 Re: Problem with network(card)?
"Lord Turkey Cough" wrote in message
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>>> On Jun 30, 11:49 pm, "Lord Turkey Cough" wrote:
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>>>> > Hi, I am not to sure where to start but here goes.
>>>>
>>>> > I while back I bought a realtek network card for and old computer to
>>>> > connect it to my new computer which runs XP, the new computer already
>>>> > had
>>>> > a network card but I had to buy and fit one for the old one which
>>>> > runs
>>>> > windows98, it was a bit of a struggle installing it, it was a ,
>>>> > I had problems getting the right driver but I got there in the end
>>>> > (somehow) and eventually managed to conect my two computers so I
>>>> > could
>>>> > share files etc.
>>>>
>>>> > Anyway I stopped using that computer but I tried to use it again
>>>> > recently.
>>>> > I had a few problems, one of the drives (slave) was not working and I
>>>> > booted up with just the master (I thought that had failed at that
>>>> > point
>>>> > too).
>>>> > Anyway, I think it said something that it could not find drivers for
>>>> > the
>>>> > network card or something like that, but I kind of ignored it and
>>>> > booted
>>>> > up and tried to connect the two computers as before via a
>>>> > 'cross-over'
>>>> > cable.
>>>> > It did not seem to work as before, I could not see the old computer
>>>> > from
>>>> > my new computer (view network or whatever) however it recogises a
>>>> > connection and if I unplug the cable from the the old computer or
>>>> > switch
>>>> > it off it reports a network connection as missing or something like
>>>> > that
>>>> > "local area conection" "A network cable is unplugged" is the exact
>>>> > message
>>>> > actually.
>>>> > I plug it back in and it says "local area connection speed 100 MPS
>>>> > status connected."
>>>> > It says all that on the new computer, the XP but it says nothing on
>>>> > the
>>>> > old one, the win98 one which has the realtec card i bought in.
>>>>
>>>> > It does not seem to know much about the card at all in fact, I seem
>>>> > to
>>>> > remember it used to be listed in System - Device Manager, but it does
>>>> > not
>>>> > seem to be there anymore.
>>>>
>>>> > I seem to remember it being listed there with yellow mark by it when
>>>> > it
>>>> > had the wrong drivers, maybe in 'network adaptors' I can't remember
>>>> > too
>>>> > well. Eventually I sorted out the drivers and it worked.
>>>>
>>>> > I think possibly what might have happened is that I put the drivers
>>>> > on
>>>> > the slave drive which now longer there as it is broken,
>>>>
>>>> > If I click on - control panel - network, it says the following
>>>> > componets
>>>> > are installed, one of them is Realtek RTL8129, it comes up twice I
>>>> > think.
>>>> > Note it is not quite RTL8139D.
>>>>
>>>> > Anyway can anyone give me any advice?
>>>>
>>>> > Is my card working?
>>>>
>>>> > Should it be listed in the device manager?
>>>>
>>>> > If so why is it not there?
>>>>
>>>> > Did I maybe tell it to ignore the card at some point?
>>>>
>>>> > I tried taking out the card and putting it back in, rebooting with no
>>>> > card
>>>> > in between, but it never said new hardware detected.
>>>>
>>>> > Incidently when I first booted up (after not using the computer for
>>>> > along
>>>> > time) I think it did say new hardware detect and maybe that it could
>>>> > not
>>>> > find the drivers, I am not sure, I ignored that message at that
>>>> > point, but
>>>> > I thouogh it odd.
>>>> > Maybe could not find the drivers because a driver was missing but I
>>>> > though
>>>> > it could have copied them into the system folder anyway.
>>>>
>>>> > Help!!!-
>>>
>>> you could bypass all of this thought by just reinstalling the drivers.
>>>
>>> its seems your problem is how to do this, since your network card is
>>> not listed in device manager.
>>>
>>> I don't have a windows 98 system with a network card here to try this
>>> with.. Though I have done it before without running into any problems.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would have expected that if the network card is in there, then one
>>> would either get it in device manager (with or without a yellow
>>> exclamation mark), or a window coming up saying windows 98 found new
>>> hardware (and you could then point to where the drivers are located).
