On Jan 18, 12:31*am, "Fred J. Scipione"
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> > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:06:35 -0800, glen herrmannsfeldt
> > wrote:
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> >>MikeS wrote:
>
> >>(snip)
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> >>> So, you're saying that if I tell the CP/M CCP to "run" a program
> >>> written in Z-80 assembly language by typing its name, it would *not*
> >>> run it quite well (assuming, of course, that it was runnable)?
>
> >>> I was indeed under the impression that one could in fact run Z-80
> >>> code
> >>> on a CP/M (as opposed to, say, CP/M86) system, since it would most
> >>> likely also be using a Z-80; apparently I was mistaken and my
> >>> recollections of having done so many times in the past 30 years or
> >>> so
> >>> are faulty.
>
> >>My understanding is that CP/M uses only 8080 instructions, and so can
> >>run on an 8080. *If one is distributing programs for all CP/M users,
> >>they should not use Z80 only instructions. *Most likely using a
> >>Z80 means that there is still a possibility that it isn't.
>
> > For example me. *I know other ruunning PT Sol (8080) and I have an
> > Netronics Exporer 8085 (8085 is basically 8080) so there are two
> > non Z80 systems. *I also have a few system I made for myself
> > just to use some of the *8085s I have laying about and they run CP/M.
>
> > So CP/M usually means 8080 or any compatable 8080 cpu it does
> > not mean universally Z80 though probability is high.
>
> > Allison
>
> >>-- glen
>
> In addition, some CP/M machines with Z80 CPUs could not run
> all Z80 user programs. *That happened when the CBIOS author
> assumed that, since CP/M was designed for the 8080, any and
> all extra Z80 features should be exclusively available for
> the CBIOS. *The CONKEY CBIOS went through some revisions to
> add preservation of the index registers across CBIOS calls
> and interrupt servicing.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

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Now _that_ I didn't know; I took it as a given that trying to run Z80
code implied having a Z80 (or emulator) to run it on, but I did think
that whether CP/M itself was meant to run on an 8080 or a Z80 didn't
matter.

Nevertheless, considering that most CP/M systems are probably running
Z80 code (and, conversely, that, at least in our community, most Z80
code is probably running under CP/M), to say that the statement "CP/M
runs Z80 code quite well" is "wrong" is just being provocative.

And by the same token his statement that a Z80 will run Z80 code
regardless of the OS is equally wrong if not more so, unless that code
contains no OS calls whatsoever.

UNCLE!

mike

Found this on the Internet, but I don't speak German...

If I have well understood, this is a German school which was using
COMAL 2.2 on PCs.

Could someone ask them (in German: I wrote them a message in English,
but they don't seem to understand) a copy of this rarity?

Yours Sincerely,
Mr Emmanuel Roche


Schulrechenzentrum ** (SURZ) Fritz-Steinhoff-Gesamtschule Hagen
COMAL 2.2

Die Datei COMAL.ZIP enthält die Dateien, die zum Arbeiten mit COMAL
notwendig sind, in einer gepackten Datei.

Diese Version ist eine Schulversion der Fritz-Steinhoff-Schule. Jeder
Schüler darf diese Version für seine Ausbildungszwecke benutzen. Es
ist nicht erlaubt, diese Version weiterzugeben oder sogar gewerblich
zu benutzen.
Diese Datei Comal.Zip ist über unseren Web-Server erhältlich.

Schüler und Schülerinnen der FSG erhalten bei ihren Informatiklehrern
ein Passwort, mit dem auf diesem Server der Zugang zu Comal
freigeschaltet werden kann.
Dort liegen die gepackte Version von Comal und eine Text-Datei
(comal.txt), die erklärt, wie das Programm auf dem eigenen PC
installiert werden kann.

Wie installiere ich das System:
Man hole vom Server der FSG die Datei COMAL.ZIP und die
Beschreibungsdatei COMAL.TXT auf eine Diskette. Ebenso hole man vom
Server aus dem PUB-Bereich das Programm PKUNZIP.EXE, falls man es noch
nicht hat bzw. nicht über die entsprechenden Windows- Programme WINZIP
o.ä. verfügt.

Mit dem PKUNZIP.EXE-Programm werden die Dateien entpackt. Dazu gehe
man auf dem Zielcomputer auf die DOS-Ebene:

auf den Windoof-Maschinen in ein Dos-Fenster wechseln (Start/Programme/
MSDOS ´klicken´) oder fahre bei den Win9x/ME-Maschinen Windows
herunter mit:
Nach MSDOS gehen.

auf den Linux-Kisten in einer Konsole den Dos-Emulator DOS aufrufen
oder
in X-Window (z.B. in KDE) in einer Terminalemulation XDOS aufrufen.

