08-22-2008, 04:27 AM
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 Re: Seagate 7200.11 High Failure Rate
"Arno Wagner" wrote in message
news:6h6vqaFji34kU1@mid.individual.net...
> Previously Tony wrote:
>
>> "Andrew Hamilton" wrote in message
>> news:moaqa4pqa0n5ponmii723kscmjn0dag25f@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:59:42 -0500, "Tony" wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>> drives.
>>>>>
>>>>> No offense but either something in your system is killing them or I am
>>>>> calling
>>>>> shennanigans on this one.
>>>>
>>>>Go read the NewEgg forums. I'm not the only one experiencing the high
>>>>failure rate. I have put all kinds of SATA and PATA drives in my machine
>>>>without a hitch. It's only the latest Seagate ones I'm getting that are
>>>>failing. It doesn't matter whether they get attached to the RAID card or
>>>>the
>>>>motherboard SATA, they just go away quickly/immediately: the last one I
>>>>received logged reallocated sectors IMMEDIATELY. Here are a FEW of
>>>>MANY similar experiences with these drives logged recently at NewEgg:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Right now I'm running four Seagate 7200.? 320 GB models in my Antec
>>> P180 case, with zero problems. But my digital photo library is
>>> growing so fast that I thought I should upgrade one or two of the
>>> drives to 1 TB.
>>>
>>> I was all set to order two of the Seagate 7200.11 1 TB drives, UNTIL I
>>> read those same reports. Now I won't.
>>>
>>> To all the people blaming the OP for being problem, just spend some
>>> time on the egghead site and read product reviews. Most are pretty
>>> positive, or point out a few design flaws. It's rare that you read
>>> about product _failure rates_.
>
>> Not true. Upwards of 40% of the posts are negative (most of those "very
>> poor" rating because of failures/DOA) for the 320 GB 7200.11.
>
>>>
>>> The fact that so many people are reporting problems IS statistically
>>> significant. What the cause is, I don't know and I suspect Seagate
>>> engineers do know and are struggling to fix it.
>
>> I got notice today that they are sending me yet another 2 drives to
>> replace
>> the most recent failures. They were supposed to contact me to find a
>> better
>> solution but maybe the warranty replacement process happens separately
>> from
>> the discussions that are had with the technicians.
>
> I think you will just have to cut your losses and move to a
> different brand. My main reason for reading this group is to
> get an impression of what is reliable at a particular time
> and what is not. With margins being so low, it is not surprise
> that the manufacturers are taking turns screwing up. In addition
> there are those disks, that are reliable when handled carefully,
> but have issues like heat sensitivity (older Maxtors come to
> mind).
I know that. I use myself as a guinee pig.
>
> Currently Seagate is messes up, as thay moved a lot of manufacturing
> to China. China has huge quality issues, because of cultural
> issues. Quite a few manufacturing companies in other felds are
> pulling out of China again because of that. Others had to
> install their own, non-chinese, quality controll staff.
> Unfortunately management is often just stupid and often
> does not know when exactly to stop trying to cut costs, because
> it starts to have serious negative impact on business. Come
> to think of it, Seagate recently started offering data recovery
> services. Looks to me at least part of the company knew
> what manufacturing in China would actually do. Not that I see
> anything malicious here, just incompetence and greed.
I test as a consumer, I won't put one of Seagate's drive in any of my "white
boxes".
Tony
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