>>> (or maybe yellow exclamation mark and that window). I am suprised
>>> you get neither.. You really need one of those screens in order to
>>> point windows to the driver.
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>> It does not show up at all.
>> I am pretty sure the card is 'dead'
>>
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>>> (you could right click an inf and choose install, but that's a real
>>> long shot, and isn't always as effective)
>>>
>>> This site goes through installing a network card in windows 98
>>> http://www.mcgill.ca/ncs/products/so...king/pc/steps/
>>>
>>> Here, they got the "add new hardware" detection window up by doing to
>>>
>>> ctrl panel....Add new hardware
>>>
>>> Does that detect your network card (asking you for a driver)? If so,
>>> then great.
>>>
>>> It may be that the popup saying disconnected/connected, is a sign that
>>> it is somewhat recognised... So is odd that it is not in device
>>> manager.
>>>
>>> That link
>>> http://www.mcgill.ca/ncs/products/so...king/pc/steps/
>>> mentions something else though..
>>>
>>> And I can see another route to "adding your network adaptor" ,
>>> including installing the driver..
>>>
>>> ctrl panel....network
>>>
>>> now , according to them, it should list
>>> TCP/IP, Client for Microsoft Networks, the Ethernet adapter card and
>>> NetBEUI.
>>>
>>> If any of those are not listed. e.g. no ethernet adaptor listed.
>>>
>>> Click Add,
>>> and then it asks you to choose Client,Adaptor,Protocol,Service
>>>
>>> They go through adding the Netbeui service. You might want to do that
>>> if it isn't installed.
>>>
>>> But if your ethernet card/adaptor is not installed. Then choose
>>> Adaptor. And then maybe you will be able to point it to drivers for
>>> your card.
>>>
>>> It is a bit of a shot in the dark.. But it's something to try.
>>>
>>> And, since I just noticed,you say that you did ctrl panel...network
>>> and it listed your card twice and not the exact model number.
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>> No the card does not come up twice in the device manager.
>> That thing comes up twice else where under a protocol
>> like tcp/ip or something. I think it refers to software rather
>> than hardware.
It was in network/configuration.
There is a green thing with a P saying "Realtek RTL8129 PCI Fast Etthernet
Then below that
TCP/IP -> Realtek RTL8129 PCI Fast Etthernet
It is 8139 anyway.
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>>> I suggest that may be why you get the connect/disconnect thing
>>> working, but not much else.. And things are strange.
>>>
>>> Try removing the network adaptor. Both entries.
>>> So detection comes up again. And point it to the correct drivers.
>>> Download the right drivers.
>>> Or, instead of removing them, go to their properties if possible, and
>>> point to the right drivers.
>>>
>>> You don't want them coming up for the wrong model if in your situation
>>> of it not working. The drivers for the wrong model, which is what you
>>> have, are a suspect.
>>> It may be that windows autodetected it like that - wrongly. So remove
>>> them, and instead of letting windows choose the driver for you. You
>>> tell windows what driver to install.
>>>
>>> Download the right driver.
>>>
>>> Google the model number of your network card. And/Or go to the network
>>> card manufacturer website (realtek). And get the drivers for that
>>> particular model of network card.
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>> I also tried the card in my new machine and it was not list there
>> either, however there was a Realtek card listed but that is the one
>> which is onboard with the machine. It's same type RTL8139D
>> but it is listed even if I take the card out again as I would expect.
>>
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>> So I am 99% sure it is dead. Although I am puzzeled as to
>> what killed it. Possibly connecting it to the other machine
>> via a none cross-over cable, but then the ehernet card iso that n the
>> other machine, this one is working fine, I am using ot now infact
>> to connect to my modem.
>>
>> Anyway thanks for those links they will come in useful because
>> I am going to but another card (two infact) they are only £6 a piece,
>> so that should help me install them. I did manager to do it myself before
>> but it was a struggle so a guide will help.
>> I had all sorts of trouble before, the windows firewall was blocking
>> me and it was not listing networked places, but I did get it working
>> eventually. Then I stopped using that machine for about a year and I
>> was surprised that networking was not working when I set it up
>> again recently.
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