Man erzeuge auf dem 'heimischen' Computer ein Verzeichnis, in dem die
COMAL-Dateien gespeichert werden sollen, z.B. \SPRACHEN\COMAL

(für DOS-unkundige: Führe folgende Befehle aus:

c:
cd \
md sprachen
cd sprachen
md comal
cd comal)


Befinden sich die Dateien COMAL.ZIP und PKUNZIP.EXE auf der Diskette
im aktuellen Verzeichnis
(Testen mit DIR a:, dann müssen diese beiden Dateien aufgelistet
werden, ansonsten mit a: auf das Laufwerk wechseln und gegebenenfalls
mit CD \comal in das entsprechende Verzeichnis wechseln, anschliessend
mit c: wieder auf die Festplatte gehen.),
werden die Dateien mit

A:PKUNZIP A:COMAL (Grossschreibung muss nicht sein!)

auf die Festplatte kopiert. (Überprüfe mit DIR c: )

Wie führe ich dieses Programm aus:

* Man 'gehe' auf dem Rechner auf die DOS-Ebene. (siehe oben)
* Man wechsle in das Comal-Verzeichnis z.B. mit

c:
cd \sprachen\comal

* Dann starte man das Programm mit COMAL.

Bei Fragen frage man ganz ungeniert psa!

Schulrechenzentrum (SURZ)
Fritz-Steinhoff-Gesamtschule
Am Bügel 20
58099 Hagen
Tel: 02331/963411 Fax: 02331/65073
E-Mail: psa@fsg-hagen.de

Stand: 26.1.2002/psa

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Searching again, I found a "comal" directory at this German Web
site...

but it contains only the instructions already found! Aaarrrggghhh!!!

http://www.fsg.hagen.de/download/inf/comal/

So, we really need a German-speaking CP/M fan.

Yours Sincerely,
Mr Emmanuel Roche

Several years ago, I got an answer in German from a:

Arno.Pasternak@Hagen.de

Maybe he is still around? He seemed to know that "hagen" was using
COMAL.

Yours Sincerely,
Mr Emmanuel Roche

Hello.

roche182@laposte.net wrote in message
<7dd9eca9-a5b7-4a49-89a5-de6d8cf0eae9@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com>...
>Searching again, I found a "comal" directory at this German Web
>site...
>
>but it contains only the instructions already found! Aaarrrggghhh!!!
>
>http://www.fsg.hagen.de/download/inf/comal/
>
>So, we really need a German-speaking CP/M fan.
>
>Yours Sincerely,
>Mr Emmanuel Roche
>

You need a password for downloading COMAL. Besides that, it is only meant for
the students, who are not allowed to pass the comal package to others.

Greetz, Katzy.

*roche182* wrote on Fri, 08-01-18 11:03:
>Found this on the Internet, but I don't speak German...

No you didn't, I sent it to you.

>Could someone ask them (in German: I wrote them a message in English,
>but they don't seem to understand) a copy of this rarity?

When I spoke (emailed) to the man in charge, he seemed very helpful. I
don't know what you did to offend him, but it seems to be a knack
you've honed to perfection.

--
Tschö wa
Axel

On Jan 18, 5:11*am, roche...@laposte.net wrote:
> Searching again, I found a "comal" directory at this German Web
> site...
>
> but it contains only the instructions already found! Aaarrrggghhh!!!
>
> http://www.fsg.hagen.de/download/inf/comal/
>
> So, we really need a German-speaking CP/M fan.
>
> Yours Sincerely,
> Mr Emmanuel Roche

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Well, I'm a German-speaking CP/M fan, but after your condescending
lecture about this being a CP/M newsgroup I don't dare talk about an
MS-DOS program...

You need a password.

m

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:13:13 UTC, roche182@laposte.net wrote:

> Several years ago, I got an answer in German from a:
>
> Arno.Pasternak@Hagen.de
>
> Maybe he is still around? He seemed to know that "hagen" was using
> COMAL.
>
> Yours Sincerely,
> Mr Emmanuel Roche
>

I only found

http://oldcomputers.dyndns.org/publi.../cpm/comal/inf
o.html

but I think it's a demo version

--
Greetings

Fritz Chwolka

Hello Fritz,

"Fritz Chwolka" schrieb:

>I only found
>
>http://oldcomputers.dyndns.org/publi.../cpm/comal/inf
>o.html
>
>but I think it's a demo version

Emmanuel looks for MS-DOS a Version of COMAL.

The CP/M-80 Version COMAL look by Peter Schorn Homepage.

Rolf