilla Thunderbird, and Forte Agent. You should also be able to post to Usenet newsgroups with Opera 8, Opera 9 and Netscape 7.1, but I haven't tested them. For example Outlook Express 6 and Mozilla Thunderbird 2 are well-known applications and really should be available in cybercafes. Many cybercafes I have visited here in Finland have the Windows 2000 and/or Windows XP operating system. Both of those Windows operating systems should have at least Outlook Express equipped with them.

    For example with my news.datemas.de newsserver account (free, requires registration) I was able to post this message with Outlook Express:

    http://groups.google.com/group/misc....94269c83417114

    And with my News.Individual.NET newsserver account (10 euros per year) I was able to post this message with Outlook Express:

    http://groups.google.com/group/misc....7fff0b9f6785e9

    So, with a newsserver account (news.datemas.de, News.Individual.NET, or some other account) you should be able to post to Usenet newsgroups from various cybercafes (I haven't tested that for a while).

    Info about news.datemas.de and News.Individual.NET:

    http://news.datemas.de/
    http://www.individual.net/

    > I noticed several times that Google Groups return the end of my ASCII
    > files to the beginning, before reaching the CR/LF pair, long before
    > reaching the right side.
    >
    > However, when I type a message (like right now), Google accepts lines
    > until they reach the right end, and this is clearly more than 80
    > columns.


    In Google Groups in year 2004 according to my tests, the longest line with spaces without getting wrapped was 71 characters:

    http://groups.google.com/group/Group...54b8dcf4490d1c

    > So, is anybody out there who has any idea how to let Google Groups
    > displays correctly my ASCII messages?


    1) Don't use lines longer than 71 characters in Google Groups when posting to Usenet newsgroups (or to Google Groups discussion groups).

    2) You could create a Google Groups discussion group (free) and upload your files to the Files section of the group. There are limits with file sizes.

    3) You could create a your own personal Google Page Creator website (free) and upload your files to your own website. There are limits with file sizes.

    > If I just needed to add one line of HTML code at the beginning, so
    > that 80-columns lines of fixed space characters would display
    > correctly tables (or ASCII graphics), it would help, both you (to read
    > the original texts) and me (I am annoyed by this problem with the
    > display of texts that I spend so much time preparing).


    You have understood something incorrectly about HTML and Google Groups: you can not use HTML in your posts when you post a message with the Google Groups web interface, because HTML will be shown as is, with no effects (that is, no extra font sizes, text colors, animations, music, etc.).

    But you can send email to a Google Groups discussion group (but not to a Usenet newsgroup) and use some HTML tags according to my tests in year 2007 (click the links in the test summary message to see the test messages):

    http://groups.google.com/group/Group...42657280049189

    With Google Groups you can post a Code Page 850 table, which might not be perfect:

    http://groups.google.com/group/misc....e4ba458b62a274

    But with Outlook Express 6, you can use longer lines, maximum length in this test post is 132 characters:

    http://groups.google.com/group/misc....50cd195b4d573f
    http://groups.google.com/group/misc....f?dmode=source

    And with Mozilla Thunderbird 2 I was able to post a message with even more lines (I tested with a 663 characters per line setting):

    http://groups.google.com/group/misc....a9372fc906ee36
    http://groups.google.com/group/misc....6?dmode=source

    And here's my unofficial Google Groups FAQ, in case you might be interested:

    http://gpsgfaq.googlepages.com/groups_faq.html


  8. Re: WANTED: Volunteer to Scan Old Programs

    Hello, Tomi!

    First, thank you very, very much for such a long reply. It is obvious
    that you spent some time researching it.

    As you may have seen, I think that my WS4-to-UTF File Converter is
    nearly finished.

    Once I am sure that it translates correctly "Code Page 850" characters
    to UTF-8, I will add it to WS4HTM.BAS, so as to be able to use bold,
    italics, superscripts, subscripts, pre, and links (WordStar manages
    indexes and tables of Contents.).

    I have a question: Do you know why, technically, you can have lines
    longer than 70 columns, but not me? (I could write a WS4to-78 columns
    program.)

    Yours Sincerely,
    Mr Emmanuel Roche, France


  9. Re: WANTED: Volunteer to Scan Old Programs

    "Mr Emmanuel Roche, France" wrote in message
    news:7e561034-d061-49c5-bf54-6e35f9537776@v32g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
    > Hello, Tomi!
    >
    > First, thank you very, very much for such a long reply. It is obvious
    > that you spent some time researching it.
    >
    > As you may have seen, I think that my WS4-to-UTF File Converter is
    > nearly finished.
    >
    > Once I am sure that it translates correctly "Code Page 850" characters
    > to UTF-8, I will add it to WS4HTM.BAS, so as to be able to use bold,
    > italics, superscripts, subscripts, pre, and links (WordStar manages
    > indexes and tables of Contents.).
    >
    > I have a question: Do you know why, technically, you can have lines
    > longer than 70 columns, but not me? (I could write a WS4to-78 columns
    > program.)


    As you may have noticed, in Google Groups for a message, you can click the
    "More options" link. Then you can click the "Show original" link. If you
    click the "More options" link and then the "Show original" link in my
    message in Google Groups in this discussion thread, you should see this
    kind of Usenet newsgroup header:

    "X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138"

    Link to the original format of the message in Google Groups here:

    http://groups.google.com/group/comp....e?dmode=source

    That means, I have posted the message with Microsoft Outlook Express 6
    (more accurate version info in the quoted header above). So, instead of
    using Google Groups, use Outlook Express 6, Mozilla Thunderbird 2, Opera
    9, or some other client program capable to post to a Usenet newsgroup
    (including comp.os.cpm) with a Usenet newsserver account. With Google
    Groups there is a limit with the line length and that line length limit
    can't be changed in Google Groups settings, because there is no setting in
    Google Groups for the line length.



  10. Re: WANTED: Volunteer to Scan Old Programs

    *Mr Emmanuel Roche, France* wrote on Mon, 08-04-07 15:07:
    >Do you know why, technically, you can have lines longer than 70 columns,
    >but not me? (I could write a WS4to-78 columns program.)


    There is no line limit. There was a move towards using "endless" lines,
    i.e. whole paragraphs in one line, Windows style. The advantage of this
    is, that each viewer can choose the length he finds most comfortable to
    read, but it has not caught in the Usenet.

    Most readers give you the option of breaking long lines to window width
    and all let you choose a line length at which they break your typing
    automatically. The recommended length is somewhere around 68 to 72
    characters, though I make sure that my viewers can display 80 without
    "comb" artefacts.

    Now you have decided not to use a reader but instead let Google make
    all thoses choices for you. It's your decision, don't moan to us about
    it.

    --
    Tschφ wa
    Axel


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